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Topic: [ANN] [ASIC-RESISTANT] UltraCoin (UTC) - Ultrafast 6 second transactions!! - page 312. (Read 946654 times)

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-25/bitcoin-is-property-not-currency-in-tax-system-irs-says.html

To me, this means that fast transaction times become meaningless. Not good news. (rethinking it, I guess it's still beneficial)
But yeah, I wonder how this will change the whole crypto world. I'm confused.  Undecided

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The IRS, faced with a choice of treating Bitcoins like currency or property, chose property.
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Purchasing a $2 cup of coffee with Bitcoins bought for $1 would trigger $1 in capital gains for the coffee drinker and $2 of gross income for the coffee shop.
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Bitcoin miners will have to report their earnings as taxable income with a value equal to the worth on the day it was mined. If they mine as part of a business, they would have to pay payroll taxes as well.
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The ruling takes effect immediately and covers past and future transactions and tax returns. The IRS said in the notice that it may offer relief from penalties to people who engaged in transactions before today and can show “reasonable cause” for underpayments or failure to file.

This comment is funny:  Grin
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The answer is simple bitcoin owners. Set the value of a single bitcoin to 1 million dollars. Then exchange your fractions of bitcoins at the same increments as dollars. If something currently costs 9 dollars and 95 cents it would be 0.00000995 of a bitcoin since you are now using all 8 decimal places. Since each bitcoin transaction carries with it a small transaction fee you can now write off all of your purchases at a loss.
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Ah, still it's there.  You can easily tell a miner from a holder.

The miners, seem concerned about dropping reward to 10 and they should be.   Dropping that dramatically, one single aspect, is likely to forever drive miners away.  
The traders, seem excited about dropping reward to 10 and they should be.   Everyone whom held X amount of coins based on current mint rate / would "hypothetically" have 5 times more "weight".

I had posted on the UTC forum;  a hopeful compromise to accomplish nearly the same thing without such a large miner shock.  In the end, it's rather semantics as to which method would be preferred.
 I had suggested:
-Shortening the Time for POS to 6 or 3 months,
-Increasing the time between N targets by 2 at minimum,
-Increasing block time to 45 seconds
-Dropping reward to  25 slowly in 5 coin increments over a few days each.

This could all be done in one single fork and changed in a systematic fashion for subtle adjustment.  If POS, N factor and block time were all changed at once to start (while coding coin drop) there would be no need to fork again later.  As well,  lengthening the N targets and shortening stake reward will help to attract miners / holders;  offsetting some of the "shock" from the change.   In a few days to week, the coin per block could drop at set intervals, allowing the market to adjust.  There are tangible, viable reasons to extend block time slightly which were provided on the forum.   UTC is not currently the fastest, nor would it be over a longer period of time;  this should not be held onto as some "unique" concept to UTC.


I only point this out here, so possibly those who don't see the forum can give their take on this.  Personally I would have a very hard time mining if it was 10 per block.  There is almost no chance I would mine after next N change in less than 2 weeks.  There's a snowball chance in heck, that I (nor most) would mine after December when reward would go to 5.

If both variations of these suggestions were released as a new coin;  I doubt there would be much question which people would mine.

Coin A:
-100 million total coins  
-Fast N targeting scrypt-jane
-POS 20% in 12 months
-10 coin reward
-Halving in 11 months
-30 second blocks

Coin B:
-100 Million total coins
-Slow N targeting scrypt-chacha
-POS 5% in 3 months
-25 coin reward
-Halving in 11 months
-45 second blocks


With the multipool Idea,  I'm completely against it in any forms.  (though I may be the only one)

There are 2 main precepts for "what makes a crypto, crypto".
1.  A decentralized network of peers with no connection or trust to each other.
2.  A system of verifying and validating transactions, safely and securely.

Ancillary to this, is the coin reward.  Satoshi understood and commented that there has to be a reason / incentive for the network to get support and security without any underlying current value.  The coin reward is the way he accomplished this.  The reason block rewards drop when they do;  is because the network was intended be large enough by each drop to warrant continued mining.  When rewards stop, the only way people would still mine;  is if there was large / global adoption and transaction fees (by that time) would nearly equal (or be greater to) the rewards from the last blocks.  If BTC is not used in any great degree nor has any great value by the time coin reward ends;  then BTC would be dead, as 1. and 2. above cannot occur.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.329
Right.  Otherwise we couldn't have a finite limit of 21 million coins, because there would always need to be some minimum reward for generating.  In a few decades when the reward gets too small, the transaction fee will become the main compensation for nodes.  I'm sure that in 20 years there will either be very large transaction volume or no volume.

The main point here, is that you are essentially bypassing the core aspects of crypto entirely (1 and 2 above) and could never have security.   In fact, the multipool is quite detrimental to a coin;  as if it ever gains any "real" value, it would cost almost nothing to break with such low hash rate.  Also, the mulitpool does not solve our low difficutly / miners currently; nor would it have any affect on it.  Whenever you stop the multipool, then you are stuck back at the same place we are now;  and thus would "solve" nothing.  Well, I guess, most technically you would have helped the security and value of whatever coins you mined instead of UTC.

   The only reason BC has gotten away with it, is because there are no more miners and it would be dead otherwise.  However, again this just serves the traders / stake holders and they would be happy to run this as long as there are fools greater to keep it going.  Again though;  there can be NO long term viability for the coin as it does not promote, encourage, or have the core crypto concepts.


These are just thoughts and I'm not saying "it must be this way".

Whatever is chosen,  please, first consider that you are trying to Encourage network size (strength) for long-term growth and viability.  This should be the most important aspect, if we truly want the coin to survive many years to come.

