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newbie
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March 08, 2014, 08:12:25 AM
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People, we really need to ask ourselves; is a coin with a cap of 1,000,000,000 going to be released and be worth 0.00115 off the spot?
That would put the market cap at 1,150,000 BTC.... thats $759,000,000

ON DAY ONE!

Reeeaaaallly?

A coin with:
  • No new features
  • No accountability (identification, recourse)
  • No valid use except as a speculative asset

Come on people, lets be realistic here. A few satoshi's sure, but .00115 BTC/AIR?

Interesting Point... the market-cap that results out of this parameters will produce a decent buzz ... also if I don't believe, that this will keep people from accepting the given price, if the developers manage to keep it stable at this rate. At least there is no single entity that could dump other than the devs themselves.

Look at AUR, it didn't keep people from buying even though everybody knew (or maybe not everybody Tongue) what is going to happen and that the marketcap is artificially distorted. Do I trust 200.000 Icelanders more than a dev team :-)?   

The "no new features" point could be debated - also if it's right that "stable rising market price" isn't a feature of the coin itself but a feature of the endeavour as a whole.

Regards
newbie
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March 08, 2014, 07:47:58 AM
I have no trouble agreeing with you X, when money  pile up, ethics usually start to go down. True.... but not always.

What is your solution then? How are we going to reward the DEV Team? or to you think that creating and supporting something should not be rewarded? Don't get me wrong  TheMightyX, I understand your concerns and  share them, but what would be a better solution?

No matter what, you always need to trust at a point, trust that the doctor will not forget a pair of scissors inside your belly, trust that your wife doesn´t fool around with some other guy (or girl), trust that your kid is not smoking something funny, you name it.

This is no different, and if the DEV's make a pile of money, as long as i make some too, i´m happy. After all it was their idea, their initiative, their work... i´m just following along.

I don't think that a dumping-out option at some future point is the intended mean of reward for the dev team  Roll Eyes - on the other hand It's clear that they will reward themselves for the work done.

@teamaircoin: How do you reward yourself for the work done? Is there some kind of salary? Do you intend to use the pre mined funds for this? Sorry if this maybe is covered somewhere in whitepaper or somewhere in this thread and I'm not aware at the moment...
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“A fool and his money are soon parted”
March 08, 2014, 06:40:06 AM
I have no trouble agreeing with you X, when money  pile up, ethics usually start to go down. True.... but not always.

What is your solution then? How are we going to reward the DEV Team? or to you think that creating and supporting something should not be rewarded? Don't get me wrong  TheMightyX, I understand your concerns and  share them, but what would be a better solution?

No matter what, you always need to trust at a point, trust that the doctor will not forget a pair of scissors inside your belly, trust that your wife doesn´t fool around with some other guy (or girl), trust that your kid is not smoking something funny, you name it.

This is no different, and if the DEV's make a pile of money, as long as i make some too, i´m happy. After all it was their idea, their initiative, their work... i´m just following along.
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Vires in Numeris
March 08, 2014, 06:10:41 AM
If you believe  the premine  " is exclusively for an investment pool that will day trade the coin ..." then this coin may be the best investment in recent cryptocoins, with the potential to grow in value better than others, as long as the DEV´s keep doing their job.

If you believe the DEV's will dump their 2,500,000 coins at the best opportunity, then it will be just like almost any other coin out there, and I have lost nothing other than a little bit of my time.

I choose to believe the first option, as the DEV seems to be enlightened and intelligent enough see that long term rewards are better than the short term option, however I might be wrong and it wouldn't be the first time to happen.  Cool

Hoping for the best....but prepared for the worst!


I don't really doubt that they will follow through on their promise at least initially.
But when and if that fund grows to $10,000,000 then what?
When we start getting in to that kind of money, things like morals and ethics have no place.
This is blind trust. In fact this is less than blind trust because for 50,000 years we know humans have been humans and will continue to be humans. This is trusting that just this once, humans will not be human.

Yes, this is the time guys.


You will have "lost nothing" but allowed someone to gain everything through untruthful means and profit off of your apathy. You will have supported a great fruitless endeavor. Don't demand accountability, because that would be hard. Who wants to make the world a better place anyway.

We KNOW scammers are gonna scam, but lets just trust them not to because they promised us
 Roll Eyes

sr. member
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March 08, 2014, 04:27:29 AM
If you believe  the premine  " is exclusively for an investment pool that will day trade the coin ..." then this coin may be the best investment in recent cryptocoins, with the potential to grow in value better than others, as long as the DEV´s keep doing their job.

If you believe the DEV's will dump their 2,500,000 coins at the best opportunity, then it will be just like almost any other coin out there, and I have lost nothing other than a little bit of my time.

