Topic: [ANN] [888] [SCRYPT] OctoCoin ◦ The Power of Eight ◦ Don't Blink - page 29. (Read 297707 times)

I will agree with most of this. You cannot bash the community on the actions or words of very few. Most here have been very patient with little to no interaction from the devs. We have bought all the dumps because we kept believing what they were saying. If anyone, I have definitely stayed positive and tried to be a voice of reason. I have tried to support the devs.

But at some point, the devs have to realize, without transparency and interaction, people get a little uppity about their money.

I understand that and I do not invest what I cannot afford to lose.

But at the end of the day dammit, if i'm giving you money and support to a project, you need to be giving me at least some updates. At least some screenshots. At least some private viewings for at least some people in the community. At least some type of closed beta.

8 months in and we have not had any of this, better yet interaction from the devs who leave us hanging while the coin is at risk of being delisted from Bittrex.

C'mon, you cannot put all of this on the community. This WAS one of the best behaved threads on bitcointalk. We kept the bitching at a minimum and tried to keep a positive light on the coin and the devs based on FAITH that something was coming to us.

We don't ask for much and we have been here showing support and policing the naysayers here since launch.

I don't give a damn what anyone says, I have done nothing but show support.

Many say the whole Bholzer thing proves this is just a scam or a waste of time. Even after Bholzer comes back I still DEFEND him and the devs in hopes that they are truly doing something.

So people should slow their roll and think about that when judging this community.

Even the ones who have been a little negative, still pale in comparison to other boards. And most of them are long time posters on Octo thread. Its not like they just showed up screaming scam. They are worried about their money and pissed at the actions of the devs.

While I chose not to take that route, when everyone just up and disappears, wtf are we supposed to do?

I mean, c'mon, that makes no fucking sense.

I just want something good to come out of this. We have wasted almost a goddamn year while other coins have fucking taken what little interest Octocoin had and ran with it.

Hell at this point, if something isn't turned around, then the community taking it over is the only option. Even that is a major uphill battle and doesn't guarantee we recoup our money. But it does give use the chance to at least do something.

I just wish these dudes would release something and fix this. I don't want all my months of positivity to be for nothing and then the ones who were saying it was pointless are RIGHT. If so, then you just proved all the naysayers right.

They will continue saying it's a scam or a worthless project.

I don't know what all the answers are but I do know that the way it's been here isn't the right way to run things.

And there are plenty of people here who are hard workers, business owners and do great things in their life. We ain't fucking stupid. We are not kids. We are just people who supported something and so far have nothing in return.

I'm about done posting here. I think I've said and done all I can do.

I'll be watching. Let's see what happens.

I'm still laughing about the statement "the community got greedy"...oh my god...as if this community was the cause for the downfall of OctoCoin...we bought all the dumps, we spent our hashing power...all we asked for was a little communication...everyone was preparing to invest more and hold...Now we are to blame? NO F-WORD WAY! If a business fails, it's nearly always the fault of the ones running it! And just so you know...my business is running for 12 years now, and I ain't no little script-kiddie. BHolzer you sound pretty arrogant for a 31 year old!

But you are right about the personal threats...that's not acceptable! Whoever did this: stop it!

so - are we at a point yet where the community chips in an get a professional developer to take over the coin. I have someone ready in the wing and an willing to put up .5 btc to get started. I think another .5 btc would cover his time and work and we can get this coin moving again - at least from a trading standpoint.

is this coin trashed too?

... i am down to 5 altcoins worth investing in. 99% has failed last 12 months. WTF are you still doing here? Try to destruct more recources?

i don't think bholzer knows a damned thing. re reading his little opus only reinforces the fact that this is all a huge scam. he had like 10 paragraphs to say something and instead ONCE AGAIN absolutely no information was released. it was another "wag the dog" exercise, where out of it, the effect it's having is that people are now clamboring to become apart of this inner circle bullshit nonsense.

the TL;DR of his post says:

sutff is happening that i can't tell you about
stuff happened that i can't tell you about
maybe if you're special i'll tell you about it
you're all children
i know stuff that you don't nyah nyah
you're all pathetic children
i do so much that no one knows about, and i won't tell you what any of those things are
you're all impatient and expect too much
i was directly involved in octocoin before it crashed, i watched all the devs pick up and leave and i told no one anything
you're all unreasonable to expect anything, you all don't know how business works.
i've been secretive, non forthcoming, i've hidden any and all information about this coin, and continue to do so
you should all trust me and some random secret other dev to rebuild the wallet
i've been directly involved with the devs/as a dev during this coin's complete and utter collapse
it's all your fault for the coin collapsing because you're all impatient children who don't know how business works.

did i miss anything?

bholzer, I think what you've written here (quoted) would make the most difference. Hopefully you haven't just posted, hopefully you're still reading the thread (as it is currently the only place to talk about 888).

