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Sapphire 570 4GB Mini Elpida - strap 1750 - 1110/2040/-96mvgpu/30+target = 26,3-26,4 @ 164w on the wall = 169 USD newegg very nice


Your doing something wrong, I have this card at 29.5 MH @ 130 watts. Definitely the best bang for buck for the current 500 series line.
That is the one fan 570? and if yes what about temp and fan set pls?
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Tomorrow I will receive sapphire pulse rx570 4gb and rx580 8gb, i will compare with my rx570 4gb aorus and share result here Smiley
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Sapphire 570 4GB Mini Elpida - strap 1750 - 1110/2040/-96mvgpu/30+target = 26,3-26,4 @ 164w on the wall = 169 USD newegg very nice


Your doing something wrong, I have this card at 29.5 MH @ 130 watts. Definitely the best bang for buck for the current 500 series line.
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Does the SAPPHIRE Pulse RX 580 8GB have Samsung memory?

Would love to know that too, otherwise I am about to pick up some gigabyte xtr aorus - they have samsung on it.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125961 I bought 5 of these @$229 and they are pretty good.

In my country there is a good swing in price between 4GB and 8GB of these - is the 4GB a major step down from 8GB in hash, or it more resale/future proofing?
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Does the SAPPHIRE Pulse RX 580 8GB have Samsung memory?

Would love to know that too, otherwise I am about to pick up some gigabyte xtr aorus - they have samsung on it.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125961 I bought 5 of these @$229 and they are pretty good.
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Does the SAPPHIRE Pulse RX 580 8GB have Samsung memory?

Would love to know that too, otherwise I am about to pick up some gigabyte xtr aorus - they have samsung on it.
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Does the SAPPHIRE Pulse RX 580 8GB have Samsung memory?
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@Xardas - So we stop having huge quote chains.

In my experience, and I admit it's a bit lacking, the 4gb 470's are overall more power efficient than the 4gb 480's. I've never tried an 8gb card, so maybe what you're saying holds true for the 8gb versions. I understand what you're saying, and logically it does make sense, but in my experience right now this is what I have. I can get more concrete numbers tonight if you would like when I'm home.
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Do the 5 series card's drivers have the Bios check on them? And if so, do they freak out if all you do is a simple strap mod on the bios? Trying to buy some more cards, and 570's seem like the best bet at this point, but trying to go around the bios check is going to be a pain.
I have had no problem with bios checks. I've vbios modded over 20 cards and run the latest drivers without issue. I do however disagree with your 570 assumption, but in the post just above I asked for tested numbers. 480 power efficiency and slightly higher hash more than paid for the extra cost versus the cheaper 470's.

Currently I have 470's and 480's running, all 4gb versions of the cards, and MOST of my 470's are more efficient in a hash/watt ratio than my 480's, I do have a couple 470's that just pull massive amounts of power for seemingly no reason. I was assuming the same would be said with that 470-570 since it's just a rebrand.

Also you're saying you have 5 series cards working fine with a modded bios on the latest drivers?
I don't buy 4gb cards, for nothing more than resale value, that is insane. Yes, search my posts in this thread. I listed the cards I bought and all were modded and use the latest drivers. Not that I'm found of AMD's latest and greatest driver attempts, but the new cards won't work with older drivers.

Found the posts you were referencing, so it looks good. If only there was a way to get 6 cards working right now.

In regards to the whole 570-580 4-8, I guess it matters more about what individual needs are. I have a high power cost, so mining with the most efficient card/setting is the biggest deal for me. I understand what you mean about resale. The 8gb cards will sell better than the 4gb ones for sure.
The 480's are more power efficient than the 470's, same should hold true for the 5xx versions. 8gb is more efficient by a larger margin than a 4gb. A 470 is basically a 480 detuned with less efficient cheaper parts. It has no hope of attaining the same power efficiency rating. That is like choking a v-8 with a single barrel carb and expecting it to get higher mileage because the small carb can process less fuel. It doesn't work that way. The cards are tuned for max efficiency using the best parts available. Replacing those high efficiency parts with cheap knock-off don't raise efficiency, they lower it.
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Do the 5 series card's drivers have the Bios check on them? And if so, do they freak out if all you do is a simple strap mod on the bios? Trying to buy some more cards, and 570's seem like the best bet at this point, but trying to go around the bios check is going to be a pain.
I have had no problem with bios checks. I've vbios modded over 20 cards and run the latest drivers without issue. I do however disagree with your 570 assumption, but in the post just above I asked for tested numbers. 480 power efficiency and slightly higher hash more than paid for the extra cost versus the cheaper 470's.

