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NotATether

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Quote from: bitmover on December 11, 2024, 06:43:40 PM

NotATether, I see you mentioned Tornado Cash in your service.

Would it make sense to list Rombomix, and ethereum mixer? As they are somehow a replacement for tornado cash.

No, I don't list Tornado Cash. I have a history entry for it, but it's not on the list of mixers and I also don't link to it, as 1) I don't want to run into any trouble doing that and 2) it's not a Bitcoin mixer.

I don't really know how popular Ethereum mixing is compared to Bitcoin mixing, but if there is strong demand for this kind of service then it would make sense to make a table for it.

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NotATether, I see you mentioned Tornado Cash in your service.

Would it make sense to list Rombomix, and ethereum mixer? As they are somehow a replacement for tornado cash.

dkbit98

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Quote from: NotATether on December 08, 2024, 03:26:16 AM

Jokermix has also been removed.

You should also remove jokermix from Verify Letter of Guarantee section, and maybe something else can be updated there.
As for Retoswap, last time I checked they support other coins also, not only monero, there was USDT (on ethereum and tron), Bitvoin, Litecoin and BCH.
There are also a bunch of fiat payment methods, similar like in Bisq, and biggest volume is for monero trading pairs.

NotATether

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Quote from: NotATether on December 03, 2024, 08:40:22 AM

November update published. New features:

- New P2P Marketplaces section, with Noones, LocalCoinSwap, HodlHodl, Paxful and Binance.
- Bisq, Robosats, and Peach Bitcoin were also moved to this list.

I plan to update the history with info about this industry.

Thanks for using BitMixList.

New P2P sites published!

Nonkyc, lnp2pbot, and Retoswap (formerly Haveno-reto).

Paxful and Binance have been removed.

Jokermix has also been removed.

examplens

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Quote from: NotATether on December 05, 2024, 07:58:30 AM

I think with those two we should be fine. And I can kick out the KYC sites. In fact, I might even remove that column entirely, but then what are some other features that people care about when choosing a market?

I don't use p2p much so I'm not sure I can give a real suggestion.
But when it comes to instant exchangers, I think that two essential things are the KYC policy, of course, and whether the exchanges have their funds for liquidity or are only resellers. In that case, it is also important to know who is their liquidity provider and whose services they resell.

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Quote from: NotATether on December 05, 2024, 02:55:20 AM

It was mentioned to me here. I want to find other platforms (without KYC) to replace it with, so I've been doing a few internet searches.

all i can say is having a good small list (even if it's only 2-3 websites) is better that a bad long one.

Quote from: NotATether on December 05, 2024, 02:55:20 AM

https://nonkyc.io/

I don't know if any of these are legit, some may even be phishing so I want to double-check with you guys.

i agree with @examplens on his analysis for the other sites. would not risk using any of them. i rather stick to the ones that have proven themselves.

i might consider using nonkyc.io if i have no better option, but absolutely not for big amounts. they have only been around for about 1.5 years, and their AML policies are super vague.
and since they don't do KYC, i wonder what they do with the coins they freeze due to "bad AML"?

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Quote from: NotATether on December 05, 2024, 02:55:20 AM

I don't know if any of these are legit, some may even be phishing so I want to double-check with you guys.

They don't look very good to me and I would never use them, when there are other legit p2p projects.
If you want to add some real p2p exchange than consider adding lnp2pbot, this is strictly no-kyc and good option for people who prefer using Telegram (not me), and they got support from Human Rights Foundation project.
https://lnp2pbot.com/

Quote from: NotATether on December 05, 2024, 07:58:30 AM

and there is also RetoSwap, a Monero P2P marketplace, basically the successor of LocalMonero.

RetoSwap is a good one, old name was HavenoDex and this is actually a fork of Bisq exchange, it works almost identical.

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Quote from: examplens on December 05, 2024, 06:34:47 AM

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- Has anyone heard of this site? https://openpeer.xyz/
Or this one: https://www.911p2p.io/

There are some more I want to show you guys.

https://skipshift.io/

A solid web developer builds a website during his lunch break. All of the above seem like someone's hobby projects to me. Searching through some basic tools, they seem like completely anonymous services and I certainly wouldn't risk money with them.

On 911p2p.io I saw the Dukascopy logo. I remember them from many years ago, they were very aggressive with spam on Twitter and in almost all languages. It is possible that some hobby idea turned into a business, but I would be careful here.

This is just my 2 cents.

In that case, I can add NonKYC.io - they appear to have a thread here somewhere - and there is also RetoSwap, a Monero P2P marketplace, basically the successor of LocalMonero.

I think with those two we should be fine. And I can kick out the KYC sites. In fact, I might even remove that column entirely, but then what are some other features that people care about when choosing a market?

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Quote from: NotATether on December 05, 2024, 02:55:20 AM

- What is the difference between bitmama.io and bitpapa.com?

bitmama.io seems to be a Nigerian exchange, or is it just a creator from Nigeria. I assume that it is more legally adapted to that market. The site has a solid bio, which makes sense knowing that the Nigerian local community is one of the largest
bitpapa.com something similar, only from Russian territory.

It might not be a bad idea to ask their local boards for an opinion. Surely someone has experience.

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- Has anyone heard of this site? https://openpeer.xyz/
Or this one: https://www.911p2p.io/

There are some more I want to show you guys.

https://skipshift.io/

A solid web developer builds a website during his lunch break. All of the above seem like someone's hobby projects to me. Searching through some basic tools, they seem like completely anonymous services and I certainly wouldn't risk money with them.

On 911p2p.io I saw the Dukascopy logo. I remember them from many years ago, they were very aggressive with spam on Twitter and in almost all languages. It is possible that some hobby idea turned into a business, but I would be careful here.