Ignoring the '5th Graders' (and by proxy everyone else) leads to more ignorance, educating them with information makes everyone smarter. It's one thing to say 'I think all of these people are idiots' and ignoring them, it's an entirely different thing to 'thinking some of these people are idiots' and ignoring all of them regardless.

What the coin needs is community relations that don't label anyone as an idiot, or 10 year old, or un-business savvy, even if they think it. I can understand your frustration but remember those who post in this forum aren't necessarily the same pillocks that make death threats or harass your family. There are thousands (guessing) of people vested in Octo and only a handful actively use this forum.

The sooner someone (and yes I'm volunteering) is updated with all of the info the sooner someone can start explaining/updating the community, whether it's here or on a stand alone forum. I have a large tolerance for arguing discussing things with strangers on the internet and am aware of the potential need to withhold certain info but the majority of news, whether good or bad is best aired. I can understand a lack of willingness to engage confrontationally on behalf of Octo, but someone will need to, and the sooner the better. And the only thing that will give someone the ability to do so is being informed. I'd suggest getting one or two people fully in the loop asap so they can take over community relations and free up coin devs to do just that, develop the coin. (This would be best done before Bittrex goes live again, there will be a dump, but better community communication will soften the dump).

I made a very similar offer by email to the Devs a number of months back when shooting them an email about 'community tensions', they did then come to the forums and made a post, (needless to say my offer wasn't acknowledged).

If this interests you please drop me a PM so we can arrange a skype conversation (so I'm no longer a 'stranger on the internet').

As it stands we've all lost thousand of £'s (or $ if you prefer) and the only way to avoid that being the end of the story is to start communicating with each other, to write a new chapter if you like.

Agree 100% here with djslick! If the devs were legit, why not write in this forum what was wrong and what had happened??

I have invested in Nautiluscoin too, and I am much more calm in regards to Brian Kelly and what he is trying to do, as he has done alot of work and thoughts on "his" coin. I think if people here in the 888 community got some knowledge instead of being called childish and so on, then there wouldn´t be all this! I am not rich either so it would have been nice to get some info on plans and setbacks etc. The word scammers comes to mind to people in here, because of lack of giving us something to believe in, which is the devs responsibility as I see it.
I said it before and I will say it again, as soon as this gets on bittrex again (if ever) I am out with my 500k, maybe just maybe I will keep 100k, just to see if by any chance it could get reversed and something good could happen.
What bholzer wrote, did not secure my thoughts of this coin being a good investment, there´s a reason people in here are very sceptical and the lack of interest in us, the investors, from the devs are imo. what has driven most people to react like they/I do now:(

And of course for the record, death threats or any threats are not cool but i understand why people are frustrated though!

This means that you have long since abandoned octo project.

You are a great businessmans. Started project with big promises and then left him.
You are great devs, but nothing done. You have millions of lines of code abandoned.

@ to all octo dev teams
Why did you start crypto projects once you are not serious. You are grandiosity, but without coverage. Pressurized air. Misled us and lied to us.

We do not know anything about business. Children are malicious. What did you expect from us? What we did not do as well as you wanted?

I'm very sorry that I believed in you. I believed in the great words that do not believe ... little child.
You've failed my crypto challenge. Losses are too high for me and I can not bear them easily. I'm not rich like you. Each dollar is hard won. You mocked the money and trust us. Pissed on us. Until today I believed in you. But not anymore. You will not do anything. Perhaps only fix wallet and that's it. Arrogant and nasty liars. That's you. Psohopati! Do not you people. Have you thought about the people who hurt and disappointed? Why did you do all this?

PM sent and saw the TX come across the screen!!  THANKS!!!!  Now to get the coin fixed!!! 

To be honest I wanted to ensure I was donating something of value BEFORE I parted with the Octo, hence the offer to sell them at a higher than market price to somebody who still believes in Octo.  I wanted the recipient to get the Octo and the charity to get FIAT or at least BTC.

Also, although I did flippantly (under the influence of a glass or two of red) say a charity of your choice I didn't actually expect to get any takers and hadn't considered the ramifications of that sweeping statement.  In short, and with the greatest of respect, I'm sure your charity is a great cause but it's rather localised to a specific charity in the US and I'm not US based.  I also have a pre-disposition to cot death charities.

However, all of that said, if you send me some evidence that Crypto for Kids is a genuine and registered charity (in the UK charitable bodies have to be legally registered, I'm not sure of the rules in the US?) I will gladly send over 100k 888 to that address as a gesture of good will.  I'm assuming the blockchain is moving again now?

