Topic: [ANN] [banned mixer] | Best Bitcoin Mixer | Extra Layer of Privacy by XMR Bridge - page 6. (Read 3813 times)

We do not send the Monero to a platform but we generate these wallets. You can do this in an automated way for example with the Monero CLI wallet or in other ways that do not depend on any centralized online service. 

Furthermore there is no way to know if you have received Monero that has been used for laundering since there is no AML test for this crypto possible.

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Hello, cyphertrace says they can trace transactions but I don't think they have ever been able to prove it in real life. The 3.6 billion dollar case proves it because if you read it correctly the authorities were only able to trace the funds by a stroke of luck.

In fact the FBI and DEA arrested the administrator of Alphabay, and had access to all the private keys of the wallets. What is detailed in the article is that some of the money was sent to an Alphabay account in an attempt to launder it which then makes the connection. But another part was sent to a monero account via an exchange and the account had attempted to pass KYC with fake Russian paper ... so the result is that the exchange automatically blocked the funds. In the end they only stopped the individuals through Alphabay and not through Monero.

Finally last August a Hard Fork further strengthened the privacy of Monero.

https://ciphertrace.com/ciphertrace-announces-worlds-first-monero-tracing-capabilities/
https://www.kitco.com/news/2022-10-19/Crypto-is-easily-tracked-and-not-as-anonymous-as-you-think-Michal-Gromek.html
https://www.wired.com/story/bitcoin-seizure-record-doj-crypto-tracing-monero/

so as far I know, some authorities can track XMR. Probably big CEX's as well. I don't know how, but it is traceable

It still makes no sense how the mixing procedure is being done as we can track on blockchain the source of our funds easily using mixero

Though I have heard about it several times, I have not tried it because the occasion has not arisen, I have mostly been in trading, but I might need it since I will be moving to another continent with stricter regulations in the future.

Similar to any other bitcoin mixers, enter your receiving BTC address, choose between the fees (slow=>fast), send the amount you wish to mix and thats all.
You'll get a lot of mixing guides on google/youtube. Just gotta search for it.
Btw, being a hero Im not sure why you havent tried or heard of bitcoin mixers (dont know how to use it) yet? Pretty long time in crypto.

Is there a tutorial for new users? There may be a difference in the mode of operation between the new project and existing platforms. 

Is what your service is trying to provide different from the following scenario:

 - I will create an account in a non KYC CEX/DEX, deposit the bitcoin.
 - Convert Bitcoin to Monero.
 - Send Monero to another platform that does not require KYC, such as KuCoin
 - Convert Monero to Bitcoin.
 - I withdraw bitcoins to my wallet.

Costs will be less than $10.

If so, the platforms may track these currencies because the Monero deposit is suspicious.
In addition, if you receive money from activities such as money laundering, your account may be frozen.

The reason why this would not make sense is very clear and to prove you wrong, we are committed to hiring an audit for our service as you say.

We are doing our best to improve our service based on people's opinions. In addition we have been working on a new method that we have just released.

We encourage people to use it and give us feedback you can send the lowest amount which is 0.0005 BTC (10$).

As I have seen your service and have used it to test, I believe you are lying and missleading customers with this breakthrough technology.

What about hiring an audit for your mixing service?

It makes no sense what are you talking.

Coinjoin fees are now linked to the speed of processing. The new advanced method considerably improves anonymity.

We have explained it in detail before, here is the detailed explanation:

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This way of mixing is a method rarely seen in the world of crypto mixers. Indeed this one is based on swapping, BTC->XMR->BTC. After exchanging your funds into XMR the funds will go through automatically generated wallets which are not linked to any exchange making it virtually «impossible» to trace.

An on-chain analysis is not possible because Monero is a privacy-based crypto and it is not possible to track these transactions on the blockchain. All links to the Monero addresses of the exchanges will be broken, as the funds will go through several Monero wallet. Also no correlation can be made with the amount of funds that will be exchanged from Monero to Bitcoin since the funds will be split into random pieces.

After that the funds will finally be exchanged back into BTC with transiting through some wallet and finally arriving at your destination address.
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Have a nice day !

What technologies are you talking about? Without a detailed explanation it will be difficult to trust what you are saying.
But let me make a simple comparison. The highest fee is 2.4% in Coinjoin option and about 2% in the advanced option. Does this mean that Coinjoin highest fees option gives higher privacy than advanced option? If the answer is no, then the higher privacy should be with the higher fees (in other words lower your Coinjoin fast fees,) right?

Can this be enabled with switch from Coinjoin to Advanced, and how fast is this method compared to standard option you offer?
I think you should enable more information about this, maybe when hovered over word Advanced, or something similar.

I can't find this information anywhere on your website, and there is no mention about Monero being used in this process.

Update:

We are pleased to announce our new mixing method.
It is based on swapping to Monero and other mixing techniques.

The minmum amount to send is 0.0005 BTC and the maximum amount is 5 BTC. We take a fixed fee of 2% and this will be the only fee compared to our basic method which takes 0.0005 BTC fixed + service fee.

We encourage people to test it and give us feedback. We recommend its use because of the obfuscation efficiency that this method brings.

Have a nice day!

My apologies for this late review, I briefly explained my problem to the manager.

