Topic: [ANN] Bitcoin Foundation - page 14. (Read 127639 times)

I'm pretty certain I'm on some kind of terror suspect list. I got singled out by the electronic passport machine (which happened to none of the other about 60 persons I watched go through the face scanners) when I went to London for a Bitcoin Conference. The UK police inspector who inspected my passport data after I got "pulled over" looked at me in disbelief, then let me pass. Same thing happened when I went back into germany (no face scanner, but customs officials looked at me in disbelief after scanning my passport). So there's some note on my passport ("money laundry suspect" or "suspicion of terrorism" or whatever). I support(ed) Ron Paul, watch libertarian, metal-bug and conspiracy theory videos on youtube and habitually voice opinions that might be considered suspicious all around the net. I make no secret of my identity either.

I also use bitcoin!

I have to say that I don't like them using the name "The Bitcoin Foundation" even if it is essentially only used as a company name. It still matters and it's not good, it's sort of an attempt to make it "the authority" on Bitcoin without actually earning that position first. I would vote on changing the name and removing the "the" part.

I hope members can create "bills" for issues that need to be discussed and possibly put to a member vote. This is one of those issues that will pop up. If not by someone else, then by me.

Yes you dummies, don't look at what our legal papers say, just look at the sign on the door, it's all there.. See? We don't pretend to assert anything, we're just a foundation, you can have your own!   

Is there an example where there are multiple foundations for the same thing?

True, but the face of the company is "Bitcoin Foundation". I doubt many bitcoin newbies will be digging through the legal papers and bylaws. I think the legitimacy factor is more for the big players, not so much the consumers.

The bylaws have it as "THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC."

I have named it as "THE Bitcoin Foundation" in many of my posts, with THE in capitals mainly to emphasize how I felt the people behind TBF present themselves and their foundation at the moment.
That doesn't mean I care bout the word "the" at all. It doesn't matter if they call it "Bitcoin Foundation" or "The Bitcoin Foundation". What matters is the things they state to stand for, combined with the name they chose for it. That is what a lot of people seem to disagree with.

People sure were having a lot of problems with the "THE" though, turns out it never explicitely existed. It obviously shouldn't be referred to as "The Bitcoin Foudation", though there certainly are better names than "Bitcoin Foundation".

No, a lot of people seem to be hung up on the words that come after "THE".

 Im just pointing out that they didnt use "The Bitcoin Foundation" as the domain name.

Since it is the nature of threads like these that critics will be louder than supporters I just wanna chime in to say that I support this organization and believe that it'll be a good thing for Bitcoin. Thanks for the work you put into this guys.

A lot of people seem to be hung up on the word "THE". From what I can see it is only referred to as "The Bitcoin Foundation" in Gavin's post, on the site it is just "Bitcoin Foundation". Perhaps one of the founders can confirm that they will use the name "Bitcoin Foundation" without the "The"?

A foundation is a thing, hence "the" foundation. Bitcoin just states that this particular foundation (the foundation) is about bitcoin. So that kinda naturally becomes the bitcoin foundation.

The exchange handles Fiat. As much as I would like MtGox to not care about AML or KYC, I'm not going to give the CEO shit for it.

Where does it say it is The Bitcoin Foundation? Where is that coming from? In most (well, all afaik) places it's simply "Bitcoin Foundation".

I'm curious about this because there is some conflicting information on this. Some people refer to it as The Foundation, but in most places it is actually written as simply Bitcoin Foundation.

It's bitcoinfoundation.org.

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 thebitcoinfoundation.org isnt actually registered yet 

And a lead dev who owns the git access and is a founding member and a member of the board of directors for the next two years is a conflict of interest.

And the organization is not for profit which means it can't go bankrupt should it provide a crappy service as long as big businesses are prepared to open their purse they can operate indefinitely. (a scary thought)

Has TBF described how members identities will be kept safe (i.e. privacy policy) ? Supposedly they will get correlated with dues payments ... or?

Although, it would be a good test of bitcoin (the software not the foundation) if such a big, fat juicy target was subject to take down with mass arrests of members, throw Gavin, Charlie, Garzik, Vessness, etc in jail like Dotcom ... whole nine yards. Kind of like the final "black-start test" an oil rig or refinery has to do before going operational, pull the big plug and see what doesn't work when the switch comes back on.

Add that the CEO of MtGox (with all the problems with anonymity, taint listing, AML shit, KYC shit and arbitrary account freezing in this exchanger) is a founder.

So, summing it up, the foundation has following issues:

1. The name "The Bitcoin Foundation" wrongly suggest that it is the central authority that controls Bitcoin.
2. The hosting company of the BitcoinFoundation.org is (with high probability) a Government-run honeypot.
3. There is no safe way for people to have a vote in the Foundation without giving up their identities (which could prove fatal in case of Bitcoin users are declared terrorists, or government tries to confiscate Bitcoins from them).

Did i miss something ?

@Gavin, @Core Team
Are any of these issues going to be solved ?