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Quote from: Polvos on October 01, 2012, 06:41:10 AM

Here we have it. Grin

Welcome to the new scrutinized Foundation users.

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On top of that, CloudFlare’s CEO Matthew Prince made a weird, glib admission that he decided to start the company only after the Department of Homeland Security gave him a call in 2007 and suggested he take the technology behind Project Honey Pot one step further…

And that makes CloudFlare a whole different story: People who sign up for the service are allowing CloudFlare to monitor, observe and scrutinize all of their site’s traffic, which makes it much easier for intel or law enforcement agencies to collect info on websites and without having to hack or request the logs from each hosting company separately.

Wow. Wonder who decided on the choice of hosting.

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Here we have it. Grin

Welcome to the new scrutinized Foundation users.

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On top of that, CloudFlare’s CEO Matthew Prince made a weird, glib admission that he decided to start the company only after the Department of Homeland Security gave him a call in 2007 and suggested he take the technology behind Project Honey Pot one step further…

And that makes CloudFlare a whole different story: People who sign up for the service are allowing CloudFlare to monitor, observe and scrutinize all of their site’s traffic, which makes it much easier for intel or law enforcement agencies to collect info on websites and without having to hack or request the logs from each hosting company separately.

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And that makes CloudFlare a whole different story: People who sign up for the service are allowing CloudFlare to monitor, observe and scrutinize all of their site’s traffic, which makes it much easier for intel or law enforcement agencies to collect info on websites and without having to hack or request the logs from each hosting company separately.

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Quote from: Raoul Duke on October 01, 2012, 06:20:41 AM

Quote from: ShadowOfHarbringer on October 01, 2012, 06:07:36 AM

Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on October 01, 2012, 02:37:49 AM

Quote from: niko on September 30, 2012, 09:42:49 AM

Quote from: ShadowOfHarbringer on September 30, 2012, 09:19:09 AM

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Quote from: DublinBrian on September 30, 2012, 07:18:11 AM

Quote from: BitcoinFoundation.org

To promote transparency and enforce fair voting procedures, we require a real name and address for Individual members. We will eventually include address and name verification procedures. Please note that member dues paid to records that do not include a real name and mailable address will not be refunded. Thank you!

Why address?

Prevention of double voting can be accomplished using name ID only. There is no need for the foundation to have my home address.

Passports and many national ID cards do not have address on them, so you would need to obtain utility bills for proof of address creating an unnecessary paperwork burden.

I would be happy to verify my name using passport but I will not be supplying my home address. I hope the Foundation could reconsider removing the address requirement from individual membership.

It would be very unwise to hand over your home address.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/6/atfs-latest-gun-grab/

This is dangerous and foolhardy.

Yeah, it's like giving FED/CIA/FBI/MAFIAA all data necessary to imprison all dissidents on a plate (in case they would declare Bitcoin illegal). I do not like this.

This actually works like a honeypot. I wouldn't be surprised if, in case of data leakage (which is quite probable), FBI automatically wiretapped all people on the list...

Shouldn't there be an option of confirming one's Identity in-person ? For example by meeting one of "core members" in a public place ?

This is totally a serious issue, jokes & trolling aside.

Sometimes, reading this forum makes me believe the stupidity that there are actually two sides to choose from, and that I should be working for the CIA, FBI, and the BTF.

This forum is a honeypot, and should remain a honeypot, for paranoid narcissists, instant experts, know-it-all pundits, wannabe criminals, and delusional losers.

You dont think the US would classify people using bitcoin as terrorists ? You havent been paying attention

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/10-ridiculous-things-that-make-you.html

Of course they would.
Nowadays, everybody who doesn't think like sheep & behave like sheep is a terrorist.

Regardless of what is The Bitcoin Foundation normal function, it will act **LIKE** a honeypot, in case they declare that Bitcoin users are terrorists and start arresting.

Also, all the servers are in US, so it would be TRIVIAL for any law enforcement to get to the foolish ones who willingly offered their IPs & home addresses.

