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This guy claims to be a successful businessman with an expertise in PR and a full-time job in the investment industry. He also claims to have a large family and a very busy social life. He also claims to work "15 hours a day" on Blackcoin related projects. Despite all this he spends hours upon hours every day getting into petty arguments with people online, making up complex conspiracy theories and accusing people of all sorts of things without any evidence. He's a scammer, a liar, a charlatan and a troll. Don't believe anything he says, he's proven himself to be mentally unstable and completely unreliable.

Still using the fake accounts eh?

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full-time job in the investment industry
Show me just one post where I claimed I said I have a full-time job in the investment industry and I will donate 500BC to you right now. Just one...

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He also claims to have a large family and a very busy social life.
I said I have a wife and two daughters, anyone who has a wife and children knows a very busy social life is "rare".
Once again I will donate 500BC if you show me one post where I said I have a very busy social life.

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He also claims to work "15 hours a day" on Blackcoin related projects.
I have multiple monitors and unlike you I can walk and chew gum at the same time. I can work,  monitor the BS on the forum, all while watching CNBC.
But I guess chatting on IRC 14 hours a day is not as bad is periodically watching the forum.

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Don't believe anything he says, he's proven himself to be mentally unstable and completely unreliable.
This coming from a person that is using multiple accounts and pretending to be something he is not.
legendary
Activity: 1302
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This guy claims to be a successful businessman with an expertise in PR and a full-time job in the investment industry. He also claims to have a large family and a very busy social life. He also claims to work "15 hours a day" on Blackcoin related projects. Despite all this he spends hours upon hours every day getting into petty arguments with people online, making up complex conspiracy theories and accusing people of all sorts of things without any evidence. He's a scammer, a liar, a charlatan and a troll. Don't believe anything he says, he's proven himself to be mentally unstable and completely unreliable.

I wouldn't go so far with accusations.

In short story: IE want made Wallstreet happened.
Same time some people made 1st comment under article - foundation then even not existed officially ...
Next action was to hire PR firm... while is same time he is doing same job so he was pissed off because of that.
SIMPLE...
Even worst moron will see here some connection but what was later goes under control IE goes to far IMO with accusations
and should take a short break like rat4 said.
newbie
Activity: 40
Merit: 0
I thought Iconic had me on ignore. Must have read my post on a shill account Tongue lol contradicting yourself at every turn
anyways, im putting him on ignore and calling it a night.
sr. member
Activity: 1009
Merit: 261
Hi everyone I have been watching BlackCoin for some time now. I'm a representative of Crypto Jeweler.

We were contacted by a representative of the BlackCoin community interested in getting us to start accepting BlackCoin.We are interested in what the community response would be if we were to begin accepting BlackCoin.

You can check us out at: http://cryptojeweler.com

We are always open for feedback and look forward to your opinions.

You should just go ahead and start accepting payment by BlackCoin. Sign up for a https://moolah.io/ account and use their system to do so ( BC will be added 'imminently', they were aiming for Monday ).

Then plant your flag on www.blackcoinmap.com

Then tell everyone what you're doing

Then congratulate yourself for being one of the doers
newbie
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This is sadly kind of funny, really.

The game of musical chairs seem to continue ("the dev will not be in but almost for sure as an advisor", one minute, "the dev will not only be in but will have to approve of the rest of the board", the next...)

And, slowly but surely, the cloak and dagger schemes coming to light: There IS an organized investment group operating in the background and closely linked if not controlled by one or more smooth operators of the dev team. There IS in "buying on dips" scheme when buying with the proceeds from the Poll (why wouldn't it be if they are killing several birds with the same stone, i.e.: dumping (carefully) their millions of coins and buying back on dips they control and create: No risks there). Can the group have an approximate holding number more or less exactly 7.5 million coins... just to make Iconic's "wild accusations" completely exact? I am going to bet that that is -or was as of yesterday- the exact number than this organized group controls. And since I am on a betting mood, I am going to also bet that the DOGE IS indeed part and parcel, the key one, that controls this group. Keeping on the betting mood, I am going to also bet that we are going to find out, very, very soon, the rest of the players, identities, wallets (some of them, not all of course) and all. Interesting to wait and see.

Oh and there IS a massive land grab rush that has already taken place (save for a couple of musical chairs still to be assigned), because, quite frankly, IconicExpert steered the pot, not only demanded a plan but came with one on his own -wild as it was (the guy can be quite wild), it WAS a plan-, was getting quite a bit of things done and presented an obvious problem for the "group" that otherwise would have gladly let things evolve they way they were evolving because, frankly, they were evolving extraordinarily well for the group and much better than any average for the sheep investors and newcomers. So IE became a thorn that had to be counter and neutralized with a rushed land grab, official, not  in the shadow, as it was in reality... Ta da: The Foundation.

Now they are selling you, the sheep investors and other ra-ra gallery, the pen of the Foundation purpose and goals... to be carried out, basically, by that very group of investors that want you to see nothing wrong with the controlling group of holders of the coin being also in control of the destiny of the coin. In other words, playing with marked cards... not in other words, in those exact words.  Funny indeed.

Io te saluto, Don Corleone...