Currently I have 470's and 480's running, all 4gb versions of the cards, and MOST of my 470's are more efficient in a hash/watt ratio than my 480's, I do have a couple 470's that just pull massive amounts of power for seemingly no reason. I was assuming the same would be said with that 470-570 since it's just a rebrand.

Also you're saying you have 5 series cards working fine with a modded bios on the latest drivers?
I don't buy 4gb cards, for nothing more than resale value, that is insane. Yes, search my posts in this thread. I listed the cards I bought and all were modded and use the latest drivers. Not that I'm found of AMD's latest and greatest driver attempts, but the new cards won't work with older drivers.

Found the posts you were referencing, so it looks good. If only there was a way to get 6 cards working right now.

In regards to the whole 570-580 4-8, I guess it matters more about what individual needs are. I have a high power cost, so mining with the most efficient card/setting is the biggest deal for me. I understand what you mean about resale. The 8gb cards will sell better than the 4gb ones for sure.
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Do the 5 series card's drivers have the Bios check on them? And if so, do they freak out if all you do is a simple strap mod on the bios? Trying to buy some more cards, and 570's seem like the best bet at this point, but trying to go around the bios check is going to be a pain.
I have had no problem with bios checks. I've vbios modded over 20 cards and run the latest drivers without issue. I do however disagree with your 570 assumption, but in the post just above I asked for tested numbers. 480 power efficiency and slightly higher hash more than paid for the extra cost versus the cheaper 470's.

Currently I have 470's and 480's running, all 4gb versions of the cards, and MOST of my 470's are more efficient in a hash/watt ratio than my 480's, I do have a couple 470's that just pull massive amounts of power for seemingly no reason. I was assuming the same would be said with that 470-570 since it's just a rebrand.

Also you're saying you have 5 series cards working fine with a modded bios on the latest drivers?
I don't buy 4gb cards, for nothing more than resale value, that is insane. Yes, search my posts in this thread. I listed the cards I bought and all were modded and use the latest drivers. Not that I'm found of AMD's latest and greatest driver attempts, but the new cards won't work with older drivers.
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Do the 5 series card's drivers have the Bios check on them? And if so, do they freak out if all you do is a simple strap mod on the bios? Trying to buy some more cards, and 570's seem like the best bet at this point, but trying to go around the bios check is going to be a pain.
I have had no problem with bios checks. I've vbios modded over 20 cards and run the latest drivers without issue. I do however disagree with your 570 assumption, but in the post just above I asked for tested numbers. 480 power efficiency and slightly higher hash more than paid for the extra cost versus the cheaper 470's.

Currently I have 470's and 480's running, all 4gb versions of the cards, and MOST of my 470's are more efficient in a hash/watt ratio than my 480's, I do have a couple 470's that just pull massive amounts of power for seemingly no reason. I was assuming the same would be said with that 470-570 since it's just a rebrand.

Also you're saying you have 5 series cards working fine with a modded bios on the latest drivers?
hero member
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Do the 5 series card's drivers have the Bios check on them? And if so, do they freak out if all you do is a simple strap mod on the bios? Trying to buy some more cards, and 570's seem like the best bet at this point, but trying to go around the bios check is going to be a pain.
I have had no problem with bios checks. I've vbios modded over 20 cards and run the latest drivers without issue. I do however disagree with your 570 assumption, but in the post just above I asked for tested numbers. 480 power efficiency and slightly higher hash more than paid for the extra cost versus the cheaper 470's.
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Do the 5 series card's drivers have the Bios check on them? And if so, do they freak out if all you do is a simple strap mod on the bios? Trying to buy some more cards, and 570's seem like the best bet at this point, but trying to go around the bios check is going to be a pain.
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I've tried to read as much about these new cards as I can, but health reasons prevent me from being thorough(recent double heart by-pass surgery).

At this point, what cards seem to be the best bang for the buck? Which are getting the best modded results for dual mining. Earlier I gave my initial results on cards I bought day one, but am curious what cards have turned out to be better than others.............for example in 4xx cards the Sapphires were the best(debatable whether 470 or 480 was best for the buck.)
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so sad the 470's are overpriced now Sad guess gotta pick 5xx's
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those wattage figures seem crazy high for non dual mining , maybe lower the core and mem ,mem should be no higer than 2050

The heck you mean mem shouldnt be higher than any value? Eth rate is almost directly proportional to memclock adjustments, crank that shit up! 1MH/s Eth pays for ~30W of power, go nuts.
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A few GPU tests Sapphire 5xx. A few successes, but one problem.