Quote from: #whois 50.97.137.52 (bitcointalk.org)

OrgName: SoftLayer Technologies Inc.
OrgId: SOFTL
Address: 4849 Alpha Rd.
City: Dallas
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 75244
Country: US
RegDate: 2005-10-26
Updated: 2012-01-27
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/SOFTL

Quote from: #whois 108.162.203.74 (bitcoinfoundation.org)

OrgName: CloudFlare, Inc.
OrgId: CLOUD14
Address: 665 Third Street #207
City: San Francisco
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 94107
Country: US
RegDate: 2010-07-09
Updated: 2011-11-03
Comment: http://www.cloudflare.com/
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/CLOUD14

Oh, MEGA LOL. Cloudflare is an honeypot on it's own.
http://exiledonline.com/isucker-big-brother-internet-culture/
http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/27/cloudflare-ceo-our-marketing-strategy-is-sign-up-all-of-the-worlds-international-criminals-tctv/

OMFG o_O !

It seems i was one order of magnitude more right, than i thought.

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Quote from: ShadowOfHarbringer on October 01, 2012, 06:07:36 AM

Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on October 01, 2012, 02:37:49 AM

Quote from: niko on September 30, 2012, 09:42:49 AM

Quote from: ShadowOfHarbringer on September 30, 2012, 09:19:09 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: DublinBrian on September 30, 2012, 07:18:11 AM

Quote from: BitcoinFoundation.org

To promote transparency and enforce fair voting procedures, we require a real name and address for Individual members. We will eventually include address and name verification procedures. Please note that member dues paid to records that do not include a real name and mailable address will not be refunded. Thank you!

Why address?

Prevention of double voting can be accomplished using name ID only. There is no need for the foundation to have my home address.

Passports and many national ID cards do not have address on them, so you would need to obtain utility bills for proof of address creating an unnecessary paperwork burden.

I would be happy to verify my name using passport but I will not be supplying my home address. I hope the Foundation could reconsider removing the address requirement from individual membership.

It would be very unwise to hand over your home address.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/6/atfs-latest-gun-grab/

This is dangerous and foolhardy.

Yeah, it's like giving FED/CIA/FBI/MAFIAA all data necessary to imprison all dissidents on a plate (in case they would declare Bitcoin illegal). I do not like this.

This actually works like a honeypot. I wouldn't be surprised if, in case of data leakage (which is quite probable), FBI automatically wiretapped all people on the list...

Shouldn't there be an option of confirming one's Identity in-person ? For example by meeting one of "core members" in a public place ?

This is totally a serious issue, jokes & trolling aside.

Sometimes, reading this forum makes me believe the stupidity that there are actually two sides to choose from, and that I should be working for the CIA, FBI, and the BTF.

This forum is a honeypot, and should remain a honeypot, for paranoid narcissists, instant experts, know-it-all pundits, wannabe criminals, and delusional losers.

You dont think the US would classify people using bitcoin as terrorists ? You havent been paying attention

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/10-ridiculous-things-that-make-you.html

Of course they would.
Nowadays, everybody who doesn't think like sheep & behave like sheep is a terrorist.

Regardless of what is The Bitcoin Foundation normal function, it will act **LIKE** a honeypot, in case they declare that Bitcoin users are terrorists and start arresting.

Also, all the servers are in US, so it would be TRIVIAL for any law enforcement to get to the foolish ones who willingly offered their IPs & home addresses.

Quote from: #whois 50.97.137.52 (bitcointalk.org)

OrgName: SoftLayer Technologies Inc.
OrgId: SOFTL
Address: 4849 Alpha Rd.
City: Dallas
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 75244
Country: US
RegDate: 2005-10-26
Updated: 2012-01-27
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/SOFTL

Quote from: #whois 108.162.203.74 (bitcoinfoundation.org)

OrgName: CloudFlare, Inc.
OrgId: CLOUD14
Address: 665 Third Street #207
City: San Francisco
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 94107
Country: US
RegDate: 2010-07-09
Updated: 2011-11-03
Comment: http://www.cloudflare.com/
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/CLOUD14

Oh, MEGA LOL. Cloudflare is an honeypot on it's own.
http://exiledonline.com/isucker-big-brother-internet-culture/
http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/27/cloudflare-ceo-our-marketing-strategy-is-sign-up-all-of-the-worlds-international-criminals-tctv/

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Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on October 01, 2012, 02:37:49 AM

Quote from: niko on September 30, 2012, 09:42:49 AM

Quote from: ShadowOfHarbringer on September 30, 2012, 09:19:09 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: DublinBrian on September 30, 2012, 07:18:11 AM

Quote from: BitcoinFoundation.org

To promote transparency and enforce fair voting procedures, we require a real name and address for Individual members. We will eventually include address and name verification procedures. Please note that member dues paid to records that do not include a real name and mailable address will not be refunded. Thank you!

Why address?

