@NotATether, so far what we have on the list are mixers which were launched here and most of them vetted by forum members. In the future, will you start listing mixers that will be launched or announced elsewhere?
For example, I have seen some mixer announced in another forum, but it's still new so hard to know if it's genuine just yet.
Topic: [ANN] BitMixList.org - Bitcoin Mixer List - page 9. (Read 4273 times)
New updates are being rolled out across the BitMixList mirrors.
Changelog:
- Puremixer clearnet link is removed because it is dead. TOR link stays for now.
- Add notice under Puremixer that they do not give you a letter of guarantee - later I decided against removing the entry entirely because I'm not sure whether most people will agree that it is an "future exit scam" as was written in the scam accusation for it (not linked here), only based on the fact that there is no letter of guarantee. Nevertheless, you are strongly advised against using any exchanging service (DEX, mixer, anything) that doesn't give you a letter of guarantee.
- Added another mixer which I forgot to add last December.
- Fixed description of Whirlpool - it is using centralized coordinators.
- Added the onion link and bitcoin donation address. For now, if you want to sponsor this website, make a donation to the address at the bottom of the page.
I still see some bot traffic but it is manageable and non-destructive.
Changelog:
- Puremixer clearnet link is removed because it is dead. TOR link stays for now.
- Add notice under Puremixer that they do not give you a letter of guarantee - later I decided against removing the entry entirely because I'm not sure whether most people will agree that it is an "future exit scam" as was written in the scam accusation for it (not linked here), only based on the fact that there is no letter of guarantee. Nevertheless, you are strongly advised against using any exchanging service (DEX, mixer, anything) that doesn't give you a letter of guarantee.
- Added another mixer which I forgot to add last December.
- Fixed description of Whirlpool - it is using centralized coordinators.
- Added the onion link and bitcoin donation address. For now, if you want to sponsor this website, make a donation to the address at the bottom of the page.
I still see some bot traffic but it is manageable and non-destructive.
Good News:
I have finally gotten hold of the BitMixList.com domain after transferring it out, and it now redirects to Bitmixlist.org.
Other updates set to commence in the next few days.
I have finally gotten hold of the BitMixList.com domain after transferring it out, and it now redirects to Bitmixlist.org.
Other updates set to commence in the next few days.
This is a welcome addition, especially after the 2024 rule change regarding mixing services on Bitcointalk.
Someone else already created something similar, but said they have no plans to maintain it. So, this will be the second mixer source I bookmark. It can come in handy to do some cleaning when the fees drop.
I have two suggestions.
1. Please add dark mode if you can.
2. It would be nice to have some ratings for the services, but I understand that it could be difficult to add without sounding biased.
Someone else already created something similar, but said they have no plans to maintain it. So, this will be the second mixer source I bookmark. It can come in handy to do some cleaning when the fees drop.
I have two suggestions.
1. Please add dark mode if you can.
2. It would be nice to have some ratings for the services, but I understand that it could be difficult to add without sounding biased.
I just found out this thread because examplens recommended the site on some thread on service discussion and i tried to search the site if available in this forum and i was right.
I suggest to make a repo in github to include the list, and let the community to fork it then just sync it later once there's a new list added/updated. This way it will be distributed how and what are the good and bad service as of the moment, you can link back your site too in the repo so it will get the backlink it needs.
I suggest to make a repo in github to include the list, and let the community to fork it then just sync it later once there's a new list added/updated. This way it will be distributed how and what are the good and bad service as of the moment, you can link back your site too in the repo so it will get the backlink it needs.
It's a single-page site so you should use something like wget --mirror -np -k ...other options you want... https://bitmixlist.org to get all the resources including images, css, scripts from the main site.
This works. After you create the Subdomain, the mirror should be ready and I don't have to buy a domain. I am constantly looking for more mirrors to chuck this on, as it is less about the mixer ban now and more about free speech.
You made a copying error in your list of mirrors:Code:
I can host knightmirror.bitmixlist.org for you, if you want. I've allocated 100 MB disk usage, 100 GB bandwidth. All you need to do is create a subdomain DNS entry to 103.214.6.202.
At the moment it only mirrors the main page, without images. How can I best keep everything updated?
Much appreciated. That's what happens when you are forced to create dozens of mirrors
It's a single-page site so you should use something like wget --mirror -np -k ...other options you want... https://bitmixlist.org to get all the resources including images, css, scripts from the main site.
I am constantly looking for more mirrors to chuck this on, as it is less about the mixer ban now and more about free speech.
