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Quote from: Die_empty on March 08, 2023, 05:40:49 AM

The recent kidnapping of four Americans exposed me to the medical tourism going on in America. I have always thought that the US was a perfect country has very functional health, economic, and political systems. I thought all Americans have access to cheap and quality medical services until I read that over one million Americans go on medical tourism in Mexico yearly.

And the reason why some of them choose Mexico was because of its quality and low cost. These medical tourists are aware that it is risky to do to some parts of Mexico, but they still go there because they want to cut costs.
Is there any other reason why Americans go to Mexico for medical?

America is a large country, if you find people who go to Mexico for treatment, of course we also need to know the location where these residents live. If they live at the border of course it is better to go to Mexico for treatment to reduce costs even if they have to pay passport and visa fees. This is not a quality problem, but it is very influential on the costs they have to spend. Sometimes high quality also cannot reach the ability of the community in general.

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Quote from: zasad@ on March 26, 2023, 07:08:15 AM

Not all people in America have full health insurance that covers all illnesses. If the insurance does not help, then people are treated in the second country, where it is cheaper. For example, in Russia, in a good private clinic, you can cure caries with a dental filling for 140 dollars. Very high quality medicine. If treated in a state clinic, the service will cost 30-40 dollars, but this is not the best quality.
In Uzbekistan it is possible to cure teeth, but for the same operation you will pay 50-70 dollars instead of 140.

But then they go to mexico - unless it is a big surgery they have to pay hotel expense and the airfare or the travel expense as well.
So in both the case they are paying good money.
I can't comment on it because I am not sure about medical facility in Mexico

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Not all people in America have full health insurance that covers all illnesses. If the insurance does not help, then people are treated in the second country, where it is cheaper. For example, in Russia, in a good private clinic, you can cure caries with a dental filling for 140 dollars. Very high quality medicine. If treated in a state clinic, the service will cost 30-40 dollars, but this is not the best quality.
In Uzbekistan it is possible to cure teeth, but for the same operation you will pay 50-70 dollars instead of 140.

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Quote from: Gyfts on March 08, 2023, 09:16:13 AM

Just as a side note -- I'd wait for more information on this before we call medical tourism in Mexico dangerous. Seems odd Mexican cartels would target random U.S. citizens who were on their way for a cosmetic procedure. It's possible they were complicit in nefarious activities.

I don't know a whole lot about how the Mexican cartels operate (aside from their extreme brutality), but I'd have to assume that killing random tourists from the US would bring unwanted attention to them from law enforcement, and as bold as they are that's something they wouldn't do. Nor would they really have a reason to kill random tourists who pose no threat to them whatsoever.

By the way OP, I don't follow the news and thus don't know anything about what happened. Perhaps linking to a source to the incident you're referencing would help ignoramusses like me (derp) understand things better without having to google-ize it.

And as to your question, the only thing I've heard is that folks from the US go there who want very odd surgeries that American doctors won't perform because of ethical or other reasons. I don't know how common it is. I think way more Americans go there for the drugs that are available over the counter. Viva la Mexican pharmacies!

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Quote from: Die_empty on March 08, 2023, 05:40:49 AM

The recent kidnapping of four Americans exposed me to the medical tourism going on in America. I have always thought that the US was a perfect country has very functional health, economic, and political systems. I thought all Americans have access to cheap and quality medical services until I read that over one million Americans go on medical tourism in Mexico yearly.

And the reason why some of them choose Mexico was because of its quality and low cost. These medical tourists are aware that it is risky to do to some parts of Mexico, but they still go there because they want to cut costs.
Is there any other reason why Americans go to Mexico for medical?

and there is no problem if they go there - everyone look for the option where they can save some extra money
however in my case - I am so dumb in realising that I have lost so much money due to my stupidity and trusting other. I seriously regret and I will keep doing that for the rest of my life

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Access to specialized procedures: Some medical procedures are not available or are very expensive in the United States. For example, some dental procedures or certain types of surgeries may not be covered by insurance, or may be too expensive for some people to afford. In Mexico, these procedures may be more accessible and affordable.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on March 21, 2023, 03:09:10 PM

They go to Canada as well if they are closer to that border, basically they can travel to Europe, get the medication they need or surgery they need, and go back to USA and they would still be fine. That is the end result of being the nation that spends the most money on healthcare and still being worse than almost anyone else in the world.

