Topic: AMHash1: Cost-Effective Mining Contract - page 41. (Read 304327 times)

Sorry, but this is naiv.

What do they communicate? And how do they verify companies to prevent scams? I have not seen one single DD-report they have done. What did they do when the SEC started their investigation against TAT?

Show me HOW they communicate. Show my HOW they verify companies. Show me WHO they are.

Probably entirely wrong, but I always assumed Havelock was TAT Investments, or at least a joint venture between TAT and others.

I would never blame havelock for this. They do their best to communicate with us and verify companies to prevent scams. But they could not have known what am hash would do. Most of us felt am hash was reliable due to who backed them.

It was a posting by TAT Investments. "Seems" comes from me for the transfer was never properly documented.

seems, rumors... But never a fact.

I dont agree. Havelock is a simple exchange : they provide a way to buy / sell shares. They get payments from one company and put a part on customer's account, proportionally to shares owned.
They dont generate money, they dont generate shares.
If you dont understand that, then instead of buying shares from them, you should buy them from AMHash.

Right. And do you happen to know details about TAT?

On March 1, 2014, "TAT Investments" seems to have transferred control of the AM1, AM100, and SMG listings at HavelockInvestments.com to the direct control of Havelock Investments.

Anyway, from an early stage on, Havelock was in contact with AM or persons in the AM-business. The extent and quality of these contacts? I don't know.

Please, dont be a silly kid... Do you understand the investment of what your idea is asking ? Do you think anyone will be ready to wait 10 or 20 years to get back their money, without any guarantee that Bitcoin will still exist ?
Really, dont be a kid like Airwolf...

Actually, AM1 was started by and operated by TAT, not FC or AM.

Havelock IS part of this. There are several US corporations involved with Havelock. So it would be easy to file a legal complaint and name them as witness. This could lead to the situation that more light is shed into the background of Havelock and their dealings with FC. It is definitively easier than to file a lawsuit against someone who went missing.

I strongly disagree.

A lot of people have invested in Havelock without knowing who is behind it. As an investor, I normally would like to know at least who is legally liable for the money I give them. It seems as if this basic question never was asked in connection with Havelock. If you meet someone on the street who tells you to that you get an annual yield of 52% on every dime you give him: You would give him a lot of your money without knowing who he is? I doubt it. In the Internet/Bitcoin-world, just exactly this happened.

From the very beginning on, Havelock Investments claimed to sell funds in mining equipment and mining. And they claimed to have invested or partnered with several companies, of which some have since just stopped their business. Again: Who has ever done a DD into these companies?

To me it seems as if Havelock is just one person - and until now, I haven't seen anybody who came forward and said: "Yes, it is Jim Smith from here or there".

Then came the AM1 fund. Havelock MUST have contact with Friedcat at this time, and in the documents, a lot of companies appear which can not be located. There was, for example, an investment company. I contacted them, however, the manager didn't know anything about Havelock or about AM-shares. So it seems as if something was seriously wrong from the very beginning.

However, there MUST be contracts between Friedcat and Havelock. And Havelock MUST have more details. Why do they not disclose this? We are not talking about a couple of dimes. We are talking about serious money. There are people who depend on this.

If an investment company - and I see Havelock as such - is doing business, they normally do some DD. Unless they know the person they are dealing with so well that they don't need it. Havelock always wrote about "Friedcat" - not about a company, not about a real person they know, they called "Friedcat" "Friedcat". Would ANY legit investment company do a contract with an online alias? If yes, this company is in my opinion not very trustworthy.

Furthermore: Any investment company I know wouldn't do any business without securing the deal. How was the deal with Friedcat secured? And how did they communicate?

If you do your research, you'll see strong ties between Havelock and the online gambling industry. Believe me: This industry has ties to some shady people.

So to summarize it: From early on, Havelock - which I consider a scam - was dealing with Friedcat. From what I understand, Friedcat seems to be a honest person (until proved different). Friedcat has disappeared. Mining equipment has disappeard. An office has been emptied. And nobody at Havelock steps forward and documents any effort they have done? This is worrying me, frankly.

I haven't any investment in Havelock's funds or any dealings with Friedcat. But I know it's shit when I smell it.

So yes: Havelock has, in my opinion, a lot to do with this case.

it might be blunt but did anyone try to call this number?

Airwolf: you after this details?

 Name: jian xie
 Organization: rockxie
 Street: liling lisan road 195
 City: chang sha shi
 State/Province: hu nan
 Postal Code: 20000
 Country: CN
 Phone: +86.18657367786

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Registrant Country: CN
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Objecting my statements for the sake of objection is kinda pointless.

We are not receiving any payments at havelock, no explanation about this either.

Each party including Havelock is responsible, has and still are neglecting their responsibilities.

There's still no satisfying communication from any of them.  

In ideal world... Can you imagine possible obstructions in joining legal actions? Hiding info about the fraud is a lot weaker than being a fraudster. Secondly where would you file a case against Havelock Panama? Canada? how would you bond it with China court? There is no point in dragging havelock into it. If they have stolen the investments and actives kept on their wallets than yes would make sense.

Focus on AsicMiner board...

I might be blunt here but I think that AM is not making a run, as their site is up they calculate the dividends and if they have decided that they are not able to fix it none of that would be happening. The only question is are they even able to fix it? Every day without the hashrate makes overdue dividends even higher, it is circa 3500 USD a day. not mentioning asics required to  deploy 5 ph.