Prevention of double voting can be accomplished using name ID only. There is no need for the foundation to have my home address.

Passports and many national ID cards do not have address on them, so you would need to obtain utility bills for proof of address creating an unnecessary paperwork burden.

I would be happy to verify my name using passport but I will not be supplying my home address. I hope the Foundation could reconsider removing the address requirement from individual membership.

It would be very unwise to hand over your home address.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/6/atfs-latest-gun-grab/

This is dangerous and foolhardy.

Yeah, it's like giving FED/CIA/FBI/MAFIAA all data necessary to imprison all dissidents on a plate (in case they would declare Bitcoin illegal). I do not like this.

This actually works like a honeypot. I wouldn't be surprised if, in case of data leakage (which is quite probable), FBI automatically wiretapped all people on the list...

Shouldn't there be an option of confirming one's Identity in-person ? For example by meeting one of "core members" in a public place ?

This is totally a serious issue, jokes & trolling aside.

Sometimes, reading this forum makes me believe the stupidity that there are actually two sides to choose from, and that I should be working for the CIA, FBI, and the BTF.

This forum is a honeypot, and should remain a honeypot, for paranoid narcissists, instant experts, know-it-all pundits, wannabe criminals, and delusional losers.

You dont think the US would classify people using bitcoin as terrorists ? You havent been paying attention

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/10-ridiculous-things-that-make-you.html

Of course they would.
Nowadays, everybody who doesn't think like sheep & behave like sheep is a terrorist.

Regardless of what is The Bitcoin Foundation normal function, it will act **LIKE** a honeypot, in case they declare that Bitcoin users are terrorists and start arresting.

Also, all the servers are in US, so it would be TRIVIAL for any law enforcement to get to the foolish ones who willingly offered their IPs & home addresses.

Quote from: #whois 50.97.137.52 (bitcointalk.org)

OrgName: SoftLayer Technologies Inc.
OrgId: SOFTL
Address: 4849 Alpha Rd.
City: Dallas
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 75244
Country: US
RegDate: 2005-10-26
Updated: 2012-01-27
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/SOFTL

Quote from: #whois 108.162.203.74 (bitcoinfoundation.org)

OrgName: CloudFlare, Inc.
OrgId: CLOUD14
Address: 665 Third Street #207
City: San Francisco
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 94107
Country: US
RegDate: 2010-07-09
Updated: 2011-11-03
Comment: http://www.cloudflare.com/
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/CLOUD14

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It seems the "TBF" (the big fail) supporters first order of business has been to denigrate anybody who is questioning them as "tinfoil hatters", "whingers" and etc.

Basically, suppressing dissent by ad hominen, smear and belittling, from what I can tell. If you are not with them you are against them ... or if you really want to change things you have to join them to be against them ... gotta love that logic.

Bitcoin, the trust no-one money.

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Quote from: Atlas on October 01, 2012, 04:34:20 AM

This FUD still has served its purpose. They will now think twice in regards to what they do.

I have to say that I agree with this. Opposing views are good in the sense that it will definitely keep them on their toes.

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This FUD still has served its purpose. They will now think twice in regards to what they do.

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Are you serious? No core developers commented on that thread. Only developers of other clients did. And they are not against the foundation and basically think you're spreading paranoid FUD.

Bitcoin Foundation is here and no one can stop it from being here (and that is good). You either support it as a member and try to shape it into an organization that is good for Bitcoin, or you don't support it and spread FUD. Apparently.

I personally think there is also the third option which is to stay neutral until the Foundation _actually does something_. And it will do something. Nothing anyone says here will stop the Foundation, trust me on that. Only if they do something stupid through their actions, will it get serious opposition.

Personally I'm supporting the Foundation 100%, giving them the benefit of the doubt so to speak. Until I'm not. Their actions will speak the language I want to hear, eventually. Talk is just talk, although I've been very impressed with their talk and less impressed with the paranoid FUD.

Polvos

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Quote from: The_Duke on October 01, 2012, 04:00:22 AM

See this thread for how the core developers seem to feel about TBF. They seem to WANT their client to be the only supported one and seem to feel that their work is the only one that should be supported by TBF.
Very sad to see Sad

Thanks for the link. I'll jump there to read and, probably, install too a "rogue" client. This is becoming sadder day after day.

