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sr. member
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I would like to point out that:

- There is no organised manipulation. Not from this group. (I believe basically everyone in this community is accumulating more BlackCoin and sells when it hits the 30-38k mark, only to rebuy between 28-30k)
- The Foundation is nothing more than an effort to support rat4 and future devs, to highlight the community projects (e.g. keep a community portfolio) and to be a contact point for parties interested in BlackCoin. Honestly, most of these parties will not come to the forum. They will find someone in the community with status, or they will be directed to someone with the know- how.
- The Foundation means to expand it's representation as follows: anyone (willing to share personal details) can become a "Representative Member". Any Representative Member would be a local, regional or international contact point for media, developers or community members. (the foundation does not do "push" PR, it will only do "pull" PR. e.g. people come to the foundation's Representative Members).

Further yes. We know nothing about push PR and we will not actively be doing pushing any PR. Atleast not under the "Foundation"'s name.

here U go:

LA MANO NERA (THE BLACK HAND) AT WORK:

Very interesting to follow the trail… it takes you to some places that you had anticipated, of course. Still the corroboration is so blatant that it shocks you a bit.

If you check the 20 richest BC wallets as 9:57AM April 27th, 2014. You find that the one in position number 13, has a balance of 703 338.99372117, number 15 has a balance of 609 000.00000000, number 16 has a balance of 603 696.00000000, number 18 has a balance of 550 680.70344934 and number 20 has a balance of 517 042.17227691. A rough total of 3 MILLION BC distributed in 5 wallets.

Now fast forward to may 9, 2014, 21:57 utc, just 12 days after, and, of all those millions and all those wallets,  you can only find the ones in number 18 and the one on number 20, now located at numbers 123 and 115, respectively and where both together had over one million coins, now they have less than 100k each. The other 3 wallets are nowhere to be seen among the 527 top wallets so they will have less than 14k each if they have anything at all.

In clear black and white, those controlling those 5 wallets have dumped, in 12 days, just under 3 million coins or aproximately 900 BTC, north of $400,000. In 12 days.

Te saluto don Corleone...



also a true investor will not take a chance to sell at 38K.....if the coin can shoot up to 60k in minutes...
they won't risk to be left behind..
unless they guarantied that the price will go back down by THEIR ORGANIZED DUMP....

this is the reason why they didn't support the Wall Street idea, they wouldn't control it, and it will create such buzz and fast market that they will definitely be left behind...

again THX Black Hand to f*** this all up..



Where did the coins go then?
Did you check the blockchain to see where they were sent?
newbie
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Thanks, I've read most of it. As I said I think he's pretty good at the PR side of things, but whatever good he does on the PR side he counteracts by a huge amount with his other posts. I hope he'll see that he does not come across as a likeable guy online. I can't speak for his offline behaviour, they can sometimes be quite different, but I hope he'll just realize this and try to keep it professional from now on.

I think he does....

and you also have to understand the man...he really devoted himself for this coin and because someone feels threatened he got attacked for no obvious reason and then it just became a descending spiral...

he's also a self made guardian of the BlackCoin.......the Black Knight as he was named before....(I have to find the logo)


I do believe all his actions are for the good of this coin and I think we should all support him
No, that's factually incorrect. He recently posted a long post detailing why he thinks everyone managing the coin sucks. This is both unprofessional and very juvenile. Furthermore he's accused everyone involved to be part of a massive conspiracy to manipulate the price and using fake accounts to attack him. He's also threatened numerous people, myself included, to an extent that legal action could be taken. This is quite delusional and shows that he might not be at a good enough place emotionally where he can manage a project of this size. He has attacked members of the core team for a long time now, and they have either ignored him or responded very professionally. Actually seeing their response, or lack thereof, has made me quite confident in their ability to manage the coin. Staying professional and level-headed when attacked is something very important in the business world.

Again; I do think IE could contribute a lot on the PR side because he obviously knows a lot about that. But every contribution there is irrelevant when mixed with all the hate and conspiracy. Just look at this thread; 1/3 of the posts are his own, 1/3 are people who are barely literate, 1/3 are people who argue with him. It's just not a good base to build upon. I mean, this thread is supposed to be about PR, but almost all of his posts here are him insulting people.