You made a copying error in your list of mirrors:Code:
I can host knightmirror.bitmixlist.org for you, if you want. I've allocated 100 MB disk usage, 100 GB bandwidth. All you need to do is create a subdomain DNS entry to 103.214.6.202.
At the moment it only mirrors the main page, without images. How can I best keep everything updated?
Very nice work and much appreciated.
I'm not "Legendary" except in my own mind, but as a privacy fanatic I am happy to have found my favorite mixer on your list and wonder why "privacy", which was part of Satoshi's original construct cannot be discussed openly here.
I'm not "Legendary" except in my own mind, but as a privacy fanatic I am happy to have found my favorite mixer on your list and wonder why "privacy", which was part of Satoshi's original construct cannot be discussed openly here.
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I had a chance to check your site. Well done. I hope you are generating good traffic. Can you PM me a stat about the traffic you are generating?
Cheers,
Cheers,
See above reply to examplens - I'm a bit busy at the moment, but when I get the chance, I might collect metrics for a few weeks and see what it's like.
Even I do not know the traffic stats (yet)
Cheers,
are you sure you went to BitMixList.org and not BitMixList.com?
Oh yeah my bad, you are right... I visited old .com domain. 
BitMixList.org works perfectly fine.
If I type exact same term in browser search it gave me old .com domain on top results, even if I type it with .org domain.
@NotATether is everything working fine for your website, or is it just error on my side?
I tried visiting clearnet link with several browsers and they are all showing me 403 Forbidden error message.
Onion link appears to be working fine.
I tried visiting clearnet link with several browsers and they are all showing me 403 Forbidden error message.
Onion link appears to be working fine.
are you sure you went to BitMixList.org and not BitMixList.com?
The com domain is still on Hostinger, I can't transfer it out before the 60-day holding period has expired.
.org is hosted on bare metal.
NotATether, do you think that the mixer who tried to upgrade trust in his service through a staged case still deserves a place on this list?
I think about this
Or at least you could add another field in the table with a warning and a link to the scam accusation thread.
I think about this
Or at least you could add another field in the table with a warning and a link to the scam accusation thread.
I need to remove PureMixer from the list, but I haven't found the time to do it yet. There are a few other edits I must also make as well, however I have an important work deadline ATM.
I had a chance to check your site. Well done. I hope you are generating good traffic. Can you PM me a stat about the traffic you are generating?
Cheers,
Cheers,
See above reply to examplens - I'm a bit busy at the moment, but when I get the chance, I might collect metrics for a few weeks and see what it's like.
Even I do not know the traffic stats (yet)
@NotATether is everything working fine for your website, or is it just error on my side?
I tried visiting clearnet link with several browsers and they are all showing me 403 Forbidden error message.
I tried visiting clearnet link with several browsers and they are all showing me 403 Forbidden error message.
Everything works normally for me, the site is online. There's something wrong on your side, I guess NotATether didn't block your IP
https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/bitmixlist.org
@NotATether is everything working fine for your website, or is it just error on my side?
I tried visiting clearnet link with several browsers and they are all showing me 403 Forbidden error message.
Onion link appears to be working fine.
I tried visiting clearnet link with several browsers and they are all showing me 403 Forbidden error message.
Onion link appears to be working fine.
NotATether, do you think that the mixer who tried to upgrade trust in his service through a staged case still deserves a place on this list?
I think about this
Or at least you could add another field in the table with a warning and a link to the scam accusation thread.
I think about this
Or at least you could add another field in the table with a warning and a link to the scam accusation thread.
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I had a chance to check your site. Well done. I hope you are generating good traffic. Can you PM me a stat about the traffic you are generating?
Cheers,
Cheers,
This site is very well made. I can tell there was a lot of effort put into providing the best information possible. There is, however, some inaccurate information I found while skimming through the coinjoin section.
Whirlpool coinjoins are centrally coordinated, just like Wasabi's. An article published on Foundation Devices' website contains a great summary on how Whirlpool works:
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Whirlpool is designed to be decentralized, meaning there is no central coordinator overseeing the mixing process.
Whirlpool coinjoins are centrally coordinated, just like Wasabi's. An article published on Foundation Devices' website contains a great summary on how Whirlpool works:
The most common type of Coinjoin is known as an ‘Centrally Coordinated’ one, where there are often many participants in each transaction. An example of this is the Samourai Wallet Whirlpool implementation. In this type of setup, multiple users connect to a central coordinator which acts as a the central authority between all participants....