You can claim whatever you want for the reason, but the reason is that politicians do not want to fix it since it's a too big of a trouble to tackle. There are few like Bernie, but people never vote for those people so it ended up being something terrible for them like this, hence they will keep traveling for many more decades until they finally elect someone who will fix it.

People do things which is beneficial to them. And there is no harm in doing that - saving some extra buck
There are many local who does this in our country too.
They don't get their haircut abroad. They get their dental treatment when they come back for vacation.

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They go to Canada as well if they are closer to that border, basically they can travel to Europe, get the medication they need or surgery they need, and go back to USA and they would still be fine. That is the end result of being the nation that spends the most money on healthcare and still being worse than almost anyone else in the world.

You can claim whatever you want for the reason, but the reason is that politicians do not want to fix it since it's a too big of a trouble to tackle. There are few like Bernie, but people never vote for those people so it ended up being something terrible for them like this, hence they will keep traveling for many more decades until they finally elect someone who will fix it.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on March 18, 2023, 03:20:11 PM

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Quote from: Die_empty on March 08, 2023, 05:40:49 AM

I thought all Americans have access to cheap and quality medical services until I read that over one million Americans go on medical tourism in Mexico yearly.

Americans don't have universal health care but even if they did, that doesn't mean that certain percentage of wouldn't go to Mexico or other cheaper countries and same thing happens all over the world.

For example, here in Croatia we have decent universal health care but if you want to do something faster and can't wait, you go to private clinics and then some people go to neighbouring countries like Serbia that have lower standard so its cheaper to do certain stuff there like teeth implants, plastic surgeries, eye related procedures etc. And in the same way people from more developed countries come to Croatia to do their medical procedures because we are cheaper than Austria/Switzerland etc but still good.

For a while I thought they did, Obamacare was something that have been in talks during 2014-2015 and frankly speaking a relative of mine was able to receive its benefits too. I do not know what happened after that however. In any case, the lack of a universal healthcare system in America is partly (and correct me if I'm wrong with this), a product of the capitalist society that bit them in the ass hard. Like insurance companies would most often mess them up with costs and stiff off of absolving hospital bills in order to pocket the client's money. Another would be the fact that since there's a lot of monopoly in the country, companies could easily jack the prices of all their products and services. One good example is the impossible markup that hospitals impose on people's bills, i kid you not tylenol when administered in the hospital will cost more than if you'd just bought it yourself from the drug store.

I dont find any harm in going to the other places if you think you can save some money and get good services in return
In my country health care is good but once I got a treatment from Bangkok and I wish if I could take my mother there to get that treatment

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Quote from: Rikafip on March 08, 2023, 06:30:11 AM

Quote from: Die_empty on March 08, 2023, 05:40:49 AM

I thought all Americans have access to cheap and quality medical services until I read that over one million Americans go on medical tourism in Mexico yearly.

Americans don't have universal health care but even if they did, that doesn't mean that certain percentage of wouldn't go to Mexico or other cheaper countries and same thing happens all over the world.

For example, here in Croatia we have decent universal health care but if you want to do something faster and can't wait, you go to private clinics and then some people go to neighbouring countries like Serbia that have lower standard so its cheaper to do certain stuff there like teeth implants, plastic surgeries, eye related procedures etc. And in the same way people from more developed countries come to Croatia to do their medical procedures because we are cheaper than Austria/Switzerland etc but still good.

