Topic: AMT users thread. - page 3. (Read 60118 times)

I thought it might be relevant to bring in some blast from the past facts to demonstrate that they have indeed attempted to deceive us more than once from the very beginning (I jumped on later on with a benefit of the doubt mentality and rightly caught shit for it). This link here is from the mirror site that catches most of the posts. The indiscretions are all covered here at least. Alternately they are mirrored on archive.org.

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/official-thread-amt.174485/page-2#post-3094049

Sock puppet? the username and some other interesting things jump out. like the On the level comment

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/official-thread-amt.174485/page-3#post-3099167

Some more stuff and this is just page 4 of the original AMT thread.

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/official-thread-amt.174485/page-4#post-3225645

Questions as to who the principles are. This clearly is important especially in retrospect now that we know that Gleb (Phin at the time) was right all along. Jim Brown was indeed an alias for another person who as of yet remains unrevealed conclusively. Altho we are certain the name is Joshua Zipkin's cousin Tyler Lummis (has a linkedin profile as well)

Cosnidering that we dont know the names of the other people involved, or at least the REAL names, only Joshua Zipkin has followed this pattern:

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/official-thread-amt.174485/page-5#post-3240861
"Cash. Grab.

1. Post pretty pics, get people to buy
2. Launder money from CC payments into bitcoin (good luck credit card companies getting that back)
3. Vanish.

I have demonstrated in other posts how he has done this in the most amateurish manner. And I do have the background and credentials to do financial audits and forensics. Tracing the BTC he moved was simple." quoted from above link

And again the favortism that they loved to play:

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/official-thread-amt.174485/page-6#post-3265911
"Thanks for staying positive brother, we take care of the guys that support us."
AMT_miners, Nov 1, 2013

This goes perfectly in line with all the other crap they have said and the naughty and nice list.

That said I will stop here. Its all rehashing old stuff. BUT relevant. The original thread contains LOADS of stuff AMT_miners posted and cannot take back.

Oh and for some added proof...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3800620 This is what AMT stated would happen with their 1.2Ths machines. The delivery estimate AMT stated. Joshua Zipkin of course.  

The below post was particularly interesting to read considering their actions in retrospect.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3813699
AMT_Miners December 03, 2013, 07:48:02 PM
"IF ANYONE IS EVEN CONSIDERING ORDERING/BUYING A MINER OFF EBAY OR THIS FORUM AND THAT PERSON HAS CLAIMED TO PURCHASE AN AMT MINER OR IS OFFERING TO SELL A PRE-ORDERED MINER NEEDS TO VERIFY IT DIRECTLY WITH US AT AMT.  CUSTOMER IDENTITY PROTECTION IS ONE THING BUT WE ARE NOT WE'RE TO LET PEOPLE GET ROBBED BY OTHER PEOPLE."

Well who here has had their identity leaked by AMT? I know I was one of those people. Hell my address, and all my other pertinents they had were posted for all to see along with false claims that I worked for the government doing classified work. Anyone else?

Someone could technically use a TV to generate income, in the manner that they use it for teleconferencing....so AMT's logic is retarded. Computers normal computers can be used for mining too (yes yes I know about the efficiency, but fact is they can still mine no matter how slow they do it) so the AMT argument falls on its face. Or at least should. These are computers at the end of the day. They serve a specific function.

Legally I would think being defined as a 'Consumer' depends on the Plaintiffs:  Mainly, are they registered as a corp or other commercial entity? Is the cost of the miner(s) expensable to that entity? If not then they are for personal use and fall under the Consumer Protection laws.

Just because miners generate income is irrelevant. If you install solar/wind/hydro/whatever alternative energy to your home and 'sell back' any excess to the power company that gear is also generating income. And, said equipment is considered non-commercial ergo - personal and falling under CPL.

Looks like zipkin in addition to not paying rent he owed in the past has decided to continue his winning ways by not paying his Lawyers.  Here's some court docs to keep you all busy.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_er85osA9tfRnRwZFVyREo0eFk/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_er85osA9tfeEVvdHhqR0RmUm8/view?usp=sharing

Remember AMT says you aren't consumers, lets see what the judge thinks.

folks... please if you have any email header information you are willing to share please send it to opieum. he is working very hard to help us make AMT miners pay for their indiscretions.

If anyone got ANY emails from AMT at any time, can you please send me the headers? I dont need the message content, just the headers. If you dont know what that means check this link and add your email service or application
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=getting%20message%20headers

getting message headers gmail
getting message headers outlook
etc.

As I said I don't need the message, just the information there. This is something to benefit us down the road. I can't go into specifics at this time due to the sensitivity of it. But it will become clear in time. 