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See this thread for how the core developers seem to feel about TBF. They seem to WANT their client to be the only supported one and seem to feel that their work is the only one that should be supported by TBF.
Very sad to see Sad

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Quote from: The_Duke on October 01, 2012, 03:40:55 AM

No it isn't. The vast majority of the world, and thus the vast majority of potential new mining power is at the moment a newbie. The newbie of now is the bitcoin of the future. As you state yourself, it is what "the miner" chooses that will determine the future of bitcoin. The newbie IS the miner. So an organisation that manages to trick newbies into thinking that they are THE organisation to look to when learning about bitcoin has a lot (too much) of power to determine where bitcoin is headed.

That's what i said in one of my earliest posts. Control the newcomers and, someday, you will control the majority of the network.

The Foundation acting as a honeypot is the real danger here. Newcomers in the Foundation are required to leave their anonimity under the present, and more important, the future USA laws. That's dangerous.

How many time until a Foundation critical mass of users start giving their bitcoin transactions more value than ours just because they left anonimity behind? How many time until "first class deanonymized certified coins" and "second class rogue certified coins"?

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Quote from: Melbustus on October 01, 2012, 02:50:37 AM

Even if that were correct, as stated, newbie visibility is a minor factor.

No it isn't. The vast majority of the world, and thus the vast majority of potential new mining power is at the moment a newbie. The newbie of now is the bitcoin of the future. As you state yourself, it is what "the miner" chooses that will determine the future of bitcoin. The newbie IS the miner. So an organisation that manages to trick newbies into thinking that they are THE organisation to look to when learning about bitcoin has a lot (too much) of power to determine where bitcoin is headed.

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Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on October 01, 2012, 02:37:49 AM

You dont think the US would classify people using bitcoin as terrorists ? You havent been paying attention

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/10-ridiculous-things-that-make-you.html

U r right!

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Own Precious Metals -- Despite the fact that the Federal Reserve paper note (a.k.a. the dollar) is only sustained by faith, you could now be a suspected terrorist if you would like to preserve your wealth with something that holds real value like precious metals. And forget about establishing an alternative currency made from silver or gold like Bernard von NotHaus as you may be lumped into a "unique form of terrorism."

Satoshi used analogy to gold. We r all suspected now. Some of us even sent their real identities to "TBF".

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Quote from: The_Duke on October 01, 2012, 02:25:44 AM

Quote from: Melbustus on October 01, 2012, 02:07:46 AM

Quote from: The_Duke on October 01, 2012, 01:21:29 AM

The problem is that after a few months, it will be hard to undo the damage TBF will have caused. In a few months, TBF will have such a lead on any new organization that such a new organisation would be fighting a lost battle. Newbies will not dig deep in history to find out how this foundation came into being. They will see THE bitcoin foundation with THE lead developer on board, with THE leading exchange on board, defining THE certifications and THE specifications for bitcoin and will stop looking there.
Even if officially nothing is centralized, just the way this whole thing is set up will lead to centralization because it abuses the lazyness/ignorance of the masses. And this is done on purpose.

Nah, as I noted, if there was another org with some big pool operators, devs from other clients, other businesses, maybe some of the ASIC guys, etc, it would be taken seriously. And people/businesses can certainly support and be prominent in more than one of these entities...

Additionally, newbie visibility is only one factor. The more relevant factor is where most of the hashing power puts their vote. Newbies are not relevant in that context, and besides, newbies only remain newbies for a brief amount of time. They will quickly find other reputable orgs if they exist.

Several years out, it's not going to matter if one org was created 6 months before another...

I think that is a severe underestimation of the simplistic behaviour of the masses. The 6 months matter because of the way the masses flock after the first sheep. The name matters because the first sheep just follow the first thing they see.

Even if that were correct, as stated, newbie visibility is a minor factor.

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Quote from: niko on September 30, 2012, 09:42:49 AM

Quote from: ShadowOfHarbringer on September 30, 2012, 09:19:09 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: DublinBrian on September 30, 2012, 07:18:11 AM

Quote from: BitcoinFoundation.org

To promote transparency and enforce fair voting procedures, we require a real name and address for Individual members. We will eventually include address and name verification procedures. Please note that member dues paid to records that do not include a real name and mailable address will not be refunded. Thank you!

Why address?

Prevention of double voting can be accomplished using name ID only. There is no need for the foundation to have my home address.

Passports and many national ID cards do not have address on them, so you would need to obtain utility bills for proof of address creating an unnecessary paperwork burden.

I would be happy to verify my name using passport but I will not be supplying my home address. I hope the Foundation could reconsider removing the address requirement from individual membership.