I choose to believe the first option, as the DEV seems to be enlightened and intelligent enough see that long term rewards are better than the short term option, however I might be wrong and it wouldn't be the first time to happen.  Cool

Hoping for the best....but prepared for the worst!


 

+1
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“A fool and his money are soon parted”
March 08, 2014, 03:44:19 AM
If you believe  the premine  " is exclusively for an investment pool that will day trade the coin ..." then this coin may be the best investment in recent cryptocoins, with the potential to grow in value better than others, as long as the DEV´s keep doing their job.

If you believe the DEV's will dump their 2,500,000 coins at the best opportunity, then it will be just like almost any other coin out there, and I have lost nothing other than a little bit of my time.

I choose to believe the first option, as the DEV seems to be enlightened and intelligent enough see that long term rewards are better than the short term option, however I might be wrong and it wouldn't be the first time to happen.  Cool

Hoping for the best....but prepared for the worst!


 
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Vires in Numeris
March 08, 2014, 02:52:24 AM
As a miner, I'm quite content waiting a while to get on an exchange. Right now this coin is still flying under the radar, and the difficulty is low.
Now is the accumulation period. It's time to mine/buy while the difficulty/price is low.

+1

I dont know about you guys but I get about 6-8 aircoins/day at 2.3MHs. Isnt this just too low? Unless the coin is going to be at least $10 each this doesnt make economic sense at this moment in time. It is crazy that there are 1 billion to be mined, this may take foreeeever. Or am I missing something?

You're missing the part where the number of initial coins needs to be 1 billion so that their 0.25% premine seems small when actually it is more coins than will be mined during the first 2.5 years of mining.

I also find it alarming that we are trusting the developers with $1,897,500 dollars worth of BTC if people believe their projections.
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Opening exchange rates are expected at .00115 BTC/AIR, based off of current regression to the mean trends of .00002000 bitcoin-equivalent-per-kilohash-per-day, assuming a moderate difficulty (2 to 20) before entering an exchange. A higher launch difficulty will result in a higher exchange rate to return to the competitive mean.
This means nothing by the way. Whats their incentive to keep going? Why not just sell all the coins and retire to the bahamas?

People, we really need to ask ourselves; is a coin with a cap of 1,000,000,000 going to be released and be worth 0.00115 off the spot?
That would put the market cap at 1,150,000 BTC.... thats $759,000,000

ON DAY ONE!

Reeeaaaallly?

A coin with:
  • No new features
  • No accountability (identification, recourse)
  • No valid use except as a speculative asset

Come on people, lets be realistic here. A few satoshi's sure, but .00115 BTC/AIR?
hero member
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March 08, 2014, 01:34:21 AM
As a miner, I'm quite content waiting a while to get on an exchange. Right now this coin is still flying under the radar, and the difficulty is low.
Now is the accumulation period. It's time to mine/buy while the difficulty/price is low.

+1

I dont know about you guys but I get about 6-8 aircoins/day at 2.3MHs. Isnt this just too low? Unless the coin is going to be at least $10 each this doesnt make economic sense at this moment in time. It is crazy that there are 1 billion to be mined, this may take foreeeever. Or am I missing something?

You're missing the part where the number of initial coins needs to be 1 billion so that their 0.25% premine seems small when actually it is more coins than will be mined during the first 2.5 years of mining.
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March 08, 2014, 12:40:33 AM
Great news! Going to cast my vote on the exchanges.
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March 08, 2014, 12:25:16 AM
Just requested they add AIRcoin to the voting page of potential coins in the Mintpal exchange.
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AIRcoin Alexander
March 07, 2014, 11:49:26 PM

In light of the sudden growth and immediate response, we are working on improving our internal structure and external image to suit the rapidly-expanding growth of the interest in the coin. This means that you can quickly expect, in the very near future, the following:

1. Website Redesign
2. New Logos and Images
3. A response and update to the original Whitepaper
4. Further improvements to the Wallet
5. Data and publications about AIRcoin's first week
6. Media coverage and QnA sessions
7. Improved forums, Reddit, and other social media.

Additionally, we have instituted a list of Qualified Exchanges. These are exchanges that we will support, offer our services to, and recommend that you, as users, push for AIRcoin's success on.


Qualified:
MintPal
MCXnow
Vicurex
Cryptsy*
Poloniex**

Non-Qualified
Bter
BTC-e
Coinmarket.io
All other exchanges not listed.