For a while I thought they did, Obamacare was something that have been in talks during 2014-2015 and frankly speaking a relative of mine was able to receive its benefits too. I do not know what happened after that however. In any case, the lack of a universal healthcare system in America is partly (and correct me if I'm wrong with this), a product of the capitalist society that bit them in the ass hard. Like insurance companies would most often mess them up with costs and stiff off of absolving hospital bills in order to pocket the client's money. Another would be the fact that since there's a lot of monopoly in the country, companies could easily jack the prices of all their products and services. One good example is the impossible markup that hospitals impose on people's bills, i kid you not tylenol when administered in the hospital will cost more than if you'd just bought it yourself from the drug store.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on March 13, 2023, 07:55:25 PM

Sadly as the wealthiest nation in the world our healthcare coverage is ranked somewhere in the teens I believe (by world health organizations) when it comes to best coverage. We arguably have the best hospitals and hospital technology, but when it comes to coverage, it's a corrupt system that only seems to be getting worse.

To put thing in perspective I've worked for Fortune 500 and even Fortune 100 companies in my last 3 positions over the past decade or so. My healthcare coverage, at these massively wealthy financial institutions, has progressively gotten more expensive and worse as time has gone on. It infuriates me. So yes this is why so many go over seas for procedures. Also keep in mind "elective" procedures often get little to no help from insurance coverage, as it's not considered necessary to maintain ones health.

I think its everywhere
Health care system are getting so much money from the pockets of the people.
And when people find ways - they go there to get their medical treatment

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on March 13, 2023, 07:55:25 PM

Sadly as the wealthiest nation in the world our healthcare coverage is ranked somewhere in the teens I believe (by world health organizations) when it comes to best coverage. We arguably have the best hospitals and hospital technology, but when it comes to coverage, it's a corrupt system that only seems to be getting worse.

To put thing in perspective I've worked for Fortune 500 and even Fortune 100 companies in my last 3 positions over the past decade or so. My healthcare coverage, at these massively wealthy financial institutions, has progressively gotten more expensive and worse as time has gone on. It infuriates me. So yes this is why so many go over seas for procedures. Also keep in mind "elective" procedures often get little to no help from insurance coverage, as it's not considered necessary to maintain ones health.

there is no harm in going to the place where one can get good and cheap medial services
Most of the asian go to their hometown to do their medical treatment

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Sadly as the wealthiest nation in the world our healthcare coverage is ranked somewhere in the teens I believe (by world health organizations) when it comes to best coverage. We arguably have the best hospitals and hospital technology, but when it comes to coverage, it's a corrupt system that only seems to be getting worse.

To put thing in perspective I've worked for Fortune 500 and even Fortune 100 companies in my last 3 positions over the past decade or so. My healthcare coverage, at these massively wealthy financial institutions, has progressively gotten more expensive and worse as time has gone on. It infuriates me. So yes this is why so many go over seas for procedures. Also keep in mind "elective" procedures often get little to no help from insurance coverage, as it's not considered necessary to maintain ones health.

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I wouldn’t blame the Americans. They have a health system that prioritizes those who can pay compared to those who cannot. When I compare the prices of a lot of basic health needs in the US here in our country, I can’t help but think that I’m still somewhat blessed to be here and receive all of those simple medical and dental care without paying a fortune for them. The quality is almost the same for the two countries, and the only difference is the technology that is being used and that’s it. If I’m an American and I will have to pay so much for healthcare, might as well fly outside the country and be treated there while getting more for my money. Such a flawed country with healthcare, really.

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Yes the US healthcare is a big mess. Its one of the worst and most expensive health care out there. And its common sense why many go to Mexico for some treatments. In Canada since we got health coverage we generally have people going to Mexico for dental work, especially implants.

Its maybe 1/3rd of the cost even with the flight plus hotels compared to what it costs here. So they are guides and everything giving you steps on how to go to Mexico to get the procedures done. Since the USA doesn't have health coverage, obviously many go there for general health issues. Even having a baby at the hospital in USA is crazy expensive.

