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Topic: ANN: BITMAIN has Tested Its 28nm Bitcoin Mining Chip BM1382 - page 73. (Read 143992 times)

legendary
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ex uno plures

The buy and sell on ebay is valid and ethical.


Well, I don't want to go too far off-topic and start arguing with you about all the opportunistic thugs operating some of the larger on-line markets and payment services, but if you are selling equipment to people for more money than you know it can mine then you are taking advantage of them. I'm sure there are exceptions amongst people who have free electricity. With respect to use of S1 and S3 machines as heaters, its an interesting idea but the case for their deployment really depends on an explosion of BTC/fiat exchange rates that may or may not occur. That is a subject which is probably topic-worthy but in a different thread.

I disagree. Ebay is a reasonable way to judge a paypal-priced value for things, and for people who have no BTC and have no way to easily get BTC paying a 10%+ premium via ebay/paypal is not terrible.

and even if the equipment stops being profitable in 5 months with a $600/BTC, if prices jump to $1000 you can suddenly get another 2 months use and quite likely make a profit. You need to look at the value of the mining equipment both in terms of current market conditions as well as how the market may be in 6 months from now, or a year form now.

If BTC went up to $2000 during July, even the 7w/GH BFL equipment would start coming back online again and making small profits

Well sure. But if the seller thought this was likely to happen it is unlikely they'd be selling their equipment on ebay.

The world is full of people who think it is ok to exploit other people for a profit. Its no different here.
legendary
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ex uno plures
if you are selling equipment to people for more money than you know it can mine then you are taking advantage of them.

Bullshit. Even if there is a screwed-up parallel universe where that statement makes any kind of sense you still can't expect an eBay seller or any other kind of merchant to KNOW and price their products individually to each buyer according to their electric rate and/or their expectation of an unpredictable quantity (i.e. bitcoin difficulty). If the product is advertised with correct specs and delivered on time, the rest is buyer's responsibility.

exactly: The Greater Fool exploit. You could say the same about any company selling their equipment to retail customers for more than it is likely to earn.

legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
So, delivery still delayed?

My S1 need a lil' bro with more GH/s  Grin


well my last 3 s1's will soon roi in btc .  they have done so in usd.

bought when? i calculated ~20-25% ROI in BTC on march batch, plus positive $$ on resale(~$50-70 ea) after considering cost of electricity and power supplies.
Late april S1s-almost ROI in BTC (they are still hashing)
what are ebucks?

I sent a pm explaining ebucks  .


 I will find my purchase id for the 3.  s-1's  

the order was done on may 19  coins were low  .    I will find the tx id

https://blockchain.info/tx/cb0eddf6f2d227e1f8c4bdda507b952e9272d8b417934ce27c6e4e16d980cc18

payment was 1.167 btc ,

 but usd was 520   

these have cleared   516 after power not counting  the name coins earned
full member
Activity: 238
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Kia ora!
If BTC went up to $2000 during July, even the 7w/GH BFL equipment would start coming back online again and making small profits

If it did, the increase in sales of miners to existing and new miners due to the size of the carrot quadrupling, and the resulting rise in difficulty to match would quickly offset any temporary gains in the value of the exchange rate of BTC to cash. All of this has happened before, and it will happen again.
legendary
Activity: 3878
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If BTC went up to $2000 during July, even the 7w/GH BFL equipment would start coming back online again and making small profits

Exactly. Hashrate follows price. I expect the next bubble to hit before the end of the year. Combined with the heating benefits of running miners in winter, the hashrate is going to be crazy high by the end of this year.
legendary
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https://bpip.org
My main gripe with the OP is Bitmain assumes $0.12 per KWH when doing their ROI calculations. For people like me who have to pay $0.29 per kWh and rising this week by another 14%, it's kind of a joke to see $0.12 used as the median electricity price.


Someone should start a poll to see the real price people are paying. Perhaps Bitmain could add power cost as a profile field on their shopping cart.

Not all of us live in China with subsidized electricity prices.


I think a large part of the US falls within the 0.10-0.15 range, it's not just China. At 0.29 you should consider hosting options. Adjusting ROI calculation won't do you any good, just think about that.
legendary
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ASIC Wannabe

The buy and sell on ebay is valid and ethical.


Well, I don't want to go too far off-topic and start arguing with you about all the opportunistic thugs operating some of the larger on-line markets and payment services, but if you are selling equipment to people for more money than you know it can mine then you are taking advantage of them. I'm sure there are exceptions amongst people who have free electricity. With respect to use of S1 and S3 machines as heaters, its an interesting idea but the case for their deployment really depends on an explosion of BTC/fiat exchange rates that may or may not occur. That is a subject which is probably topic-worthy but in a different thread.