Now you are safe, lets see who is gonna attack your site from now on, though they might do it, but eventually they will run out of money and drop it. And if there is any issues in the future I'm sure you will find sponsors/donation supporters to keep this up. 😉
As we approach the new year, I am reasonably confident that this site will survive the January 1 mixer bans. Despite saying "Bitcoin Mixer List" in the title, and just writing that by itself does not break any rules by the way, the actual list of mixers is less than 1.3% of the site's content in words.
Ads have been binned across all sites. After thinking about it, I do not want to create a conflict of interest. I will not be running any ads there for the foreseeable future.
As a blog page, BitMixList does not meet criteria 1) and 2) of a mixer:
Posting URLs to this site should be fine, although I advise against recommending the names of individual mixers directly on Bitcointalk, to stay on the safe side (posting mixer URLs is already not allowed).
Ads have been binned across all sites. After thinking about it, I do not want to create a conflict of interest. I will not be running any ads there for the foreseeable future.
As a blog page, BitMixList does not meet criteria 1) and 2) of a mixer:
Something is considered a mixer if it meets all of these requirements:
1. It has a feature advertised for taking property, improving its privacy somehow, and then returning roughly the same type of property.
a. Even though you can sometimes use non-mixers to mix coins by depositing and then withdrawing, this doesn't make it a mixer because this is an incidental use of the service; the service isn't advertised as privacy-enhancing.
b. If a site is not primarily a mixer but has a mixer function, such as a mixer function on a gambling website, then the whole site is considered a mixer.
c. If the site takes coins, gives you a possibly-transferrable IOU, and will convert this IOU back into mixed coins much later, then the temporary conversion into a different type of property does not prevent it from being considered a mixer.
d. If the site internally converts your deposit into other things as part of its mixing, but ultimately the point of the product is to get your original type of property back, then that's a mixer, not an exchanger.
2. It is possible for the mixer to steal property passing through it. Assume that the sender does everything as correctly as possible. Also assume that no miners/verifiers on the base-layer cryptocurrency are evil. But assume that every other actor involved is evil (everyone able to vote in a DAO, every coordination server, every counterparty, every member of a multisig, etc.). Ignore short-term software bugs which are expected to be quickly fixed.
3. The service does not collect KYC-type info from all users. (This is not an endorsement of KYC generally, or a condemnation of non-KYC services generally. Non-KYC services of other types are still allowed, and in many cases they are a good idea.)
1. It has a feature advertised for taking property, improving its privacy somehow, and then returning roughly the same type of property.
a. Even though you can sometimes use non-mixers to mix coins by depositing and then withdrawing, this doesn't make it a mixer because this is an incidental use of the service; the service isn't advertised as privacy-enhancing.
b. If a site is not primarily a mixer but has a mixer function, such as a mixer function on a gambling website, then the whole site is considered a mixer.
c. If the site takes coins, gives you a possibly-transferrable IOU, and will convert this IOU back into mixed coins much later, then the temporary conversion into a different type of property does not prevent it from being considered a mixer.
d. If the site internally converts your deposit into other things as part of its mixing, but ultimately the point of the product is to get your original type of property back, then that's a mixer, not an exchanger.
2. It is possible for the mixer to steal property passing through it. Assume that the sender does everything as correctly as possible. Also assume that no miners/verifiers on the base-layer cryptocurrency are evil. But assume that every other actor involved is evil (everyone able to vote in a DAO, every coordination server, every counterparty, every member of a multisig, etc.). Ignore short-term software bugs which are expected to be quickly fixed.
3. The service does not collect KYC-type info from all users. (This is not an endorsement of KYC generally, or a condemnation of non-KYC services generally. Non-KYC services of other types are still allowed, and in many cases they are a good idea.)
Posting URLs to this site should be fine, although I advise against recommending the names of individual mixers directly on Bitcointalk, to stay on the safe side (posting mixer URLs is already not allowed).
BitMixList and the onion site are back online
Nice to see website is back online.I was. But somehow they were still able to get a hold of my IP address. Exactly how they did it I don't know. Once they had it then they could send as many Layer 3/4 packets as they wanted since Cloudflare doesn't protect you from that. At least the free version doesn't, it only does layer 7 protection.
You probably leaked IP somehow by mistake, or some g0v was doing this attacks with unlimited resources.I don't think that your case is anything special, as I heard many people reporting something similar recently, maybe they are gearing up for cyber-attack circus show.
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