He wants to take a business approach to everything, so imagine if Bill Gates spent 12+ hours a day on the Microsoft forums getting into petty fights, threatening people and calling members of his board incompetent. It's just not feasible, no successful businessperson would ever do that. I hope he realized this, puts the ego aside and starts to do as he preaches.

To IE: Sorry if I've insulted you in the past. You're obviously under a massive amount of stress and I hope you consider taking a few days off to cool down and then come back with a more positive outlook.
sr. member
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Thanks, I've read most of it. As I said I think he's pretty good at the PR side of things, but whatever good he does on the PR side he counteracts by a huge amount with his other posts. I hope he'll see that he does not come across as a likeable guy online. I can't speak for his offline behaviour, they can sometimes be quite different, but I hope he'll just realize this and try to keep it professional from now on.

I think he does....

and you also have to understand the man...he really devoted himself for this coin and because someone feels threatened he got attacked for no obvious reason and then it just became a descending spiral...

he's also a self made guardian of the BlackCoin.......the Black Knight as he was named before....(I have to find the logo)


I do believe all his actions are for the good of this coin and I think we should all support him

I found the link for the logo but can't quote it...

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi60.tinypic.com%2F2j5caio.png&t=540&c=fT0AmvK7eAgi2g

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6474279
newbie
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The PR firm asked them to wait with releasing more info until Monday.

And that is IE point, then they should have done a coordinated release.

I be the PR firm are already confused by the so called 'official line'   Undecided
They'll have one on Monday I believe, this was just a sneakpeak for people who are interested. I think the problem with IE is that while he seems to know a little about marketing, 90% of his posts are either personal insults, threats or very intricate conspiracy theories with no basis. Even if he managed to contribute quite a bit to the coins PR side, he would scare away most serious investors. It's not really feasible to have someone who's had several public meltdowns, and threatened to reveal his customers personal information to get back on one guy, directly involved with a project of this size. If he really wants to see a return on his investmen I suggest that he stop the massive hatefilled campains against everyone who disagress with him, and either keep quiet for a month to see what happens or indeed just work on the PR side without attacking someone every 30 seconds.

He's not going to take over the coin. The developer, 99% of the community and the core team are not on his side. I hope he realizes this as soon as possible and either moves to a project of his own, or just does what he does best and work on PR without the massive FUD.

don't start this over again..


just read the closed thread from the BEGINNING and you will see who Iconic really is !!!!
Thanks, I've read most of it. As I said I think he's pretty good at the PR side of things, but whatever good he does on the PR side he counteracts by a huge amount with his other posts. I hope he'll see that he does not come across as a likeable guy online. I can't speak for his offline behaviour, they can sometimes be quite different, but I hope he'll just realize this and try to keep it professional from now on.
sr. member
Activity: 405
Merit: 250

The PR firm asked them to wait with releasing more info until Monday.

And that is IE point, then they should have done a coordinated release.

I be the PR firm are already confused by the so called 'official line'   Undecided
They'll have one on Monday I believe, this was just a sneakpeak for people who are interested. I think the problem with IE is that while he seems to know a little about marketing, 90% of his posts are either personal insults, threats or very intricate conspiracy theories with no basis. Even if he managed to contribute quite a bit to the coins PR side, he would scare away most serious investors. It's not really feasible to have someone who's had several public meltdowns, and threatened to reveal his customers personal information to get back on one guy, directly involved with a project of this size. If he really wants to see a return on his investmen I suggest that he stop the massive hatefilled campains against everyone who disagress with him, and either keep quiet for a month to see what happens or indeed just work on the PR side without attacking someone every 30 seconds.

He's not going to take over the coin. The developer, 99% of the community and the core team are not on his side. I hope he realizes this as soon as possible and either moves to a project of his own, or just does what he does best and work on PR without the massive FUD.

don't start this over again..


just read the closed thread from the BEGINNING and you will see who Iconic really is !!!!
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0

The PR firm asked them to wait with releasing more info until Monday.

And that is IE point, then they should have done a coordinated release.