This is just my 2 cents.

NotATether

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Quote from: Zwei on December 03, 2024, 12:19:52 PM

good to see you finally added the P2P list.

i have a small suggestion tho, maybe consider removing Paxful from the list.
imo, ever since the drama last year between the founders and the CEO moving ship to Noones, Paxful has been going downhill. personally, i would not recommend it.

It was mentioned to me here. I want to find other platforms (without KYC) to replace it with, so I've been doing a few internet searches.

This has led me down quite an interesting rabbit hole:

- What is the difference between bitmama.io and bitpapa.com?
- Has anyone heard of this site? https://openpeer.xyz/
Or this one: https://www.911p2p.io/

There are some more I want to show you guys.

https://skipshift.io/
https://nonkyc.io/

I don't know if any of these are legit, some may even be phishing so I want to double-check with you guys.

Zwei

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Quote from: NotATether on December 03, 2024, 08:40:22 AM

November update published. New features:

- New P2P Marketplaces section, with Noones, LocalCoinSwap, HodlHodl, Paxful and Binance.
- Bisq, Robosats, and Peach Bitcoin were also moved to this list.

I plan to update the history with info about this industry.

Thanks for using BitMixList.

good to see you finally added the P2P list.

i have a small suggestion tho, maybe consider removing Paxful from the list.
imo, ever since the drama last year between the founders and the CEO moving ship to Noones, Paxful has been going downhill. personally, i would not recommend it.

NotATether

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November update published. New features:

- New P2P Marketplaces section, with Noones, LocalCoinSwap, HodlHodl, Paxful and Binance.
- Bisq, Robosats, and Peach Bitcoin were also moved to this list.

I plan to update the history with info about this industry.

Thanks for using BitMixList.

dkbit98

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Quote from: Zwei on November 20, 2024, 03:24:02 PM

Noones on the other hand is better as you can trade up to 50k with only providing basic info

As far as i know only Noones and LocalCoinSwap are currently available as a good alternative for Paxful, and they all work in similar way.

Quote from: NotATether on November 21, 2024, 02:08:16 AM

I do use Paxful, but it must be understood that unlike with e.g. exchanges, the only way to get local currency in many third world countries is with these large platforms because that's where the traders are.

There is no need to justify use of KYC with ''third word countries''. Wink

All alternative platforms I mentioned have more than enough volume and traders from third world countries and worldwide.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on November 20, 2024, 02:00:12 PM

I don't think you can use Binance P2P (maybe even Paxful) without KYC verification, so there is no threshold to hit, unless you want to add them only because of sharing your ref links.
I am ok with services that offer kyc-free trading up to certainlimits, like Noones and similar exchanges.

As a US person, I can't use Binance P2P

I do use Paxful, but it must be understood that unlike with e.g. exchanges, the only way to get local currency in many third world countries is with these large platforms because that's where the traders are.

e.g. where I'm living right now (not USA), I can get cash from Paxful and LocalCoinSwap (as well as Binance P2P but this is prohibited for me), but there are no offers on HodlHodl or Peach. And Binance.US does not have a P2P marketplace.

So this category is very different in that in many cases you can get kyc-free cash, but in some cases, all of the traders in the country you live in use kyc marketplaces.

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Quote from: NotATether on November 20, 2024, 03:46:44 AM

Paxful
Noones

And yes I know some of these sites require KYC, so I should probably note that and what the maximum amount you can trade is before hitting that threshold.

those are the limits for Paxful, and as you see, you can't trade at all withoout passing ID verification first.

Quote from: https://support.paxful.com/support/solutions/articles/150000104290-limits-and-verification

Noones on the other hand is better as you can trade up to 50k with only providing basic info

Quote from: https://support.noones.com/hc/en-us/articles/6125357874959-Limits-and-Verification

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Quote from: NotATether on November 20, 2024, 03:46:44 AM

And yes I know some of these sites require KYC, so I should probably note that and what the maximum amount you can trade is before hitting that threshold.

I don't think you can use Binance P2P (maybe even Paxful) without KYC verification, so there is no threshold to hit, unless you want to add them only because of sharing your ref links.
I am ok with services that offer kyc-free trading up to certainlimits, like Noones and similar exchanges.

NotATether

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I am thinking about adding the following sites:

HodlHodl
LocalCoinSwap
Paxful
Noones
Peach Bitcoin (already on the site but it's in the wrong category IMO)
Binance P2P

Did I miss any?

And yes I know some of these sites require KYC, so I should probably note that and what the maximum amount you can trade is before hitting that threshold.

Edit: Robosats and Bisq would be moved to the new list too.

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Quote from: examplens on November 14, 2024, 09:10:15 AM

Have you done any research on how your site ranks in searches for certain terms? Perhaps your users came to the site looking for the p2p exchange option?

No, but I am on page 2 of Google for "bitcoin mixers list".

That might be a bit of a problem since the top results all show seized mixers and closed mixers, with only 1-2 active mixers, but most of my traffic comes from this ANN thread.

Zwei

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Quote from: NotATether on November 14, 2024, 02:37:53 AM

I like P2P marketplaces.

Do you think I should add a category for them on the site?

yes, that would be a nice addition to the other lists.
it would make it much easier to find them and recommend to others, definitely worth adding imo.

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Quote from: NotATether on November 14, 2024, 02:37:53 AM

I like P2P marketplaces.

Do you think I should add a category for them on the site?

I don't see a reason why not.
If it doesn't take up too much of your time, and you think it could be useful, it's always welcome to have such collections.

Have you done any research on how your site ranks in searches for certain terms? Perhaps your users came to the site looking for the p2p exchange option?

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