* A note regarding Cryptsy: While some users have expressed troubles with Cryptsy, it's interface in the last 4-6 weeks has improved dramatically, especially regarding trade latency. However, if withdrawal and deposit times become a major issue, then we will demote it to Non-qualified status. It is a very polarizing exchange, offering the best in some characteristics and the worst in others. Many other exchanges are preferable, but it is still worth AIRcoin pursuing.
** A note regarding Poloniex: Poloniex has a very low volume, and despite positive response from our users, would likely be unable to hold a majority of the trading on its own.

This is a living list, and will change as demands for the coin change. However, the general requirement for a Qualified exchange are:
1. Clean, fast interface
2. Acceptable API, excellent data and charts
3. A large volume and many altcoins to trade with/against
4. Reliability of Website (Uptime, speed, maintenence)

We now ask that you help pursue the campaigns for entering on these exchanges, starting with the highest priority exchanges (at the top of their respective lists) and moving to the lower ones. We hope by being discriminatory about which exchanges we use, we will help breed professionalism through competition between the exchanges.

hope this manages to get on an exchange soon. Need more hash

If this is listed on an exchange with a trading API multipools will rape it.
This coin has no protection from multipools.
It is going to be very hard for the devs to follow through with their plan if there is a constant downward pressure on the price.


I think that the multipools will have less of an impact on price than they will on the AIR that the pools will be able to get.  There only be the same number of blocks per day, even if the multipools are mining. They will just make it harder for the rest of us not in a multipool to get coins.

This is correct. Arguably, multipools will have a tendency to be indiscriminate about the coins they receive, meaning they will sell faster than regular pool miners' coins, but the difference is not significant because they are both indeed limited by the total blocks per day. The total inflation rate, much more than an individual pool's share of the distributed coins, is of far more concern (and is definitely taken care of in our calculations) to us.

The effect on the price is not a result of the algorithms or code behind it, but of the service built around the exchange. It seems odd to think in those terms, because most coins have absolutely no market services around them whatsoever, leaving the mining algorithms to be the sole bearer of price differentiation.


Devs, what made you pick regular scrypt over scrypt-n or scrypt-jane? I know you've thought heavily about the future roadmap of this coin, but wouldn't being ASIC-resistant be a plus?
totally agree

As outlined in a previous post (page 21) it was mostly due to simplicity. We wanted to focus our efforts improving how the coin was used, and if we could provide reasonable strength against inflation, ASICs would become significantly less of a concern. The original response is quoted below:

@Teamaircoin:

I'm not sure if this question already came up somewhere in the past 20 pages ... so: why didn't you choose some fancy algo or some POS ingredient to the asset? To keep things simple (in terms of avoiding POS) or to even attract ASICS in the near future?

Regards



Initially, simplicity. Our time and energy is spent on the economics of the coin, and we didn't feel that (at least at launch) the effort and complexity put forth in a POS system would have significantly improved the economics of the coin. Instituting such a system (especially if Scrypt ASICs move in faster than we anticipate, we believe we'll be able to adapt the code earlier) is not out of the question though.

In the longer term (months), adopting to a more environmentally-friendly or economically viable POS system may be advantageous.



Lastly, two bounties have been paid, one for developing the Block Explorer and one for aid in developing the Mac Wallet. No additional bounties will be distributed, and these two additions were critical for the support of the coin. We felt it was necessary to move faster with the development than attempt to take longer and design a block explorer in-house.

To address concerns regarding the block explorer, the 2,500,000 coins will now begin subdividing into their respective wallets to be distributed as-needed into exchanges and traders when ready. This redundancy (between 10 and 30 wallets containing the entire volume depending on how much is being traded at any given point) will give us some protection from any one wallet or trader going down or being compromised.

Any one find it funny that the aircoin team all has some sort of Greek related handles =P

The Five Core Team Members are:

Alexander - Leading development, Public Relations
Aether - Website design
Proteus - Wallet Coding, Customer Support
Theseus - Publication, Accounting, Records
Solomon - Trading, Funds Management

Each name represents a different mindset and approach to our development team, and is handled by the respective heads of their groups. The last account, AIRCOIN DEV O is used for general support and is not tied to any one individual or group of individuals in our team.
hero member
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March 07, 2014, 06:47:17 PM
Sorry for the issues lately ith AIR.pitythepool.com

The AIR pool has been under intense DDOS attacks for over a week now, 6-12 hours per day.  They have been targeting the AIR pool specifically.  Yesterday it was finally large enough I had to have the firewall reject all requests to that host to conserve server resources.

I will bring the pool back online later today.  Everyone's coins are safe and cron jobs are still running, so if you had auto-payouts enabled you should have already received your coins.

Sorry again for the all the trouble.

Thanks for the update. To your credit, I've mined on a few of your pools and they've always seemed solid.