Thanks Protagonus, this is an outstanding post that should really be included in some sort of FAQ as it would avoid to lost touch with reality.
You're really helping a lot here and I'm really grateful you take so much time to help people out. This is invaluable, if not precious.
Take care.

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ok yea , i stand corrected, i think some are just a tidbit slower and didnt look in detail, checking now seems all are on approx the same block, so guess no fork... still strange no coins are getting confirmed... Tongue
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Plz check nitro2. All TRANSACTION  --- Unconfirmed
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http://ultracoin.net/ - Ultracoin Website http://c

i checked about 5 pools and not all were on the same block... I wonder what block nitro1 is on, can someone confirm nitro1 and 2 are on the same block? i've stopped mining utc for a bit as i feel something's not right here >.< hope its just a slow server tho , but i somehow doubt it Tongue


NITRO2:
Next Network Block    148561    (Current: 148560)
Last Block Found    148556

NITRO:
Next Network Block    148561    (Current: 148560)
Last Block Found    148558

LEETPOOLS:
Next Network Block    148561    (Current: 148560)
Last Block Found    148418

good JOB
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i checked about 5 pools and not all were on the same block... I wonder what block nitro1 is on, can someone confirm nitro1 and 2 are on the same block? i've stopped mining utc for a bit as i feel something's not right here >.< hope its just a slow server tho , but i somehow doubt it Tongue


NITRO2:
Next Network Block    148561    (Current: 148560)
Last Block Found    148556

NITRO:
Next Network Block    148561    (Current: 148560)
Last Block Found    148558

LEETPOOLS:
Next Network Block    148561    (Current: 148560)
Last Block Found    148418
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something wrong with nitro2 i think?
no payout for long time, huge amount of unconfirmed coins.. fork? or just slow backend?

edit: seems like quite a few pools are forked... cant look at blockstats from nitro1 tho (as i cant reg there)... no idea what the right current block # is... what i do know is that this sucks =[ but yea i guess that's what happens when no one gives a shit about pool distribution >.<

checked a few pools.  all on same block, so no forks.  no worries there.

I have been mining on Nitro2 since start, to help support the pool and network.   I notice unconfirmed coins now as well.   Judging from the number of unconfirmed, it appears to have started around the time of promotion rewards going out.   I assume it's some issue related to this, that caused it.   I'm sure stuhlman will fix it shortly.



i checked about 5 pools and not all were on the same block... I wonder what block nitro1 is on, can someone confirm nitro1 and 2 are on the same block? i've stopped mining utc for a bit as i feel something's not right here >.< hope its just a slow server tho , but i somehow doubt it Tongue
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something wrong with nitro2 i think?
no payout for long time, huge amount of unconfirmed coins.. fork? or just slow backend?

edit: seems like quite a few pools are forked... cant look at blockstats from nitro1 tho (as i cant reg there)... no idea what the right current block # is... what i do know is that this sucks =[ but yea i guess that's what happens when no one gives a shit about pool distribution >.<

checked a few pools.  all on same block, so no forks.  no worries there.

I have been mining on Nitro2 since start, to help support the pool and network.   I notice unconfirmed coins now as well.   Judging from the number of unconfirmed, it appears to have started around the time of promotion rewards going out.   I assume it's some issue related to this, that caused it.   I'm sure stuhlman will fix it shortly.

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After various requests, for those that may be interested, I've just added Ultracoin to https://altoutlet.com/utc

Just over 8k products for sale, with free international delivery.
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mean while I have doubled my money on UTCdIce Tongue

thanx, now I am addicted ...  Shocked
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hehe
Wow cool browsing site now lol
Ultra coin is the best.
Bookmarked.

Site should be added to http://ultracoin.net/shop.html
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something wrong with nitro2 i think?
no payout for long time, huge amount of unconfirmed coins.. fork? or just slow backend?

edit: seems like quite a few pools are forked... cant look at blockstats from nitro1 tho (as i cant reg there)... no idea what the right current block # is... what i do know is that this sucks =[ but yea i guess that's what happens when no one gives a shit about pool distribution >.<
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Just figured out why I can't login to cryptosextoys.  

The link in the website is https://www.cryptosextoys.com it should be http://www.cryptosextoys.com.

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wow I wish I mined BC harder now

I only used my desktop rig with 1x R9 290  for a few hrs during its launch ... the coins now worth $200 ...

a bit like karma coin I used 1x rig on that during its launch and sold nxt day for $800  when it hit exchange


have not sold UTC yet .. only been buying it when it goes under 1 ... thrown so much BTC  at it its not really funny any more  

still waiting for my BC to hit exchange so i can sell it for UTC Tongue

in the mean time my UTC arrived quickly at UTCdice ... lets see if my gambling is better then trading Tongue

slight problem with the game .... its got an 5 UTC bet win limit .... I normally go for the high risk stuff ... with higher payout ... don't place bids above difficulty 6 or else all you get is 5 UTC

I was going to roll payput 50x .... for 49 UTC ... funny thing is I actually had heaps of high rolls over 98.4 ... could had quad droopled my money if it wasn't for the 5 UTC limit Tongue




*edit* more ranting ... why isn't UTC worth MORE !!!!



its 1 hr PAST my bed time and BC still has not hit mint pal exchange for me to dump :S



mean while I have doubled my money on UTCdIce Tongue
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After various requests, for those that may be interested, I've just added Ultracoin to https://altoutlet.com/utc

Just over 8k products for sale, with free international delivery.

Great stuff!
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After various requests, for those that may be interested, I've just added Ultracoin to https://altoutlet.com/utc

Just over 8k products for sale, with free international delivery.

+1
I love it.

Wow cool browsing site now lol
Ultra coin is the best.
Bookmarked.

Site should be added to http://ultracoin.net/shop.html
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