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Topic: [ANN] AgoraDesk.com | Buy ♻️ Sell Bitcoins Anonymously! (Read 2870 times)

legendary
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I am just hoping maybe Bisq becomes way more simplified, though it's no easy thing to do without compromising decentralization and security.
Some exchanges are very simple to use but they are centralized, and I agree that we should try to create better dex experience, especially few newbies.
There is ongoing Bisq Light Client Initiative Project supported by OrangeFren and eXch, that is aimed at making things more simple with Electrum wallet as base:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5509573
full member
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LocalMonero / AgoraDesk: Buy BTC, XMR anonymously
Thank you all for your support and for those wonderful 5 years in the most united and friendly community.  Smiley
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Too few offers available now on Bisq.
Very few offers means people are not even trying to migrate to Bisq even after the closure of major centralized platforms. On thing I realized people just like "simplicity" or someone being the custodian of the funds

More like how millions of people still prefer unfair centralized banks vs Bitcoin which is full of freedom  Smiley

I am just hoping maybe Bisq becomes way more simplified, though it's no easy thing to do without compromising decentralization and security.
hero member
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Just a small reminder, don't forget to withdraw your funds before November 7th (if you still have any on your Agoradesk/LocalMonero account):

On November 7th, 2024, the website will be taken down. Please reclaim any funds from your arbitration bond wallet prior to that date, otherwise the funds may be considered abandoned/forfeited
newbie
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instead of favouring the likes of bisq.
Too few offers available now on Bisq. After recent attack on mixers and centralized platforms like AgoraDesk and LocalMonery may be situation will improve.
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When there will be no privacy-oriented services in the "Western/developed world" at all, customers will have no other choice than using services operated from gray unrecognized jurisdictions.
Unfortunately, even with what is still available, the masses seem to be comfortable being tracked.

How many people use Bitcoin vs the entire world population? How many use Monero to enhance their privacy, How many user Tor Browser vs Chrome?
People sing about p2p services here but a majority of them actually use Binance marketplace, paxful etc instead of favouring the likes of bisq.
newbie
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Remember they have been a business and with a business you have to convince customers at one point to use your service, most of which are from jurisdictions that are under the US dictatorship. At the end of the day, it's all about numbers, if a genuine business is to survive.
When there will be no privacy-oriented services in the "Western/developed world" at all, customers will have no other choice than using services operated from gray unrecognized jurisdictions.
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Operate the service in a country which is maximally-hostile to the U.S. govt. Even if FBI/NSA/SEC etc will deanonymize owner's name and address, they cannot do anything in real life.
Look recent example of LockBit ransomware operator - identified, but U.S. govt. is powerless on Russian territory.
There is a huge difference on what you are trying to bring up if you critically look into it

Ransomware vs an Exchange service
hackers/criminals vs Privacy lovers

Remember they have been a business and with a business you have to convince customers at one point to use your service, most of which are from jurisdictions that are under the US dictatorship. At the end of the day, it's all about numbers, if a genuine business is to survive.
legendary
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Bummer. Just opened the site to see the bad news. Kinda afraid to place an order now, with only 1 week to go before trades are closed completely, for a potentially reversible payment method. Was a great service but I don't blame them for making this difficult decision -- US is cracking down hard on crypto. This year, 10 years into my crypto experience, marks the end of an era. RIP free markets & free trade.

Operate the service in a country which is maximally-hostile to the U.S. govt. Even if FBI/NSA/SEC etc will deanonymize owner's name and address, they cannot do anything in real life.

They can still torment sellers based in non-hostile countries.
newbie
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Localcryptos wasn't also operating in the United States AFAIK, but they also had to voluntarily shut down, and many people suspect it was due to regulatory pressure. Even if a service does not operate within the US, if by any chance the regulators know that the US citizens use it. They will sue it, fine it some good sums of money and sanction it. At least this is what we have seen happen. So some owners/founders avoid this by shutting down voluntarily before the focus shifts to them.
Operate the service in a country which is maximally-hostile to the U.S. govt. Even if FBI/NSA/SEC etc will deanonymize owner's name and address, they cannot do anything in real life.
Look recent example of LockBit ransomware operator - identified, but U.S. govt. is powerless on Russian territory.
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I'm curious did you receive messages from the authorities which require to enforce KYC requirements? or you shut down your service for personal reasons? I check on WHOIS your domain is listed on Tortola state, Tortola isn't a part of US, AFAIK only US is cracking down privacy related to Bitcoin.
Localcryptos wasn't also operating in the United States AFAIK, but they also had to voluntarily shut down, and many people suspect it was due to regulatory pressure. Even if a service does not operate within the US, if by any chance the regulators know that the US citizens use it. They will sue it, fine it some good sums of money and sanction it. At least this is what we have seen happen. So some owners/founders avoid this by shutting down voluntarily before the focus shifts to them.
legendary
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This is really bad, what a loss for us. Every day, a new batch of P2P and privacy-oriented services are closing. I hope that those who remain will be able to hold on...
RIP Agoradesk and LocalMonero  Sad
Every day I read crypto news I am waiting to see what service is shutting down next... yesterday it was Agoradesk, tomorrow something else...
Message from Agoradesk tram gives us some hope with Haveno, Serai, atomic swaps and others, we need to have more usable non-kyc fiat services.
Developers should start working on new generation p2p trading services that have no (or minimal) centralization in them, to avoid risks of them being taken down.
legendary
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I'm curious did you receive messages from the authorities which require to enforce KYC requirements? or you shut down your service for personal reasons? I check on WHOIS your domain is listed on Tortola state, Tortola isn't a part of US, AFAIK only US is cracking down privacy related to Bitcoin.
At least they announced that. Many services stopped suddenly during the past two weeks, and I do not think that what happened was a coincidence, so something must have happened and they asked them to stop immediately, otherwise judicial charges will be brought against them.
The United States government cooperates with several governments around the world, so what happens may be the result of this cooperation.
hero member
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Since @OP haven't post the important update, I will post it here.

