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legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension.
I do like the theory but there is one major thing stopping me from believing it and that is the official statement of the Dutch Financial Intelligence and Investigation Service (FIOD), their official website is www.fiod.nl, and the article regarding seizing Sinbad is found here https://www.fiod.nl/fiod-takes-large-crypto-currency-mixer-off-the-air/ which also contains the same image that was present in Sinbad's website.
The article explicitly says
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The servers of Sinbad.io were seized in the Netherlands and Finland.
I do believe the domain name and servers were seized, but at the time it did sound like the people operating it would continue. Then Admin locked their topic and banned the OP from Bitcointalk, so it ended here.
legendary
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be constructive or S.T.F.U
In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension.

I do like the theory but there is one major thing stopping me from believing it and that is the official statement of the Dutch Financial Intelligence and Investigation Service (FIOD), their official website is www.fiod.nl, and the article regarding seizing Sinbad is found here https://www.fiod.nl/fiod-takes-large-crypto-currency-mixer-off-the-air/ which also contains the same image that was present in Sinbad's website.

The article explicitly says

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The servers of Sinbad.io were seized in the Netherlands and Finland.

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Dutch investigative agencies such as the FIOD will continue to crack down on this. This action aimed at Sinbad.io is a heavy blow to organized crime and also serves as an example and warning to founders and users of similar services.

Then posts the said image.

Strange enough there is no mention of it on the Finnish police website or any other place that is Finnish official.
legendary
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bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
I'll leave this here (regarding Ym/Cr) [google translator should do a great job through the camera].

Unfortunately the power is currently out where I am right now but I will go through all the information including the Russian text (I don't speak Russian) and will take appropriate actions.

Once again, thank you very much for this information.
legendary
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Crypto Swap Exchange
In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension. Which is quite logical... considering that chainalysis reported that after the closure of sinbad that YoMix's turnover increased 5 times. Secondly, this was the first time that a stub was placed in the site’s corporate style (some people appreciated LZ’s humor).


I tend to not agree with this, Sinbad.io(not .onion) was seized and registration data for Sinbad.io similar to what happened with Chipmixer + we have a screenshot from the @fyodnederland account

I would say that what icopress claims is closer to reality than everything that was finally presented here.

Whoever is behind the @fyodnederland account knew things very well on Bitcointalk. The only address recognized as a connection to sinbad is the escrow address from the sig. campaign, with a fairly small amount of around $10k at the time.
The image used as the seizing page and also in @fyodnederland posts is from sinbad Price Prediction Challenge Used only once in this topic.
Not to mention how quickly the @fyodnederland account was registered to post all these things. I got the impression that they posted it here before the people behind sinbad found out that their site was seized.

The only similarity with chipmixer is that the index page on the clearnet site has been replaced.
Unfortunately, theymos banned them so fast, so we did not receive the promised explanation, as well as the announcement that the service will be restored.

I'm not sure if it's just a trick and in the ownership connection of these two mixers, but it certainly looks like a show for those who read Bitcointalk.
legendary
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Thanks for sharing, is the registration for XSS available?


In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension. Which is quite logical... considering that chainalysis reported that after the closure of sinbad that YoMix's turnover increased 5 times. Secondly, this was the first time that a stub was placed in the site’s corporate style (some people appreciated LZ’s humor).


I tend to not agree with this, Sinbad.io(not .onion) was seized and registration data for Sinbad.io similar to what happened with Chipmixer + we have a screenshot from the @fyodnederland account



Back-End and mixer Bitcoins were not confiscated.