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This is likewise with any third world countries perhaps with education, just to share. I live on a third world country and I saw how foreign individuals or students migrated here in my country. I had a chance asking one group of foreign students and they had the same answer to why they chose my country for them to finish their studies, and that is because education costs less. And I assume same thing goes with medical needs of them, by moving onto other countries for treatment. It would be fine doing so , i guess, if the professional they are seeking, is available on the country they are planning to move in. It is a fact in the first place that medicine or medical treatments are expensive on bigger countries and not all people could afford using their wealth for that matter if there is an alternative way.

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Each and every country have more economic issues, but very few countries expose is to the outer world. When it comes to America, we can see more number of people suffering and unable to pay medical insurance. In such a situation people moving to Mexico for medical needs is not at all a big thing. Even my country hospitals have got separate section for Foreigners, mostly people from Island nations like Maldives reach my country.

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Quote from: Die_empty on March 08, 2023, 05:40:49 AM

The recent kidnapping of four Americans exposed me to the medical tourism going on in America. I have always thought that the US was a perfect country has very functional health, economic, and political systems. I thought all Americans have access to cheap and quality medical services until I read that over one million Americans go on medical tourism in Mexico yearly.

And the reason why some of them choose Mexico was because of its quality and low cost. These medical tourists are aware that it is risky to do to some parts of Mexico, but they still go there because they want to cut costs.
Is there any other reason why Americans go to Mexico for medical?

Medical tourism is not new, and it's widespread! Sometimes it's cheaper but in some cases, people choose other countries with "more flexible laws"... simply said you can get any kind of medical intervention if you have money. In the past years, there's been a big drama in Poland and new regulations about abortion, and girls/women go to nearby countries for that.

Not so long ago, a young boy died on the operating table, and a woman had complications after the operation, when she returned to Serbia, they tried to save her, but unfortunately, she also passed away. They decided to be treated in Turkey, through some agencies that promised them the best care at much more affordable prices. Their families are trying to find some justice, but it's so complicated according to their statements that I had the opportunity to read.

Definitely, it's a hard decision to make, but when people are short on money and they desperately need/want some medical intervention choosing the risky path is sometimes the only path.

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Quote from: Vinaa77 on March 13, 2023, 01:38:35 PM

Quote from: Die_empty on March 08, 2023, 05:40:49 AM

The recent kidnapping of four Americans exposed me to the medical tourism going on in America. I have always thought that the US was a perfect country has very functional health, economic, and political systems. I thought all Americans have access to cheap and quality medical services until I read that over one million Americans go on medical tourism in Mexico yearly.

And the reason why some of them choose Mexico was because of its quality and low cost. These medical tourists are aware that it is risky to do to some parts of Mexico, but they still go there because they want to cut costs.
Is there any other reason why Americans go to Mexico for medical?

America is a superpower country with high economic power, so all medical needs or costs are also high. However, not all people have the economic capacity according to the standards in that country, so they choose to continue seeking treatment outside the area. In principle, all countries have poor people, but the poverty rate is measured by country. Maybe if we compare it with other countries, they might fall into the category of rich people.

Those who are american citizen - they have good medical facilities
For the one who are illegal they might look for the other options. So they would definitely look for the other option like going to Mexico for the cost cut.

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Quote from: Die_empty on March 08, 2023, 05:40:49 AM

The recent kidnapping of four Americans exposed me to the medical tourism going on in America. I have always thought that the US was a perfect country has very functional health, economic, and political systems. I thought all Americans have access to cheap and quality medical services until I read that over one million Americans go on medical tourism in Mexico yearly.

And the reason why some of them choose Mexico was because of its quality and low cost. These medical tourists are aware that it is risky to do to some parts of Mexico, but they still go there because they want to cut costs.
Is there any other reason why Americans go to Mexico for medical?

America is a superpower country with high economic power, so all medical needs or costs are also high. However, not all people have the economic capacity according to the standards in that country, so they choose to continue seeking treatment outside the area. In principle, all countries have poor people, but the poverty rate is measured by country. Maybe if we compare it with other countries, they might fall into the category of rich people.

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