I'm curious did you receive messages from the authorities which require to enforce KYC requirements? or you shut down your service for personal reasons? I check on WHOIS your domain is listed on Tortola state, Tortola isn't a part of US, AFAIK only US is cracking down privacy related to Bitcoin.

Thank you for sharing the news.

This is really bad, what a loss for us. Every day, a new batch of P2P and privacy-oriented services are closing. I hope that those who remain will be able to hold on...

Your service was a reference for our community, it will be missed  Embarrassed
hero member
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Since @OP haven't post the important update, I will post it here.

I'm curious did you receive messages from the authorities which require to enforce KYC requirements? or you shut down your service for personal reasons? I check on WHOIS your domain is listed on Tortola state, Tortola isn't a part of US, AFAIK only US is cracking down privacy related to Bitcoin.

LocalMonero / AgoraDesk will be winding down it's operations
Published: 2024-05-07
Hey everyone,

After almost 7 years of operation, due to a combination of internal and external factors, we have made the difficult decision to close our platform.

We're extremely thankful for the love and support we've received over the years. We couldn't have done it without you. We love you all ♥

LocalMonero has been around for most of Monero's life. Fortunately, the Monero ecosystem has matured a lot over these years, and with the imminent launch of Haveno and other DEXs like Serai, atomic swaps, the coming addition of FCMP (full blockchain anonymity set replacing rings of 16) as well as the continuing and rapidly accelerating development of the Monero protocol, we're confident that Monero's future is bright, with or without our platform.

The winding-down process begins today, and finishes 6 months from now. Our support staff will be available for help throughout this period.

Effective immediately, all new signups and ad postings are disabled;
One week from now, on May 14th, 2024, new trades will be disabled as well;
6 months from now, on November 7th, 2024, the website will be taken down. Please reclaim any funds from your arbitration bond wallet prior to that date, otherwise the funds may be considered abandoned/forfeited.
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฿itcoin for all, All for ฿itcoin.
The admin Alex threaten me to seize any balance of Monero i have inside Agoradesk if i open a new account. So yes its a risky service.
They didn't threat you. They simply warned you, so what's wrong with that?

They told you to stay off their platform, So what exactly is the problem? They never took your funds.

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For the "twisted words" part that you speak about, let me explain again:
They banned me when i asked if i could put Tainted and mixer coins accepted in my title of seller ad as i accept any kind of Bitcoin for Monero.
Can you show us the message you sent to the support, screenshot perhaps?

newbie
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Maybe because we are thousands of users being satisfied with the service?
I'm satisfied by the service as well. However, I found this detail in their ToS:
In addition to the fact that the platform can function without JavaScript, AgoraDesk is also committed to maintaining simplicity and privacy, so it never requests KYC/ID verification and never plans to do so.

"not only can it turn into a KYC exchange, but it can suspend the user's account and confiscate their coins if they fail to complete the KYC"
This part of their ToS you speak about is the HIGH RISK involved using their pretended "non-custodial p2p" exchange who actually is fully custodial at AgoraDesk. Thanks for highlighting it.

I got banned simply for ASKING if i could put in my title of seller offers: "Mixed or Tainted Bitcoins accepted"
So yes you are right AgoraDesk and Localmonero market themselves as NO KYC but they can indeed ask any proof of funds or KYC from any customers.
They are no different than Paxful, Noones, Binance P2P or all the other custodial p2p exchanges who asks KYC or Source of Funds.
I just got lucky all this time to not get shotgun KYC my sweet Monero by AgoraDesk/Localmonero.
legendary
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Farewell, Leo
Maybe because we are thousands of users being satisfied with the service?
I'm satisfied by the service as well. However, I found this detail in their ToS:
In addition to the fact that the platform can function without JavaScript, AgoraDesk is also committed to maintaining simplicity and privacy, so it never requests KYC/ID verification and never plans to do so.
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