As it seemed, they were planning to create .onion sinbad link and turned into darket-Mixer but and after the signature campaign was included in the sanctions list, they used Yomix instead.

legendary
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bitcoindata.science
In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension. Which is quite logical... considering that chainalysis reported that after the closure of sinbad that YoMix's turnover increased 5 times. Secondly, this was the first time that a stub was placed in the site’s corporate style (some people appreciated LZ’s humor).
Thanks for posting screenshots with more information, but I don't understand this last part.
I can't be certain what exactly happened and if something was staged and fake, but I looked for government sources in the time that incident happened.
There was official statement from US state department claiming they sanctioned and seized sinbad, and U think there was even a seizure number posted somewhere:
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"The Federal Bureau of Investigation has seized the service in accordance with a seizure warrant pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 981 and 982 as part of a coordinated international law-enforcement operation."
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1933
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/us-seizes-sinbad-crypto-mixer-used-by-north-korean-lazarus-hackers/

But looking at this again now, and maybe it was just sanctioned, not actually seized.

This is interesting, the US government do not mention the word "seized", they used the word sanctioned.

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WASHINGTON — Today, the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) sanctioned Sinbad.io (Sinbad), a virtual currency mixer that serves as a key money-laundering tool of the OFAC-designated Lazarus Group, a state-sponsored cyber hacking group of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK).

But I remember sinbad saying that they were still operational, even after all that, and then theymos banned the mixers.
copper member
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฿itcoin for all, All for ฿itcoin.
Thanks for posting screenshots with more information, but I don't understand this last part.
I can't be certain what exactly happened and if something was staged and fake, but I looked for government sources in the time that incident happened.
There was official statement from US state department claiming they sanctioned and seized sinbad, and U think there was even a seizure number posted somewhere:
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"The Federal Bureau of Investigation has seized the service in accordance with a seizure warrant pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 981 and 982 as part of a coordinated international law-enforcement operation."
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1933
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/us-seizes-sinbad-crypto-mixer-used-by-north-korean-lazarus-hackers/

But looking at this again now, and maybe it was just sanctioned, not actually seized.
Now this reminds me of the account that registered here and posted about the seizure even before any member in the forum got to know about it.

Could they have premeditated the whole move?  Shocked
legendary
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In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension. Which is quite logical... considering that chainalysis reported that after the closure of sinbad that YoMix's turnover increased 5 times. Secondly, this was the first time that a stub was placed in the site’s corporate style (some people appreciated LZ’s humor).
Thanks for posting screenshots with more information, but I don't understand this last part.
I can't be certain what exactly happened and if something was staged and fake, but I looked for government sources in the time that incident happened.
There was official statement from US state department claiming they sanctioned and seized sinbad, and U think there was even a seizure number posted somewhere:
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"The Federal Bureau of Investigation has seized the service in accordance with a seizure warrant pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 981 and 982 as part of a coordinated international law-enforcement operation."
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1933
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/us-seizes-sinbad-crypto-mixer-used-by-north-korean-lazarus-hackers/

But looking at this again now, and maybe it was just sanctioned, not actually seized.
legendary
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light_warrior ... 🕯️
I'll leave this here (regarding Ym/Cr) [google translator should do a great job through the camera].

XSS is a kind of closed party for hackers, a forum where about 500 users are always online (on Bitcointalk it’s even less). Almost all commercial activities are insured by deposits (deposits that are kept by the forum administrators). As a result, any accusations of fraud are considered by the treasurers (I think you understand that these people have a basic understanding).

YoMix used this forum for advertising for many years and had a deposit of 1 Bitcoin. In addition, the YoMix thread was pinned in the services section. This whole conversation boils down to the fact that after the accusation of fraud was published, and after the treasurer of the forum examined the case, the deposit was confiscated and yomix was banned.



In addition, moderator  xss "bratva" notified everyone that shortly before this, the official YoMix account withdrew a deposit from another forum called "Exploit" (any mixer who wanted to conduct marketing activities had to make a deposit that would cover any claims).

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Among other things, user grozdniyandy reported that the YoMix domain was on the same IP address with some other mixer domains, including digital ones (from which we can conclude that they belong to the same person). A little more than 2 weeks later, the same user reported that YoMix had changed the server.

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There are some more mentions on Reddit, but I think the complaints posted on xss are enough.