Regards

It is a video that deserves to be immortalized with the irony of its content.

 

 

 

 

yep, this saga continues. i wish i could say joshua zipkin came to his senses and ceased defrauding folks of hard earned money but... you know joshua zipkin and you know AMT miners. he's a complete scum bag. he lacks any understanding of how to conduct a legitimate business. this roller coaster ride will continue all through out next year. so long as i make zipkin pay for his legal defense i will continue to smile and fight this asshole until the end.

hey josh - merry christmas my jewish friend i have not forgotten you buddy.

Yea its still going on. New developments in the other threads. Wallet tracking also. Trying to get email headers from people who got emails from AMT. Got any?

This is still going on? I figured one of you guys would have hunted him down and eaten him by now.

Did anyone download the mountain view video? Looks like they took it private.

I am requesting anyone who has RECEIVED emails from AMT, if you could please send me the headers for the emails. If you are unfamiliar with that please see this article
http://lifehacker.com/how-can-i-find-out-where-an-email-really-came-from-1190061668

I don't need the content of the message just the headers themselves. This will be useful for various purposes in all this. Ideally I would recommend using the web service itself instead of a client like outlook where possible. Any information will be appreciated. Please PM it to me directly. Once there are results you will understand the purpose for this.

That connection could be made for sure. But legally I doubt much would happen to dear old dad.

I still say that Joshua Zipkin's dad, Harry Zachariah Zipkin, was in on the AMT scam from the get-go, for they both shared AMT's original office address since 2006, and AMT's last office was behind and attached to the Masonic Temple where both of them were members. Janette Weiss, Harry's second wife, works at or owns an entity across the street from AMT's last address, even signing for RMA parcels. To WHIT & WHATNUT, Harrison Z. Zipkin is known on the web as some sort a scammer himself.

Joshua "Alexander the Great Scammer" Zipkin's days are numbered, you can bet your last satoshi on that.

That all said, the Judge's deliberate disregard to AMT Joshua Zipkin's sales records, constitutes a legal middle finger. It demonstrates that the information is not reliable (to me just means its a legal fuck you to AMT). And it's a safe bet the class will be certified. Clearly this case is going to take time. But its going to happen. IF BFL could not beat their case AMT certainly will not. Not to mention this could also be a setup for a criminal case later on as well as other items will come out in the middle of this.

I  respectfully disagree with Casiriahmine.

We a putative class but not a certified class yet.

In a footnote in the order denying the dismissal the court says, "We will not parse the issue of class certification at this time because the question of whether a
class is ultimately certifiable is premature when evaluating a motion to dismiss."

But this is a step in the right direction.

This is excellent news. I imagine after all this is done, law enforcement will have their piece in all this as well. There is a fair bit of action that mirrors much of BFL's actions as well here. Might also explain his rather silent nature...OR he really did get arrested as suspected over those Silk Road purchases tracked. The skype chats also show his intent as well.


Notable bit at the end:

"Taking Plaintiffs’ claims as a whole, we conclude that Defendants have failed to show to
a legal certainty that Plaintiffs cannot recover the requisite amount in this case. We will not
explore Defendants’ arguments about the contractual limitations on liability, the basis for
recovery of lost profits, or the applicability of Pennsylvania state consumer protection law to the
putative nationwide class. We also will not evaluate the factual dispute regarding Defendants’
sales records, as those facts are not necessary for the determination that Plaintiffs have alleged
claims sufficient for jurisdiction; that bar is met even with Defendants’ estimated sales figures. A
motion to dismiss under Rule 12(b)(1) measures only the basis for our jurisdiction over the
complaint, and the jurisdictional standard has been satisfied.
Conclusion
6  For the foregoing reasons, Defendants’ Motion to Dismiss for Lack of Jurisdiction under
12(b)(1) is DENIED."

As a matter of fact, here is the Docket item that I have uploaded to help let people read, and understand our current standing in the legal system.

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2014cv01924/489513/28

Legrome D. Davis Legrome D. Davis Signed ---- DENIED Defendant[Josh Zipkin] from legal action to DISMISS The Nature of the Class Action, or definition of The Class Action as it's nature.

This means, that we are a Class, and they have failed to prove otherwise.

Luckily I understand a fair bit about court rooms, and Forensic Leading proceedings. Mr. Zipkin had his chance with me, now I have been lied to both by a corporation, and Mr. Zipkin Himself...Sad world we live in.

The Judge deemed our case as a CLASS ACTION. WE are still standing, and Josh Zipkin need's to answer for what he has done now. Josh, I've been nothing but cordial with you, and you need to respect me for who I am. Refund us the damn money already....