I disagree. Ebay is a reasonable way to judge a paypal-priced value for things, and for people who have no BTC and have no way to easily get BTC paying a 10%+ premium via ebay/paypal is not terrible.

and even if the equipment stops being profitable in 5 months with a $600/BTC, if prices jump to $1000 you can suddenly get another 2 months use and quite likely make a profit. You need to look at the value of the mining equipment both in terms of current market conditions as well as how the market may be in 6 months from now, or a year form now.

If BTC went up to $2000 during July, even the 7w/GH BFL equipment would start coming back online again and making small profits
newbie
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Not all of us live in China with subsidized electricity prices.
I live in northern europe and we have 0,12$ residential without any subsidies.
i pay 0,08$ as i got a 1man company registered and get commercial pricing.
newbie
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Bullshit. Even if there is a screwed-up parallel universe where that statement makes any kind of sense you still can't expect an eBay seller or any other kind of merchant to KNOW and price their products individually to each buyer according to their electric rate and/or their expectation of an unpredictable quantity (i.e. bitcoin difficulty). If the product is advertised with correct specs and delivered on time, the rest is buyer's responsibility.


Thank you, you saved me having to write out a pretty much identical post Cheesy
sr. member
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seems to me you know your own power costs and therefore can make your own calculation before buying! It is not bitmains responsibility to know every buyers operating costs. Do your own calculations and make informed purchase decisions.
sr. member
Activity: 252
Merit: 250
My main gripe with the OP is Bitmain assumes $0.12 per KWH when doing their ROI calculations. For people like me who have to pay $0.29 per kWh and rising this week by another 14%, it's kind of a joke to see $0.12 used as the median electricity price.


Someone should start a poll to see the real price people are paying. Perhaps Bitmain could add power cost as a profile field on their shopping cart.

Not all of us live in China with subsidized electricity prices.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
if you are selling equipment to people for more money than you know it can mine then you are taking advantage of them.

Bullshit. Even if there is a screwed-up parallel universe where that statement makes any kind of sense you still can't expect an eBay seller or any other kind of merchant to KNOW and price their products individually to each buyer according to their electric rate and/or their expectation of an unpredictable quantity (i.e. bitcoin difficulty). If the product is advertised with correct specs and delivered on time, the rest is buyer's responsibility.
legendary
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Merit: 4331
So, delivery still delayed?

My S1 need a lil' bro with more GH/s  Grin


well my last 3 s1's will soon roi in btc .  they have done so in usd.

bought when? i calculated ~20-25% ROI in BTC on march batch, plus positive $$ on resale(~$50-70 ea) after considering cost of electricity and power supplies.
Late april S1s-almost ROI in BTC (they are still hashing)
what are ebucks?
legendary
Activity: 4256
Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
So, delivery still delayed?

My S1 need a lil' bro with more GH/s  Grin


well my last 3 s1's will soon roi in btc .  they have done so in usd.
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
So, delivery still delayed?

My S1 need a lil' bro with more GH/s  Grin
legendary
Activity: 4256
Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
Can't wait for Bitmain to start testing shipping of their 28nm products !


would be nice to see this get released. quite a log jam waiting for the gear.
legendary
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Christian Antkow
Can't wait for Bitmain to start testing shipping of their 28nm products !
hero member
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Merit: 1000
THIS JUST IN.......
Antminer S2 ships July 1st $1790 USD.......

Sell S2  Roll Eyes

Hold on to the S3 a bit longer  Cry
full member
Activity: 218
Merit: 100
THIS JUST IN.......
Antminer S2 ships July 1st $1790 USD.......
hero member
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Merit: 504
This is common, similar to what happened during S1 release.
Any who have previous experience and have a bit baby sitting experience for BTT and ASIC with
 a bit of alertness to the changing btc world and know what happens, profit/ROI is there.
I'm not saying the calculators are completely wrong, they are correct if mined btc and BTC value is not changing.
Also note BTC value usually explodes after a long calmness much like the stocks.
If you know how to make a miner ROI, then profit is there, yes ethically.
I don't like to argue with the people says it will not ROI. Because its not the game for everyone.
Now a days, no miner will give ROI if you are leaving it to mine on a pool.
Earlier its a plug and play thing now it need expertise to ROI like any business. Golden times gone for miners.
"If it was easy them, then its free money, but there is no free money anywhere."

If one is a n00b to mining, buy 1ghs from cloud-mining or hosted mining shares and learn yourselves instead of buying an expensive miner.
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