EDIT: Actually, scratch that, I'm not going to make you jump through hoops for something that currently has very little value, let's instill a little more trust around here.  100k 888 sent;

Status: 0/unconfirmed, broadcast through 6 nodes
Date: 07/11/2014 13:37
To: 8QzqzDN6Bf1Spiz6S1uDf1huSPa2J3tWBj
Debit: -100000.00 888
Transaction fee: -0.01 888
Net amount: -100000.01 888
Transaction ID: 2f786cb4f21d74ddba52c78842525ecf652c13f2309ccb936fd66e517d5401b2-000

Give them to www.cryptoforkids.com
We'll sit on them until this is straightened out!!!

It was a tongue in cheek post.  I don't expect any takers.  Giving them away to a worthy cause is just about the only thing that would cause me to release my Octo at this current juncture.

lucky number ,
good luck for selling in present state.

this was a great coin with lots of talent backing it
bit sad to see it in this state

It never ceases to amaze me how often people claim to have received death threats through their internet presence if it truly happens at all let alone with the regularity it seems to then its disgusting and my faith in the human race, as somebody already quite misanthropic, takes yet another dent.  In my experience this has been one of the calmest, most rational backwaters of this forum and it is solely down to whoever is behind Octocoin for squandering that.  I see no reason to be walking away from the people here, all I've seen is genuine supporters asking questions in a relatively calm and rational manner given their losses.  Have the death threats come from members of this forum through the forum?  If so then I can understand the need to leave the place be.

Incidentally, assuming I am one of the "childish" people referred to, this child is 45 years old and runs a global business with a turnover in the £millions.  I built all of that AFTER hitting rock bottom in my 30's after a life changing personal tragedy (losing a child to cot death after I settled him down so I could put in a few extra hours work one weekend morning) and being made bankrupt a year later.  I dragged myself off the floor because I had 6 other children and a broken wife to support so I won't be preached to about having no understanding of business, sacrifice, commitment and work/life balance.  Anybody else who truly knows the meaning of those things has my utmost respect.  However, that respect doesn't mean that I don't want answers when something I've poured a lot of money into just suddenly self implodes.  EDIT: I also fully understand given the nature of crypto that I have no right to expect those answers but it won't stop me asking the questions.

Unfortunately we're still left with no explanation for the domain registration and the links between bholzer, FusionHash, Octocoin and AoA.  It seems that there is willingness to pick up the threads and keep Octocoin alive so the good news here is that as soon as all that ambiguity and confusion is cleared up everybody can make rational informed decisions about whether or not they continue to buy, hold and support Octocoin.

@beardedcouncel

well said. i think you sum up a lot of what we all feel rationally and without attacking someone.

On the brighter side of the moon:Last time SR got busted Bitcoin took off. SR 2.0 is done and it's going to be interesting to see how that affects the price of BTC and the overall context of crypto.

I would put more hope on Bholzer or the devs or a partial team completing the project or a community takeover if needed. (Which according to Bholzer's posts may not be needed.)

As for the Bitcoin Foundation.. psht. You think anyone there cares about any altcoin projects? No, according to them sidechains are the future. Did it really shed any light on anything? All we know is that guy doesn't have any knowledge of the project. Nobody here still knows 100% what is going on which is sad because that was my intent for being involved in the conversation.

Does the conflicting statements put some pressure on Bholzer and the dev team to clarify and be more transparent? Yes, in some aspects.

Like I stated before: I don't know what the answers are based on the data and this isn't a witchhunt or a slander towards them.

It was a community trying to figure out what is going on when people disappeared (maybe for good reason.)

Whois showed data and people went with what they saw. I do not believe there is anything wrong with researching trying to find out if a claim is made that someone is backing a project or buying the mining pool.

As for anyone who would use violence or threats against anyone or their families, I do not condone that at all. Here's a hint if it happened: grow up and don't be a douche.

I have PM'd Bholzer and let him know where I stand on the  issue.

As for the other devs, a little transparency and communication could have avoided much of this. I understand the crypto world and people in it aren't all angels and what you do is not an easy task. But take the proper steps to keep the community on point and engaged. Specially when many people here have a financial and time stake in the success of these types of projects.

Just because the head of AoA doesn't know anything about this and we don't understand why the octohub registration says what it says doesn't automatically mean it's a scam or not legit. Like I said we just don't have all the data to prove one way or another. There are many people in AoA and maybe it was someone involved with AoA that was doing this on the side. My intent was to get Bholzer or the devs to at least show back up and explain

My hope is that the project keeps moving forward so that it leads to something good for all involved including the devs and the community. That takes a lot more than what we've seen so far. But that doesn't mean that it can't be done.

Nonetheless, I posted what I felt was part of a conversation that had been started and I believe it needed to be said so the people here can have the least amount of worry in what they put their time and money into.

Good luck with whatever this is and whoever is really running it. I'm always available to talk and help however I can.

People know how to get ahold of me. And as always I will be here watching and hoping something good still comes of this.

wow that's incredible. a flutter of hope in these dire times?