Segwit pruning?
Yes assuming segwit is widely used, old signatures could be eliminated on non-archival nodes. Reduces disk space.
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January 30, 2016, 02:23:25 PM
Segwit pruning?
Yes assuming segwit is widely used, old signatures could be eliminated on non-archival nodes. Reduces disk space.
January 30, 2016, 01:34:51 PM
I guess it depends on the nature of data.
It does. I've recently had to learn something in regards to compression. With some types of data the savings can be great, but with random data they are negligible. If someone broadcasts a 1mb/2mb/4mb solved block, that can probably be compressed as it will have redundant bytes.
I don't think it would work though. This was discussed before and would have probably been implemented already(?).If someone is sending the blockchain to someone who is lagging 1-2-3 years, well, he could send it in compressed batches. Surely that takes compression (?)
134212277 - blk00000.dat
99375871 - blk00000.dat.gz (74.04%)
97307825 - blk00000.dat.bz2 (72.5%)
Just ran my own test with 7zip on Windows (Compression format Maximum).134212277 - blk00000.dat
99375871 - blk00000.dat.gz (74.04%)
97307825 - blk00000.dat.bz2 (72.5%)
~73%.
Some people had to be put on ignore due to trolling and idiocy.
I think the segwit pruning would help much more than this. The gains should be on the order of 50% reduction.
Segwit pruning? 
January 30, 2016, 01:32:46 PM
I don't see something that one can directly reply to. The only two points that somewhat make sense right now are 'routing' and 'recipients being online'. The article is based on uncertainty and not technicalities.
January 30, 2016, 01:30:53 PM
I think the segwit pruning would help much more than this. The gains should be on the order of 50% reduction.
January 30, 2016, 01:26:02 PM
If a computer can handle compressed data with virtually no lag, then perhaps there can be a positive spillover effect to the network itself by the transmission of compressed data packages which are compressed/decompressed in realtime by the GPUs for near-zero lag. I think harnessing GPU power is definitely something worth exploring for future scaling, in more than one ways.
No. The data transmitted is mostly random and compressing random data has only a negligible benefit and even sometimes gets you the opposite of the desired result (compressed data ends up being larger). I guess it depends on the nature of data.
If someone broadcasts a few bytes payment, I suspect you are right.
If someone broadcasts a 1mb/2mb/4mb solved block, that can probably be compressed as it will have redundant bytes.
If someone is sending the blockchain to someone who is lagging 1-2-3 years, well, he could send it in compressed batches. Surely that takes compression (?)
134212277 - blk00000.dat
99375871 - blk00000.dat.gz (74.04%)
97307825 - blk00000.dat.bz2 (72.5%)
...although the way it is transmitted might differ from the way it is eventually stored and gains may be less.
January 30, 2016, 12:52:45 PM
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Its like arguing with a goldfish.
Its like arguing with a goldfish.
Bingo. It's all about what we consider axiomatic. For most, it's universal noncontradiction: if the thesis results in A & ~A (a contradiction), it's junk.
For others, it's "I'm always right." Any line of reasoning suggesting otherwise is junk, and must be abandoned.
January 30, 2016, 12:50:54 PM
Personally, I find your attitude to be elitist and dogmatic.
Elitist? Interesting considering where my position in society is. Dogmatic? No (this one suits Peter R and his followers depending on what your definition here is). I'm among the people that tend to admit that they're wrong (if they truly are) here; this can not be said for many others. I could go back and link my post of the 5 issues that you and sbbett replied to, but I have a feeling that I would be wasting my time.
You've ignored his post. Those 5 "issues" aren't fundamental flaws in the design. I don't see something that one can directly reply to. The only two points that somewhat make sense right now are 'routing' and 'recipients being online'. The article is based on uncertainty and not technicalities. Its like arguing with a goldfish.
Then stop arguing with yourself. January 30, 2016, 12:41:01 PM
You have raised no technical issue, you have just linked to an article that someone else wrote.
I could go back and link my post of the 5 issues that you and sbbett replied to, but I have a feeling that I would be wasting my time.
Its like arguing with a goldfish.
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January 30, 2016, 12:37:21 PM
You accused me of an ad-hom when calling you out for labeling anyone who questions core as an uninformed fool. Yet you still failed to adress any technical issues raised. I'd class responding to a post with less than usefull content as a form of trolling. Its a matter pf perspective.