I use:

Asus Z270F Strix - Without any problems, 7 GPUs work or MSI Z270-A Pro 6 GPU ready, I have tried, I currently operate about 10 Rigs without problem (RX 4xx)

PolarisEditor by jaschaknack - https://github.com/jaschaknack/PolarisBiosEditor/tree/110aa3a5a0aeafe16bb0a96b53583e7e8e77999b
SRBPolaris - BIOS editor
AtiFlash 2,74
atikmdag-patcher-1.4.5
Wattool o.92 does not function


Sapphire 570 4GB Nitro+ Hynix - strap 1750 - 1100/2050/-96mv-gpu/+20powertarget = 29,3MHs @ cca 156 on the wall

Sapphire 570 8GB Nitro+ Hynix - Strap 1750 - 1100/2100/-96mvgpu/+30powertarget = 29,6MHs

Sapphire 570 4GB Pulse Elpida - strap 1750 - 1100/1910/-96mv-gpu/+30powertarget = 24MHs @ cca 150-160 on the wall

Sapphire 580 8 GB Pulse Hynix - strap 1750 - 1100/2150/-96mv-gpu/+30powetarget = 27,3MHs @ Here I do not know exactly, a little more than 570, No more than 170

Sapphire 570 4GB Mini Elpida - strap 1750 - 1110/2040/-96mvgpu/30+target = 26,3-26,4 @ 164w on the wall = 169 USD newegg very nice

Sapphire 580 8GB Nitro+ - Hynix - Strap 1750 - 1100/2200/-96mvGPU/50powertarget = 27,8MHs


Hynix on 570 is better then Hynix on 580. Hynix on 570 timing 7777 @ 1750 but 580 hynix 999 @ 1750 but i have to check this because the problem is two different time sets 1: 1750 and 2: 1750 each for another set of memories.


This is my tests, But I have a little problem. The signature for the modified bios driver is ok. But it does not work at the same time 570 with 580 on one motherboard.

If the 4x 570 works and re-sign the driver, the 580 runs but does not run 570.

Simply, it works either it or it. It does not work together.

Does anyone have any advice or idea?

Maybe a new Atipatcher?

These numbers raise a few eyebrows... Can you please perhaps check the memory markings physically on the following cards and maybe take photos of the numbers:

Sapphire 580 8GB Nitro+ - Hynix
Sapphire 580 8 GB Pulse - Hynix
Sapphire 570 4GB Pulse - Elpida
Sapphire 570 4GB Mini - Elpida

Sapphire 580 8GB Nitro+ - Hynix - Strap 1750 - 1100/2200/-96mvGPU/50powertarget = 27,8MHs

A simple copy of the 1750 strap and I got up to 29.6 MHs in dual mode DCR with ver 9.3 at defualt DCRI - memory frequency was 2130 MHz and didn't even try pushing higher but I think it would go to 2200 for above 30 MHs.

So you have some errors in those numbers mate. Please redo your tests. Possibly you didn't edit the right timings so your scores are basically default timings with overclock Smiley Expect much more from the 580 8gb cards. Please also tell us if the RX 580 Pulse radiator is bigger in size compared to its predecessor the Nitro without the +...

those wattage figures seem crazy high for non dual mining , maybe lower the core and mem ,mem should be no higer than 2050
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Yes now we can see Smiley but many are not mentioning the needed info


Yeah, I guess I should have stated it.  So it is a 4Gb. 
And this test rig of mine is powered by a shitty Corsair 750W bronse PSU, so the power figures would be slightly better with a gold PSU.  Mobo draws ~40W idle.


when changing from 470 to 570 have to change the power supply 750 watts?

So far as I can, in terms of power, the 570 uses the same or slightly less power than the 470 at the same core frequency.
However, the 570 has one 8-pin and one 6-pin pcie power connector, whereas my Sapphire 470 Nitros have just one 8-pin
power connector.  So there will be more cables running between your PSU and GPUs.  So far I havent tested if the 570 will work ok with just the 8-pin connector connected.  When I get time I will test if it is possible to run the gpu with just the 8-pin power connected.

I run my 580's with just 1 8-pin. 6 of them
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I see talk about 570, anyone have word on getting 6 rx580s to work on either win10 or Ubuntu?

I heard 6 gpu work fine on ubuntu

Thanks, I have 6 RX580 coming in a few days.  Guess I will load up ubuntu for them.
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