I am surprised that when opening the official site, I get a MetaMask Phishing Detection warning. Tried on Chrome, Firefox and Brave it's the same everywhere.


This page points me to CryptoScamDB but I didn't find anything in that database about [banned mixer].
anyway, I ignored it and continued to the site.

To begin with, a very simple page. I support the simple and minimal design and [banned mixer] is certainly that. maybe even too simple, some info hints would be useful, just so that the user is informed in which part of the process he is.



I send 0.0022BTC, choosing the lowest fee of 0.5%. very quickly I received confirmation that the transaction was detected and after 1 hour received exactly 0.00172645 BTC. Now I am not sure how is calculated 0.5% (of 0.0022)=0.00047355.
I saw in some discussion in this thread that there is a fixed fee of 0.0005 plus the service fee... but I can't calculate which fee is exactly included in my case.

before the transaction, I think there should definitely be some informative part here. For example, what amount can I expect after mixing and the expected time for the completion of the process.

also, why there is no temporary key or link here? in case I close the page, I can no longer return to the same page with the transaction process.

I downloaded the Letter of Guarantee, but there is not much information or confirmation in it, except for the address to which I should send the funds. For example, the address I set up with the receipt of the coin does not appear anywhere, and I have no proof of it. if something unplanned happens, it can be very complicated to further proof. certainly does not instil confidence in the security of the service.

About Privacy: however, I could hardly give a passing grade here. it is not difficult at all to track the entire transaction, because only two addresses were promised and practically the same coins that I sent were returned to me. (minus fees of course)

So, I send 0.0022 to 34WMBPP4GoQKNTVE4GeLLGrkBNTyJmwCgn
after that, the amount was divided into two almost identical amounts and moved to 1Coj6kLgtmf8QHsjFkwVGTuhYqunAFP79g and 1F4rN4naRNGEwHnVq48sUhUmwt16uFPpvz
from there put together again to 3L96i8wTKAgE5h53ZtJZS64CimFRhdHc4z and finally to the final destination, my receiving address.

honestly, this was very easy to follow. plus the separation into two identical halves and then rejoining it is almost obvious that it is coin mixing.
I would say that this is only a test phase, and my final impression is that there is still a lot of work to be done to finalize the product.

Hello, yes we use several addresses for Bitcoin and Monero.

Kind regards.

Do you plan to use multiple addresses only for Bitcoin, or both for Monero and Bitcoin?
We can also do this manually so I would have to compare fees that are spent like that with fees paid on mixero website, to see if it is worth of risk.
As for address reuse, nobody who is mixing Bitcoin is not that crazy to use exchange receiving address or doing addresses reuse, but I was not asking about that.

Hello thank you for your comment, indeed a swap with 2 steps automatically is rather rare generally that stops at a swap between 2 crypto and thus at a step.

What makes us unique is that between each swap the funds go through several addresses before being exchanged again. This makes it difficult to identify the link between these wallets.

Also, while an on-chain analysis is possible for BTC addresses after swaps, the question of how to link addresses before the XMR swap and those after is very difficult.

We recommend all users to create a new BTC address as destination address. Because using an exchange address with a verified KYC for example is a bad idea.

Have a nice day!

I don0t think this method is rarely seen.
I already seen this swap being done on other websites in a manual way, and one website is even offering this automatically conversion already (I won't advertise it here publicly).
However, source of ''mixed'' Bitcoin that is sent to receiving address is not clear to me, and how is this any different than other mixers.

On-chain analysis is still going to be available for Bitcoin that is sent both ways, and unless you have freshly mined coins it's not going to be impossible to make connection, especially if there is connection with sent and received Bitcoin.

Hello everyone, a new way to mix your funds should be available in the coming days. This way will not cost any extra fee except the service fee unlike the current method (0.0005BTC per address + Service fees).

This way of mixing is a method rarely seen in the world of crypto mixers. Indeed this one is based on swapping, BTC->XMR->BTC. After exchanging your funds into XMR the funds will go through automatically generated wallets which are not linked to any exchange making it virtually «impossible» to trace.

An on-chain analysis is not possible because Monero is a privacy-based crypto and it is not possible to track these transactions on the blockchain. All links to the Monero addresses of the exchanges will be broken, as the funds will go through several Monero wallet. Also no correlation can be made with the amount of funds that will be exchanged from Monero to Bitcoin since the funds will be split into random pieces.

After that the funds will finally be exchanged back into BTC with transiting through some wallet and finally arriving at your destination address.

A message will be published to announce the release of this method.

Have a nice day!

I think it is necessary to work on resolving this problem and verifying whether it is the same problem with phone users. Only that I was able to dispense with a large market of users and potential customers. Metamask has millions of users and you can imagine their opinions about Mixer when you see this page.

You received the bitcoin once the transaction received a second network confirmation. Are all operations sent immediately after the second confirmation, or does this vary by deducting the fees that each user will pay?

I see that this information should be shown on the home page in the fees field. There is no sense in placing it on the "About" page, because you should expect that the user will not visit that page because of his confidence in your service, and even if he visits it once, he will not necessarily remember every piece of information. When he discovers that an additional fee has been deducted without it appearing in the Mix process, do not expect him to return to using the Mixer.