I said no such thing. This is the classic manipulation from forkers. You manipulate things so that they suit your arguments. You have raised nothing, you just linked to an article that someone else wrote. Quote
I [..] am definitely more informed than people of your caliber
I think this statement summarizes your attitude perfectly.Personally, I find your attitude to be elitist and dogmatic.
January 30, 2016, 12:28:36 PM
You accused me of an ad-hom when calling you out for labeling anyone who questions core as an uninformed fool. Yet you still failed to adress any technical issues raised. I'd class responding to a post with less than usefull content as a form of trolling. Its a matter pf perspective.
I said no such thing. This is the classic manipulation from forkers. You manipulate things so that they suit your arguments. You have raised nothing, you just linked to an article that someone else wrote. Quote
I [..] am definitely more informed than people of your caliber
I think this statement summarizes your attitude perfectly....
TL:DR:
Questioning of my self-evident superiority and undeniable expertise is an ad-hominem attack. Which is illogical.
Thanks for further reinforcing my [already dim] view of people of your caliber.
January 30, 2016, 12:16:04 PM
You accused me of an ad-hom when calling you out for labeling anyone who questions core as an uninformed fool. Yet you still failed to adress any technical issues raised. I'd class responding to a post with less than usefull content as a form of trolling. Its a matter pf perspective.
I said no such thing. This is the classic manipulation from forkers. You manipulate things so that they suit your arguments. You have raised no technical issue, you have just linked to an article that someone else wrote. Quote
I [..] am definitely more informed than people of your caliber
I think this statement summarizes your attitude perfectly.Interestingly you've changed the direction of the discussion towards attacking me. I'd be glad if we could avoid these childish acts and move on. However if this isn't the case, then I won't respond to your input anymore.
If a computer can handle compressed data with virtually no lag, then perhaps there can be a positive spillover effect to the network itself by the transmission of compressed data packages which are compressed/decompressed in realtime by the GPUs for near-zero lag. I think harnessing GPU power is definitely something worth exploring for future scaling, in more than one ways.
No. The data transmitted is mostly random and compressing random data has only a negligible benefit and even sometimes gets you the opposite of the desired result (compressed data ends up being larger). January 30, 2016, 12:03:42 PM
Classic REKT here we go 
January 30, 2016, 12:02:34 PM
The issue is you having the temerity to believe yourself qualified to comment on their level of knowledge. You are attempting to defend a technical issue, but you come across as not having a clue.
There is no issue and of course I'm qualified enough. You can take two different approaches here: 1) Look at studies that provide numbers of the general knowledge; 2) Asses the situation yourself. I don't have to defend anything and am definitely more informed than people of your caliber. 1. Pieter Wuille
2. Sipa
(Yes, Lauda, I have seen your contributions on IRC)
You've started trolling (i.e. breaking the rules). I have only had interactions with this developer a few times where he answered a few questions (which were often not directed at him). I barely use IRC on those channels (thus also trolling). 2. Sipa
(Yes, Lauda, I have seen your contributions on IRC)
You accused me of an ad-hom when calling you out for labeling anyone who questions core as an uninformed fool. Yet you still failed to adress any technical issues raised. I'd class responding to a post with less than usefull content as a form of trolling. Its a matter pf perspective.
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I [..] am definitely more informed than people of your caliber
I think this statement summarizes your attitude perfectly.
January 30, 2016, 12:02:09 PM
I haven't read yet about the connection of Blockstream and PwC. Are PwC financing Blockstream? If so then what's the problem?
You can read about it here. There's no problem with it; the only people who have a problem with this are either shills, or they are trying to spread propaganda for whatever reason, or biased (fighting against them?). Why should once care about this any more than for some other random partnership with a Bitcoin startup?
You didnt even address his issue - "Are PwC financing Blockstream?"
Allow me:
No, PwC dont 'finance' people. They are a consulting firm who will partner with service providers and deliver these services to their clients ( or just recommend them)
However, PwC will often match up companies in need of finance with those willing to offer it. Is it a bad thing for bitcoin? Hard to tell. PwC tend to act on behalf of - and for the benefit of - the very industries bitcoin was hoping to compete with ( or at least provide an alternative)
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January 30, 2016, 11:54:32 AM
So your answer is ad hominem?