Now following all the bits and bobs about the collapse and putting it into time line... /OFC we may distrust misleading announcements but just trying to build a picture from pieces of crap/

25th of December - one of deployed by by Am mines gets emptied by robbers and AM looses 3PH+ worth of miners
FriedCat keeps this for himself with maintenance decoy /funny enough its the same day that hashie died/
Jan 2015 Fried Cad inform stake holders and Partners (Havelock) about the loss and promises to re-deploy farm, at this stage they decide to do the "holiday break" to have some elbow space with aggregating dividends

Feb 2015 Amhash stops (pauses ) dividends and havelock goes into 3 weeks maintenance

FC gets missing while transferring remaining of the 5ph farm and possibly deploy more hash power

The question is how much more miners got missing together with FriedCat If the plan was to redeploy stolen miners not informing the general public about the troubles, partial fractional mining etc. We may assume that FC has been planing on deploying evel larger than 5 ph mine in order to announce new AMHash IPO which would greatly help cash flow. (ponzi with hardware in hand)

The question is how much mining power in total Asic Miner has lost? If what I think is the case the damage to Am  is even greater than we think right now. It leaves me with 2 possible scenarios of further actions:

1 AM will honor its responsibility and as the do not shut down the sites and dont turn the engine off  they will pay out from balances and redeploy in due time /nahhhh
2 AM (the remaining board members) will do nothing, wash the hands using FC as "blame for all" and make sure he doesn't surface any soon

Or there is another option which would say that FC had some personal problems and big bills to pay and as much as 1 mln USD is not the money you run for leaving your family behind, it is enough to aid eg. medical expenses arisen. Now the nail: would anyone be able to confirm/deny info that FriedCat has been expecting his baby to be born? And there were some complications?

It is a long shot but it so in time line that  just can not ignore this signed msg from Am wallet on 9th of Feb:

18d006fe9bfe7eb8d04c149c6b897df8b6bea5cbb91120bf613d624b4e7e539d2015-02-09 01:53:47
3KBUuGko4H5ke7EVsq9B7PLK1c5Askdd7y
   3KgtbGgaX2ngstNpvyv7LwpHSweVeqGbpM $ 1,599,360.00
3KBUuGko4H5ke7EVsq9B7PLK1c5Askdd7y $ 367,318.62
$ -1,599,360.03
Public Note: Good afternoon! Your help is necessary. My wife has a problem with health, treatment is necessary (we expect a baby). If you have some unnecessary btc or satosh, please, help, we will rejoice any help.

Just a day before FC gets missing !!!!

To clarify you are receiving dividends paid into your Amhash account on www.amhash.com and that BTC is withdrawable immediately and not been held by Amhash on their website, if you can confirm yes or no? If yes can you confirm when payments resumed?
Because on Havelock we are receiving no Amhash1 dividend payouts and received nothing from 10th Feb..

Hi l3sny,

You are right about making the main legal focus Asicminer etc. But Havelock is also responsible in not providing valuable info at the right time and hiding it. After dealing with Asic and Rock, Havelock could be put on trial for protecting Amhash and helping the scam to be hidden.

Hiya flame102,

I see too much hyper emotion here at the moment.

"Amhash announced that our profits were guaranteed and shielded against risks."
I am seeing now, another payment to day into my AMhash account from AMhash.
There was one yesterday and another the day before and etc.

"Acceptable risks are", never spend or risk more than you can afford to lose.

Now, about the rest of what you have just written, I can not find anything to either verify or discredit the statements.

A lot of companies on this world play games with information, it sucks, but is hard to prove as being illegal.

In short, I see no legs to stand on.

"Do you advice to embrace scam?" I would never advise anyone to become involved in a known scam.
Let me see if I have this correct. You have probably invested in either AMhash or Havelock or both.
Did you advise anyone to invest in them as you were doing at the time?

"No one invests to get scammed, do you?"
Yes, just like you did!

I do not see any benefits in dragging havelock into this. First it is different jurisdiction than the main culprits. This is a major problem and will delay the whole legal process. It is much more difficult to do it in different countries, it is time consuming and creates many problems we cannot even predict at this stage. Apart from that it was not them who ran with the money and the hashrate. Havelock will not pay you a penny. I would definitely put havelock out of equation just for the practical reasons and focus on Asicminer, Rockminer, Amhash and Mr Rock Xie. If FC surfaces then of course he has to answer a few questions but now he is not present. And to be honest I am not sure if Asicminer and the others really want him ever to be found.

Amhash announced that our profits were guaranteed and shielded against risks.

Acceptable risks are things like; sudden increase of electricity price, share price fluctuations,
 difficulty increase, very low btc price, and natural disasters.
Not getting scammed by the company you invest.
If havelock tos says; you should be okay with scam, should we be okay with that?
Do you advice to embrace scam?
No one invests to get scammed, do you?

Havelock is responsible for hiding information from their customers, not announcing critical information timely.
Just like Amhash, Rockminer and Asicminer.
None of them seem to have even a healthy communication and relationship.
They all deny responsibility and act like they are not related to the issue.

Why do I get the feeling that you have not read the T.O.S. at Havelock.

When I read through it, I was under the impression that not a single person at Havelock is or can be held responsible or liable for anything that you may lose on the Havelock trading platform.

What is this, " but responsible anyway" bizo?

If I am missing something rather large, please do point it out.

P.S. @Airwolf, you mention several times CNN, I understand this to mean CableNewsNetwork.
Then after several posts of CNN it changed to CCN??
I understand CCN to mean CryptoCurrencyNews.
Which is it/ one, the other, or both?

P.P.S. Just checked my AMhash account, another dividend has been paid into my account balance today.
No, I have not attempted any withdrawal yet.