I be the PR firm are already confused by the so called 'official line'   Undecided
They'll have one on Monday I believe, this was just a sneakpeak for people who are interested. I think the problem with IE is that while he seems to know a little about marketing, 90% of his posts are either personal insults, threats or very intricate conspiracy theories with no basis. Even if he managed to contribute quite a bit to the coins PR side, he would scare away most serious investors. It's not really feasible to have someone who's had several public meltdowns, and threatened to reveal his customers personal information to get back on one guy, directly involved with a project of this size. If he really wants to see a return on his investmen I suggest that he stop the massive hatefilled campains against everyone who disagress with him, and either keep quiet for a month to see what happens or indeed just work on the PR side without attacking someone every 30 seconds.

He's not going to take over the coin. The developer, 99% of the community and the core team are not on his side. I hope he realizes this as soon as possible and either moves to a project of his own, or just does what he does best and work on PR without the massive FUD.
hero member
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cloverdex.io

What happened with the cited addresses is just cold storage, division of coins or "dumping/exiting market". Maybe I can try to find a way to see what addresses have sent money to mintpal/ exchanges.. but yeah.. not a short term project for me..

I think as you've said you should be able to pinpoint the exchanges....

the rest if the trail stops would mean...either way, cold storage address, hold, or transferring wallets hands which also should mean holding....

and yes it's a huge job.....but sometimes the results might be surprising
also it would give much more transparency to the coin and I guess it never been done yet......

so another first for the BlackCoin

also longer one waits...more difficult this become as the number of addresses increases daily

It doesnt matter how long the wait. If the algo/ software works, it will only just take some time to read the blockchain Smiley

And I really want to make this,, hehe.
hero member
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cloverdex.io

The PR firm asked them to wait with releasing more info until Monday.

And that is IE point, then they should have done a coordinated release.

I be the PR firm are already confused by the so called 'official line'   Undecided

Well the thing is, that this is not the "team" organising this.. nor is it the "blackcoin foundation". This PR is a push by a member (morituri13) and the way I see it, he has managed to raise 15k $ in private, and he asked Soepkip then to push the idea to the community to get more funding.

I agree/ believe that coordinated release would have a good impact on the price, but yes, not a lot of people are good at that.. But yes, IE is good at it Smiley
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The PR firm asked them to wait with releasing more info until Monday.

And that is IE point, then they should have done a coordinated release.

I be the PR firm are already confused by the so called 'official line'   Undecided
newbie
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...The one major accomplishment for this team and they announced the name of the PR firm in the middle of the week with no press release. ....
Ups : ^^ FAIL i can send you some failcoins.

http://www.coindesk.com/all-things-alt-quarks-shaq-cess-blackcoins-pr-pivot-and-dogecoins-victory-lap/
http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/2014/5/7/blackcoins-pr-campaign-starting-soon-agency-name-revealed
http://www.altcoinfever.com/blackcoin-hiring-a-pr-firm/
http://newsbtc.com/2014/05/08/blackcoin-the-altcoin-business/
and more you can google...
1st make things real then write about them.

Those are news articles written by third parties. There was not an official press release by the team and it should have been.
The PR firm asked them to wait with releasing more info until Monday.
sr. member
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What happened with the cited addresses is just cold storage, division of coins or "dumping/exiting market". Maybe I can try to find a way to see what addresses have sent money to mintpal/ exchanges.. but yeah.. not a short term project for me..

I think as you've said you should be able to pinpoint the exchanges....

the rest if the trail stops would mean...either way, cold storage address, hold, or transferring wallets hands which also should mean holding....

and yes it's a huge job.....but sometimes the results might be surprising
also it would give much more transparency to the coin and I guess it never been done yet......

so another first for the BlackCoin

also longer one waits...more difficult this become as the number of addresses increases daily
hero member
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Merit: 517
cloverdex.io
I would like to point out that:


Maarx didn't you promised to audit the first 20 BC wallets ?

how's the progress on that ?

Hi Ziploc, I did not promise this, but I said that I could see what was mined on BlackCoin, and where those coins ended up.

As you can understand, this is a VERY long process and will take me much time.

Anyhows, to do this, I would need a starting point and I would need to know what to look for. Am I looking for "The Doge" 's presumed 25 million coins? (tbh that sounds like bullshit to me hehe)

sorry if I miss understood what I tough was a promise..

also understanding the complexity of the process I asked about the progress  


and IMHO this might also explain what happened with those cited addresses...

Personally I would use as starting point either way the end of POW or when the BC hit the Mintpal for the first time


Thx in advance if you decide to go trough with this

to facilitate the job I would suggest to use a midmapping software to make a graph or some kind of free i2 analyst notebook alternative,

maybe gephi.org



So, ok, I haven't started on this yet.

I do plan to make a mindmapping software for the blockchain at some point, so that linked addresses can easily be found. But this isnt a for-the short term project.. Making site for BlackCast atm and rolling out foundation (thinking about details etc.).. And some personal projects I like not to talk about yet.. ^^

What happened with the cited addresses is just cold storage, division of coins or "dumping/exiting market". Maybe I can try to find a way to see what addresses have sent money to mintpal/ exchanges.. but yeah.. not a short term project for me..
full member
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...The one major accomplishment for this team and they announced the name of the PR firm in the middle of the week with no press release. ....
Ups : ^^ FAIL i can send you some failcoins.

http://www.coindesk.com/all-things-alt-quarks-shaq-cess-blackcoins-pr-pivot-and-dogecoins-victory-lap/
http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/2014/5/7/blackcoins-pr-campaign-starting-soon-agency-name-revealed
http://www.altcoinfever.com/blackcoin-hiring-a-pr-firm/
http://newsbtc.com/2014/05/08/blackcoin-the-altcoin-business/
and more you can google...
1st make things real then write about them.

Those are news articles written by third parties. There was not an official press release by the team and it should have been.
sr. member
Activity: 405
Merit: 250
I would like to point out that:


Maarx didn't you promised to audit the first 20 BC wallets ?

how's the progress on that ?

Hi Ziploc, I did not promise this, but I said that I could see what was mined on BlackCoin, and where those coins ended up.

As you can understand, this is a VERY long process and will take me much time.

Anyhows, to do this, I would need a starting point and I would need to know what to look for. Am I looking for "The Doge" 's presumed 25 million coins? (tbh that sounds like bullshit to me hehe)

sorry if I miss understood what I tough was a promise..

also understanding the complexity of the process I asked about the progress  


and IMHO this might also explain what happened with those cited addresses...

Personally I would use as starting point either way the end of POW or when the BC hit the Mintpal for the first time


Thx in advance if you decide to go trough with this

to facilitate the job I would suggest to use a midmapping software to make a graph or some kind of free i2 analyst notebook alternative,

maybe gephi.org


and for the goal...it will give a nice outline of the major holders, who increased his position, who dumped, who holds....and maybe it will reveal the mystic Black Hand

 
hero member
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cloverdex.io
I would like to point out that:


Maarx didn't you promised to audit the first 20 BC wallets ?

how's the progress on that ?

Hi Ziploc, I did not promise this, but I said that I could see what was mined on BlackCoin, and where those coins ended up.

As you can understand, this is a VERY long process and will take me much time.

Anyhows, to do this, I would need a starting point and I would need to know what to look for. Am I looking for "The Doge" 's presumed 25 million coins? (tbh that sounds like bullshit to me hehe)
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 517
cloverdex.io
I would like to point out that:

- There is no organised manipulation. Not from this group. (I believe basically everyone in this community is accumulating more BlackCoin and sells when it hits the 30-38k mark, only to rebuy between 28-30k)
- The Foundation is nothing more than an effort to support rat4 and future devs, to highlight the community projects (e.g. keep a community portfolio) and to be a contact point for parties interested in BlackCoin. Honestly, most of these parties will not come to the forum. They will find someone in the community with status, or they will be directed to someone with the know- how.
- The Foundation means to expand it's representation as follows: anyone (willing to share personal details) can become a "Representative Member". Any Representative Member would be a local, regional or international contact point for media, developers or community members. (the foundation does not do "push" PR, it will only do "pull" PR. e.g. people come to the foundation's Representative Members).

Further yes. We know nothing about push PR and we will not actively be doing pushing any PR. Atleast not under the "Foundation"'s name.

here U go:

LA MANO NERA (THE BLACK HAND) AT WORK:

Very interesting to follow the trail… it takes you to some places that you had anticipated, of course. Still the corroboration is so blatant that it shocks you a bit.

If you check the 20 richest BC wallets as 9:57AM April 27th, 2014. You find that the one in position number 13, has a balance of 703 338.99372117, number 15 has a balance of 609 000.00000000, number 16 has a balance of 603 696.00000000, number 18 has a balance of 550 680.70344934 and number 20 has a balance of 517 042.17227691. A rough total of 3 MILLION BC distributed in 5 wallets.

Now fast forward to may 9, 2014, 21:57 utc, just 12 days after, and, of all those millions and all those wallets,  you can only find the ones in number 18 and the one on number 20, now located at numbers 123 and 115, respectively and where both together had over one million coins, now they have less than 100k each. The other 3 wallets are nowhere to be seen among the 527 top wallets so they will have less than 14k each if they have anything at all.

In clear black and white, those controlling those 5 wallets have dumped, in 12 days, just under 3 million coins or aproximately 900 BTC, north of $400,000. In 12 days.

Te saluto don Corleone...



also a true investor will not take a chance to sell at 38K.....if the coin can shoot up to 60k in minutes...
they won't risk to be left behind..
unless they guarantied that the price will go back down by THEIR ORGANIZED DUMP....

this is the reason why they didn't support the Wall Street idea, they wouldn't control it, and it will create such buzz and fast market that they will definitely be left behind...

again THX Black Hand to f*** this all up..

Hi, the money from these addresses could also have been sent to:

- Cold Storage
- Split over several different wallets
- Sent to a new non- cold storage address

..

Or yes, part of it has been dumped.

Addresses are not permanent you know. Why not create a new address every once in a while and transfer funds there?
legendary
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it's organized plan....just a smoke screen that they do something for the coin...
but they really just delaying thing in their favor....
Do you saw pump like Max can do or Wolong ?
How do you think someone sold 3m BC and price didn't dropped.
I think that people like Max,Wolong,Fontas are buying those 3m BC.
Belive me when they start pump it won't be time to buy back.
Eg. +50% in 3-4 h moving 100BTC wall...

That is why Black hand is already fucked up Cheesy price didn't fellt in 15k area to buy back it.
Try now buy back 3m BC ?? Do you will get  them at 30k Cheesy ?? believe me not
sr. member
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I would like to point out that:



Maarx didn't you promised to audit the first 20 BC wallets ?

how's the progress on that ?
sr. member
Activity: 405
Merit: 250
...
In clear black and white, those controlling those 5 wallets have dumped, in 12 days, just under 3 million coins or aproximately 900 BTC, north of $400,000. In 12 days.

Te saluto don Corleone...
And now you see Cinni pump Cheesy ? try connect facts someone just moved BTC from BC to Cinni i think that is clear ?
Big BC hollder just cashed out and this is good.
He now don't have those 3m to dump. I am very happy that he went out.
You can't hold price forever especially when Max is writing BC is hot Cheesy
if he pump BC that will be ride like his LTC pump.

I guess you're right..

BC is special..it survived this much abuse....it's there to stay
sr. member
Activity: 405
Merit: 250
...The one major accomplishment for this team and they announced the name of the PR firm in the middle of the week with no press release. ....
Ups : ^^ FAIL i can send you some failcoins.

http://www.coindesk.com/all-things-alt-quarks-shaq-cess-blackcoins-pr-pivot-and-dogecoins-victory-lap/
http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/2014/5/7/blackcoins-pr-campaign-starting-soon-agency-name-revealed
http://www.altcoinfever.com/blackcoin-hiring-a-pr-firm/
http://newsbtc.com/2014/05/08/blackcoin-the-altcoin-business/
and more you can google...
1st make things real then write about them.

it's organized plan....just a smoke screen that they do something for the coin...
but they really just delaying thing in their favor....

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