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In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension. Which is quite logical... considering that chainalysis reported that after the closure of sinbad that YoMix's turnover increased 5 times. Secondly, this was the first time that a stub was placed in the site’s corporate style (some people appreciated LZ’s humor).

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legendary
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bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
PureMixer told me in a private conversation that they are now completely closed (forever).

PureMixerio    2024-03-14    Reference    PureMixerio has permanently ceased providing services to clients.

Strange.

Looks like I'll have to update the list again.
legendary
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light_warrior ... 🕯️
PureMixer told me in a private conversation that they are now completely closed (forever).

PureMixerio    2024-03-14    Reference    PureMixerio has permanently ceased providing services to clients.
legendary
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bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
All the offending mixers have been removed from the site. Thanks @icopress
legendary
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Crypto Swap Exchange
It seems it's time to remove YoMix and 4 other mixers (read the news).

This is serious and I wasn't aware of it till now.

PM me the list of questionable mixers. I was only able to find the @bitmover link so I'm definitely missing more.

As far as I can find, all of the articles are based on a Chainalaysis investigation https://www.chainalysis.com/blog/2024-crypto-money-laundering/
There are also some accusations from users who have been scammed but without any concrete evidence.

I am also interested in the list of other problematic mixers.
legendary
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bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
It seems it's time to remove YoMix and 4 other mixers (read the news).

This is serious and I wasn't aware of it till now.

PM me the list of questionable mixers. I was only able to find the @bitmover link so I'm definitely missing more.

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I also have no idea why you didn’t contact me about advertising, considering how long we’ve been working in the place.  Undecided

My apologies! I thought you did not do banner ads. No hard feelings  Wink



I know I have wrote this on the site but I would like to reiterate that BitMixList is not a promoter for money laundering. Therefore any mixers egregiously engaging in this activity will be deleted from the website.
legendary
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light_warrior ... 🕯️
I can't find anything. What did I miss?
YoMix has stolen more than $200,000 in the past few weeks.

In addition, several users on a closed forum reported that YoMix and some mixers (Sinbad and several other well-known ones) are managed by the same organization.

Hopefully I'll be able to tell you more soon.
legendary
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bitcoindata.science
(read the news).
I can't find anything. What did I miss?

I saw that Lazarus group is using them

https://cryptodaily.co.uk/2024/02/north-korean-hackers-are-now-using-yomix-to-launder-stolen-funds

However, it looks to be still operating.
legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
(read the news).
I can't find anything. What did I miss?
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 5874
light_warrior ... 🕯️
It seems it's time to remove YoMix and 4 other mixers (read the news).

- Additionally, Webmixer launched in 2020.
- I also think it would be reasonable to do a ranking by year.

I also have no idea why you didn’t contact me about advertising, considering how long we’ve been working in the place.  Undecided
legendary
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Does anyone know why ScamAdvisor is showing BitMixList as being "very risky"?  Huh
Probably because someone reported you  Tongue
Maybe that person is against any bitcoin mixers or he has something personal against you.
I wouldn't pay much attention, but you can always register and complete manual verification, if you want to pay for this.

PS
I just scanned bitcointalk forum and it has almost perfect score, but it was much lower results for some other random websites I tested.


legendary
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Crypto Swap Exchange
The site explains it (I'm not adding a link because I don't want to reward them with another backlink):
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Entire Review bitmixlist.org
Company Review
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Yadda yadda yadda Cheesy

This is probably an auto-generated bunch of nonsense. Some AI tool that checks basic things about site and domain settings.
For example, the SSL certificate is now free on almost all hosting services and only a complete amateur will not add it, because it does not require any knowledge. Everything is done in a few clicks.
With or without Cloudflare, there is no indicator whether a website is a scam or not.
They automatically write an analysis for the webshop, even though the site does not have to have one.

They and similar services do more harm than good with these AI scam analyses and deserve a rating of 1/10 because only makes it harder for those trying to do their research.
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