I appreciate the kind words.  We have several DDOS mitigation techniques in place but unfortunately it's pretty much impossible to protect yourself 100%, depending on the type and size of the attack.  6-12 hours a day for a week is a good chunk of time for someone to point their bots at a site.  Someone really, really wanted that pool to go down.

Many thanks for the info!
legendary
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DASH is the future of crypto payments!
March 07, 2014, 04:31:50 PM
hope this manages to get on an exchange soon. Need more hash

If this is listed on an exchange with a trading API multipools will rape it.
This coin has no protection from multipools.
It is going to be very hard for the devs to follow through with their plan if there is a constant downward pressure on the price.


We need better KGW implementation, some algoritm similar to what DarkCoin has - controlled by Moore's law, extremely efficient, effectively will rule multis out.

AGREE 100%
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March 07, 2014, 04:20:33 PM
hope this manages to get on an exchange soon. Need more hash

If this is listed on an exchange with a trading API multipools will rape it.
This coin has no protection from multipools.
It is going to be very hard for the devs to follow through with their plan if there is a constant downward pressure on the price.


We need better KGW implementation, some algoritm similar to what DarkCoin has - controlled by Moore's law, extremely efficient, effectively will rule multis out.
hero member
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March 07, 2014, 02:33:26 PM
Sorry for the issues lately ith AIR.pitythepool.com

The AIR pool has been under intense DDOS attacks for over a week now, 6-12 hours per day.  They have been targeting the AIR pool specifically.  Yesterday it was finally large enough I had to have the firewall reject all requests to that host to conserve server resources.

I will bring the pool back online later today.  Everyone's coins are safe and cron jobs are still running, so if you had auto-payouts enabled you should have already received your coins.

Sorry again for the all the trouble.

Thanks for the update. To your credit, I've mined on a few of your pools and they've always seemed solid.

I appreciate the kind words.  We have several DDOS mitigation techniques in place but unfortunately it's pretty much impossible to protect yourself 100%, depending on the type and size of the attack.  6-12 hours a day for a week is a good chunk of time for someone to point their bots at a site.  Someone really, really wanted that pool to go down.
legendary
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Shitcoin Minimalist
March 07, 2014, 02:30:14 PM
Sorry for the issues lately ith AIR.pitythepool.com

The AIR pool has been under intense DDOS attacks for over a week now, 6-12 hours per day.  They have been targeting the AIR pool specifically.  Yesterday it was finally large enough I had to have the firewall reject all requests to that host to conserve server resources.

I will bring the pool back online later today.  Everyone's coins are safe and cron jobs are still running, so if you had auto-payouts enabled you should have already received your coins.

Sorry again for the all the trouble.

Thanks for the update. To your credit, I've mined on a few of your pools and they've always seemed solid.
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
March 07, 2014, 02:22:09 PM
Sorry for the issues lately ith AIR.pitythepool.com

The AIR pool has been under intense DDOS attacks for over a week now, 6-12 hours per day.  They have been targeting the AIR pool specifically.  Yesterday it was finally large enough I had to have the firewall reject all requests to that host to conserve server resources.

I will bring the pool back online later today.  Everyone's coins are safe and cron jobs are still running, so if you had auto-payouts enabled you should have already received your coins.

Sorry again for the all the trouble.
legendary
Activity: 2646
Merit: 2793
Shitcoin Minimalist
March 07, 2014, 02:17:28 PM
As a miner, I'm quite content waiting a while to get on an exchange. Right now this coin is still flying under the radar, and the difficulty is low.
Now is the accumulation period. It's time to mine/buy while the difficulty/price is low.

+1

I dont know about you guys but I get about 6-8 aircoins/day at 2.3MHs. Isnt this just too low? Unless the coin is going to be at least $10 each this doesnt make economic sense at this moment in time. It is crazy that there are 1 billion to be mined, this may take foreeeever. Or am I missing something?

That sounds low. I've been getting around 9-10 AIR per MH, depending on difficulty of course. Where are you mining?
sr. member
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March 07, 2014, 01:47:08 PM
hope this manages to get on an exchange soon. Need more hash

If this is listed on an exchange with a trading API multipools will rape it.
This coin has no protection from multipools.
It is going to be very hard for the devs to follow through with their plan if there is a constant downward pressure on the price.


I think that the multipools will have less of an impact on price than they will on the AIR that the pools will be able to get.  There only be the same number of blocks per day, even if the multipools are mining. They will just make it harder for the rest of us not in a multipool to get coins.
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Vires in Numeris
March 07, 2014, 01:14:26 PM
hope this manages to get on an exchange soon. Need more hash

If this is listed on an exchange with a trading API multipools will rape it.
This coin has no protection from multipools.
It is going to be very hard for the devs to follow through with their plan if there is a constant downward pressure on the price.
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