It's perfectly reasonable to reply with an ad hominem when you talk down to the community like that. You threw logic out of the window when you went down that path.
Bro, how can he not talk down to this ignorant community when the yokels refuse to deffer to his [albeit only self-proclaimed] expertise?
Do you even Gaem Theorie?
Laudas 2 favorite core developers ( in no particular order)
1. Pieter Wuille
2. Sipa
(Yes, Lauda, I have seen your contributions on IRC)
You're dealing with a guy who claims that theymos' unfinished 2+ million dollar forum software is better than SMF software in every respect. Not kidding.
Your logics have no power here.
... I don't have to defend anything and am definitely more informed than people of your caliber. ...
January 30, 2016, 11:54:13 AM
I haven't read yet about the connection of Blockstream and PwC. Are PwC financing Blockstream? If so then what's the problem?
You can read about it here. There's no problem with it; the only people who have a problem with this are either shills, or they are trying to spread propaganda for whatever reason, or biased (fighting against them?). Why should once care about this any more than for some other random partnership with a Bitcoin startup?You didnt even address his issue - "Are PwC financing Blockstream?"
Allow me:
No, PwC dont 'finance' people. They are a consulting firm who will partner with service providers and deliver these services to their clients ( or just recommend them)
However, PwC will often match up companies in need of finance with those willing to offer it. Is it a bad thing for bitcoin? Hard to tell. PwC tend to act on behalf of - and for the benefit of - the very industries bitcoin was hoping to compete with ( or at least provide an alternative)
January 30, 2016, 11:49:22 AM
The issue is you having the temerity to believe yourself qualified to comment on their level of knowledge. You are attempting to defend a technical issue, but you come across as not having a clue.
There is no issue and of course I'm qualified enough. You can take two different approaches here: 1) Look at studies that provide numbers of the general knowledge; 2) Asses the situation yourself. I don't have to defend anything and am definitely more informed than people of your caliber. 1. Pieter Wuille
2. Sipa
(Yes, Lauda, I have seen your contributions on IRC)
You've started trolling (i.e. breaking the rules). I have only had interactions with this developer a few times where he answered a few questions (which were often not directed at him). I barely use IRC on those channels (thus also trolling). 2. Sipa
(Yes, Lauda, I have seen your contributions on IRC)
January 30, 2016, 11:41:28 AM
So your answer is ad hominem?
It's perfectly reasonable to reply with an ad hominem when you talk down to the community like that. You threw logic out of the window when you went down that path.
Bro, how can he not talk down to this ignorant community when the yokels refuse to deffer to his [albeit only self-proclaimed] expertise?
Do you even Gaem Theorie?
Laudas 2 favorite core developers ( in no particular order)
1. Pieter Wuille
2. Sipa
(Yes, Lauda, I have seen your contributions on IRC)
January 30, 2016, 11:40:57 AM
It's perfectly reasonable to reply with an ad hominem when you talk down to the community like that. You threw logic out of the window when you went down that path.
So you're saying that the majority of the community has good IT knowledge? I said nothing wrong, it is well known that the majority of the people in general have very limited knowledge. The problem here is that people are living in denial. Once you call them out on it, they attack you. Just the toxicity of the ecosystem (which was definitely not present until these takeover attempts appeared and Blockstream suddenly became "evil"). The issue is you having the temerity to believe yourself qualified to comment on their level of knowledge. You are attempting to defend a technical issue, but you come across as not having a clue.
Your "You dont understand it, let the 'informed' ones take care of it because technical" is annoying.
January 30, 2016, 11:30:50 AM
I haven't read yet about the connection of Blockstream and PwC. Are PwC financing Blockstream? If so then what's the problem?
You can read about it here. There's no problem with it; the only people who have a problem with this are either shills, or they are trying to spread propaganda for whatever reason, or biased (fighting against them?). Why should once care about this any more than for some other random partnership with a Bitcoin startup?As long as the code is open source and they don't do stupid shit (like clearly becoming anti privacy like Bitcoin XT and so on) who cares the money comes from as long as it's used for the betterment of Bitcoin. I wish Jamie Dimon used his billions to fund Bitcoin development instead of being a dick.
Exactly. You don't have to trust Blockstream or trust anyone for that matter. As long as you can verify the code behind Bitcoin you are good to go. Jump to: