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Topic: [ANN] Blacknet | IBO for BlackCoin | New code | PoS | No ICO - page 13. (Read 2509671 times)

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legendary
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Its a fair old chunk I reckon considering many coins will sitting be on exchange order books /bots and so not involved directly.  Closing in on 20% is probably a plus for userbase involvement and theres still many who will be putting it off till the last moment I guess.    

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the 0% bonus already in effect:
Code:
07 Dec - 14 Dec      0%

last chance to burn until 14 Dec 2018 00:00:00 UTC

Right, I didnt read it that way but that makes perfect sense.  Thanks for clarifying, I will give 1 merit as humble gratitude plus its a minor crime when people got zero merit on this forum and are not spam bots.  I applied for merit source because that system is drought like tbh
hero member
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People don't seem so eager to burn their BLK for an unknown token..
only 13m out of 64m burned - https://ibo.laboratorium.ee   Roll Eyes

I think 13/64m is a considerable amount to burn into a project that still has to earn it's merits. A lot is unknown and we will have to see if this will have proven to be a good decision or not.
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The block time stamp is not atomic time. There’s always someone that’s gonna burn on exactly the last block. lol

There could be a situation:

Block 2379043 14 Dec 2018 00:00:02 UTC
Block 2379044 13 Dec 2018 23:59:59 UTC

Such order of timestamps ain't allowed in BlackCoin protocol  Tongue
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People don't seem so eager to burn their BLK for an unknown token..
only 13m out of 64m burned - https://ibo.laboratorium.ee   Roll Eyes

Nor should they be. I think everybody making a decision whether to burn or not is fully aware of the risk that they may not get anything in return for burning BLK.  Based on that, I think 13mil burned out of 77mil (16.8% @ $500K USD current value) shows extraordinary confidence in either an idea, a person, or a project.  It’s a much safer proposition to wait until the product is completed and working in order to participate in acquiring tokens.

I can’t say I don’t feel some uneasiness about the BLK I’ve burned.
legendary
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People don't seem so eager to burn their BLK for an unknown token..
only 13m out of 64m burned - https://ibo.laboratorium.ee   Roll Eyes
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genesis-tool needs a stop height.
genesis-tool

The block time stamp is not atomic time. There’s always someone that’s gonna burn on exactly the last block. lol

There could be a situation:

Block 2379043 14 Dec 2018 00:00:02 UTC 2,345,678 BLK burn
Block 2379044 13 Dec 2018 23:59:59 UTC 1,234,567 BLK burn

What would be the final block number then?

I think this situation is highly unlikely, but it might be a good idea just to slightly clarify that:

     The final block will be the highest block number with a block time stamp less than 14 Dec 2018 00:00:00 UTC

This should allow blocks with minor timestamp discrepancies to be included.

Any thoughts? Agree?  Disagree?  Unimportant?  Leave me alone, I just want BTC back to $14k USD?


Currently, I estimate the Blackcoin block number occurring at 14 Dec 2018 00:00:00 UTC to be approximately 2379044.


https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20181214T00&p0=1440&msg=Blacknet+-+Burn+baby+burn%21%21%21&font=serif

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Theres no bonus so I guess that the market finds a natural equilibrium in price between the two different chains and you exchange them manually as I'm not certain if the ability to burn BLK for the BLN coin lasts forever or not actually. 

I wonder this too actually, will the bonus just end after the 14th and will there still be the possibility to burn or will this be the final chance to burn BlackCoin for BlackNet?

OP states:

IBO started at 07 Sep 2018 00:00:00 UTC and will end at 14 Dec 2018 00:00:00 UTC

the 0% bonus already in effect:
Code:
07 Dec - 14 Dec 0%

last chance to burn until 14 Dec 2018 00:00:00 UTC
hero member
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Theres no bonus so I guess that the market finds a natural equilibrium in price between the two different chains and you exchange them manually as I'm not certain if the ability to burn BLK for the BLN coin lasts forever or not actually. 

I wonder this too actually, will the bonus just end after the 14th and will there still be the possibility to burn or will this be the final chance to burn BlackCoin for BlackNet?
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Hey Rat4,

What will be the final Blackcoin block number to be considered for the Blacknet IBO?
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legendary
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Theres no bonus so I guess that the market finds a natural equilibrium in price between the two different chains and you exchange them manually as I'm not certain if the ability to burn BLK for the BLN coin lasts forever or not actually. 

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Bitcoin to a degree can allow it due to the network effect it has and a huge team for marketing and coding .. no other projects should encourage these copy and paste developers to scam investors and supporters to their projects that they could not even maintain on their own steam.

Sounds like an eternal dilemma because theres a few reasons for the code being an open book.  But BLN is taking a new direction for itself maybe thats part of it
legendary
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And what happens after the final date ?

Looks like only 20% of the total BLK has been burned - https://ibo.laboratorium.ee/
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That is the percentage of extra coins you would have got if you'd burnt your blackcoin for blacknet coin before specific dates
legendary
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A reminder for everyone, the bonus rate for burning is decreasing again in 2 days, it's going pretty fast now!

Bonus schedule
Code:
07 Sep - 05 Oct 20%
05 Oct - 12 Oct 18%
12 Oct - 19 Oct 16%
19 Oct - 26 Oct 14%
26 Oct - 02 Nov 12%
02 Nov - 09 Nov 10%
09 Nov - 16 Nov 8%
16 Nov - 23 Nov 6%
23 Nov - 30 Nov 4%
30 Nov - 07 Dec 2%
07 Dec - 14 Dec 0%


What's that ?
legendary
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Hey rat4, can I suggest not to use the Jelurida license as it isn't OSD compliant? This will make Blacknet -not- open source.

It breaks rules 1 and 10

1. Free Redistribution
The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources. The license shall not require a royalty or other fee for such sale.

10. License Must Be Technology-Neutral
No provision of the license may be predicated on any individual technology or style of interface.

See definition of open source here: https://opensource.org/osd/

Airdrop of 10% or whatever the number was, to original source is a royalty to holders, thus making it not technology-neutral as it references a singular original code.

You can not change the basis of what people have already burned on. I would not even think of bothering with new tech from now on that will be copy and pasted 50x within a week by people that are just marketeers who managed to scam more people into believing in their project when they would have had not chance to create it themselves.

10% seems too small I would rather suggest 50%

Copy and paste "devs" can stop ripping millions of btc out of people using other peoples talent.

Stop repeating this request nobody else burning for blacknet want's this open to copy and paste devs with no talent of their own.

I hope the new licence blocks all loopholes of copy and paste so no other project will use blacknets code with out a huge air drop to the persons supporting the original work rat4 does.

Blackcoin should have done this for pos3  that every new pos clone was copy and pasting and diluting blackcoins market share I am totally against talent free developers projects taking support from the original source of creation.

Bitcoin to a degree can allow it due to the network effect it has and a huge team for marketing and coding .. no other projects should encourage these copy and paste developers to scam investors and supporters to their projects that they could not even maintain on their own steam.




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It has been reported that blackcoind does not build against OpenSSL 1.1.1 (included in FreeBSD 12.0-BETA3). Haven’t investigated it thoroughly, but maybe a clue of how to fix can be found in commit 0a97f97580de43d154f7158dc5a7b45f76 in s2geometry.
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While it can be possibly debated whether JPL is open source or not (Jelurida claims that it is open source), it doesn’t seem to satisfy the free software definition in regard to freedom 0: “the freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose”. In particular, article 12 of the JPL says:

Quote from: JPL
[…] if you require a customized DLT Instance for internal use (i.e. a private blockchain) based on the DLT Software you must obtain permission or purchase a commercial license from the original Copyright Holder however he is not in any way obliged to grant permission or sell such a license.

1.3 The act of running a Program is not restricted as long as it does not violate Article 3.4 of the General Conditions

A private blockchain cannot satisfy the airdrop requirement from Article 3.4
That’s right. An airdrop requirement is similar to a payment requirement for running a program, and at least the latter constitutes non-free software.
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Two-way squared
While it can be possibly debated whether JPL is open source or not (Jelurida claims that it is open source), it doesn’t seem to satisfy the free software definition in regard to freedom 0: “the freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose”. In particular, article 12 of the JPL says:

Quote from: JPL
[…] if you require a customized DLT Instance for internal use (i.e. a private blockchain) based on the DLT Software you must obtain permission or purchase a commercial license from the original Copyright Holder however he is not in any way obliged to grant permission or sell such a license.

1.3 The act of running a Program is not restricted as long as it does not violate Article 3.4 of the General Conditions

A private blockchain cannot satisfy the airdrop requirement from Article 3.4
jr. member
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Hey rat4, can I suggest not to use the Jelurida license as it isn't OSD compliant? This will make Blacknet -not- open source.

It breaks rules 1 and 10

[…]

See definition of open source here: https://opensource.org/osd/

[…]

Why Open Source misses the point of Free Software

While it can be possibly debated whether JPL is open source or not (Jelurida claims that it is open source), it doesn’t seem to satisfy the free software definition in regard to freedom 0: “the freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose”. In particular, article 12 of the JPL says:

Quote from: JPL
[…] if you require a customized DLT Instance for internal use (i.e. a private blockchain) based on the DLT Software you must obtain permission or purchase a commercial license from the original Copyright Holder however he is not in any way obliged to grant permission or sell such a license.
full member
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Two-way squared
Hey rat4, can I suggest not to use the Jelurida license as it isn't OSD compliant? This will make Blacknet -not- open source.

It breaks rules 1 and 10

1. Free Redistribution
The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources. The license shall not require a royalty or other fee for such sale.

10. License Must Be Technology-Neutral
No provision of the license may be predicated on any individual technology or style of interface.

See definition of open source here: https://opensource.org/osd/

Airdrop of 10% or whatever the number was, to original source is a royalty to holders, thus making it not technology-neutral as it references a singular original code.

Why Open Source misses the point of Free Software
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Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Captain Vegeta. Welcome to the start.
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At this time, make sure your Blackcoin are burned properly according to the instructions issued by rat4. Also, your portable electronic devices must be set to Zero Gravity mode until an announcement is made upon arrival. Thank you.

exactly.

wat is blacknet?
and how do i?
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