It would be very unwise to hand over your home address.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/6/atfs-latest-gun-grab/

This is dangerous and foolhardy.

Yeah, it's like giving FED/CIA/FBI/MAFIAA all data necessary to imprison all dissidents on a plate (in case they would declare Bitcoin illegal). I do not like this.

This actually works like a honeypot. I wouldn't be surprised if, in case of data leakage (which is quite probable), FBI automatically wiretapped all people on the list...

Shouldn't there be an option of confirming one's Identity in-person ? For example by meeting one of "core members" in a public place ?

This is totally a serious issue, jokes & trolling aside.

Sometimes, reading this forum makes me believe the stupidity that there are actually two sides to choose from, and that I should be working for the CIA, FBI, and the BTF.

This forum is a honeypot, and should remain a honeypot, for paranoid narcissists, instant experts, know-it-all pundits, wannabe criminals, and delusional losers.

You dont think the US would classify people using bitcoin as terrorists ? You havent been paying attention

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/10-ridiculous-things-that-make-you.html

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Quote from: The_Duke on October 01, 2012, 01:21:29 AM

The problem is that after a few months, it will be hard to undo the damage TBF will have caused. In a few months, TBF will have such a lead on any new organization that such a new organisation would be fighting a lost battle. Newbies will not dig deep in history to find out how this foundation came into being.

Perhaps if the new organization is named exactly the same that might help a little. Wink

At least, by seeing there are "two foundations", some people might figure out the truth that there's actually no Bitcoin foundation.

Quote from: The_Duke on October 01, 2012, 01:21:29 AM

Even if officially nothing is centralized, just the way this whole thing is set up will lead to centralization because it abuses the lazyness/ignorance of the masses. And this is done on purpose.

I also believe the name was intentionally chosen to trick people. It's a lie in itself, calling it "The Bitcoin Foundation".
Don't know if it will "lead to centralization", that should not be possible. But just by seeing the amount of people which are already donating, we can see that they already have some pretty strong influence.

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Quote from: Melbustus on October 01, 2012, 02:07:46 AM

Quote from: The_Duke on October 01, 2012, 01:21:29 AM

The problem is that after a few months, it will be hard to undo the damage TBF will have caused. In a few months, TBF will have such a lead on any new organization that such a new organisation would be fighting a lost battle. Newbies will not dig deep in history to find out how this foundation came into being. They will see THE bitcoin foundation with THE lead developer on board, with THE leading exchange on board, defining THE certifications and THE specifications for bitcoin and will stop looking there.
Even if officially nothing is centralized, just the way this whole thing is set up will lead to centralization because it abuses the lazyness/ignorance of the masses. And this is done on purpose.

Nah, as I noted, if there was another org with some big pool operators, devs from other clients, other businesses, maybe some of the ASIC guys, etc, it would be taken seriously. And people/businesses can certainly support and be prominent in more than one of these entities...

Additionally, newbie visibility is only one factor. The more relevant factor is where most of the hashing power puts their vote. Newbies are not relevant in that context, and besides, newbies only remain newbies for a brief amount of time. They will quickly find other reputable orgs if they exist.

Several years out, it's not going to matter if one org was created 6 months before another...

I think that is a severe underestimation of the simplistic behaviour of the masses. The 6 months matter because of the way the masses flock after the first sheep. The name matters because the first sheep just follow the first thing they see.

Melbustus

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Quote from: The_Duke on October 01, 2012, 01:21:29 AM

The problem is that after a few months, it will be hard to undo the damage TBF will have caused. In a few months, TBF will have such a lead on any new organization that such a new organisation would be fighting a lost battle. Newbies will not dig deep in history to find out how this foundation came into being. They will see THE bitcoin foundation with THE lead developer on board, with THE leading exchange on board, defining THE certifications and THE specifications for bitcoin and will stop looking there.
Even if officially nothing is centralized, just the way this whole thing is set up will lead to centralization because it abuses the lazyness/ignorance of the masses. And this is done on purpose.

Nah, as I noted, if there was another org with some big pool operators, devs from other clients, other businesses, maybe some of the ASIC guys, etc, it would be taken seriously. And people/businesses can certainly support and be prominent in more than one of these entities...

Additionally, newbie visibility is only one factor. The more relevant factor is where most of the hashing power puts their vote. Newbies are not relevant in that context, and besides, newbies only remain newbies for a brief amount of time. They will quickly find other reputable orgs if they exist.

Several years out, it's not going to matter if one org was created 6 months before another...

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