So, like I've been saying, the whole foundation idea needs to end now, and those involved step down so we can move forward and move this coin to next level. Unless we clean house, this coin with so much potential will be tanished reputation. Quite sad, few greedy people that want more than there share, will behind scenes make some short term profits, instead of the profits we could be seeing right now with this coin at record highs and volume.

If you kids in IRC and the DOGE don't step down and let others take over, or matter fact, nobody take over, no foundation. We can all benifit from this coin and move forward. Now, choice is yours. IE outlined a very good plan of action, and I 100% support that plan.

Time to clean house.



It doesn't matter what you say or even can prove they do not care. If the people I "accused" came forward and admitted everything I said was true, half the people here wouldn't care. Greed is more powerful than rational thinking and many of the people here are hoping they will become rich from BlackCoin. So they are blinded by the prospects of being rich and throwing all commonsense out of the window. Only one person who is probably my most fierce critic asked the most basic question. What does he have to gain? If I wanted "attention" I could have found a less controversial way of getting attention. If it was control it has already been pointed out no one can solely control BlackCoin. So it seems I would have far more to lose than gain by exposing this scheme. However, the dev team & the foundation personally attacked me over the weekend for two days straight. Why? What do they gain by attacking one person repeatedly for over 2 days? Why am I so "important" that I warrant that much attention. If I am just some "internet scammer" who lies why waste that much energy on me? At that time I didn't accuse them of anything, I just asked two simple questions about the PR firm plan. Why am I such a threat to them? All I am doing is promoting BC so why "hate" me so much? Most rational thinking people would step back and ask themselves that question when greed is not at play, but when greed is at play people just ignore the obvious warning signs. Bernie Madoff was able to con all those people for decades with all the red flags and concerns because people were greedy and he was giving them a great ROI. But when the money party was over everyone wanted to blame him, but in reality they should have blamed themselves.

The people that I named will eventually all turn on each other because that is human nature. Anytime you mix millions of dollars, young men, strangers, and power all together you have a perfect cocktail for self destruction. That cocktail intensifies when you mix in conspiracy to defraud.

And for the record rat4 and SoepKip are not in charge, the "Group" is in charge. SeopKip is just being used like they attempted to use me, but the difference between me and SopKip is I am no ones B.i.ch. Once they get what they want he will be the first one they turn on.

In regards to the DDos attack and my prior knowledge. As I pointed out numerous times I was not involved nor do I condone that kind of behavior. If someone claims they are going to attack someone's server, I am not legally obligated to warn the owners of the server. And why would I? Why would I warn the people that are ripping the community off? So please stop with the BS claims of me committing a crime because I didn't. Besides, I have no way to ascertain if someone threats over the internet are legitimate or not.

Finally, I want to thank everyone who has sent me positive PMs, I sincerely appreciate it. It is comforting to know that some people can take off the blinders of greed and navigate through the BS and see things for what they are.


PS: And for the record prior to me exposing the scheme not once has the dev team or the people I listed from the group ever publicly called me a liar, and with all the dancing back and forth and convoluted explanations they still haven't called me a liar.
 

This guy claims to be a successful businessman with an expertise in PR and a full-time job in the investment industry. He also claims to have a large family and a very busy social life. He also claims to work "15 hours a day" on Blackcoin related projects. Despite all this he spends hours upon hours every day getting into petty arguments with people online, making up complex conspiracy theories and accusing people of all sorts of things without any evidence. He's a scammer, a liar, a charlatan and a troll. Don't believe anything he says, he's proven himself to be mentally unstable and completely unreliable.
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1002

I just asked two simple questions about the PR firm plan. Why am I such a threat to them? All I am doing is promoting BC so why "hate" me so much?  

And for the record rat4 and SoepKip are not in charge, the "Group" is in charge. SeopKip is just being used like they attempted to use me, but the difference between me and SopKip is I am no ones B.i.ch. Once they get what they want he will be the first one they turn on.

PS: And for the record prior to me exposing the scheme not once has the dev team or the people I listed from the group ever publicly called me a liar, and with all the dancing back and forth and convoluted explanations they still haven't called me a liar.
 

Why am I such a threat to them?
-Mayby it could be because you are eating some donation cake and attention.
But seriously i don't belive that Doge Soepkip Wizz had such problem with you
they wanted you on blackcast   - you refused eg.

I don't think that you were thread for anyone there except Gitt Cheesy because you made more than he so far
and all know it.

I think Gitt was f. jealous about Wallstreet idea Cheesy...

All I am doing is promoting BC so why "hate" me so much?  
-see above.

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Ironic get on ground some people act some people whine i want that Wallstreet to be real.

Personaly i don't care market manipulations they exist and always will be.
There will be allways people like fontas wolong who will make them for profit.
This is crypto p&d all coins are the same.
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 500
dont know what will become of blackcoin. will there be another coin to top it
newbie
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Merit: 0
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If you kids in IRC and the DOGE don't step down and let others take over, or matter fact, nobody take over, no foundation. We can all benifit from this coin and move forward. Now, choice is yours. IE outlined a very good plan of action, and I 100% support that plan.

Time to clean house.

All they have done is work tirelessly to create usable infrastructure around the coin to serve those involved in BC. They have put together an effective and innovative multipool (increasingly copied, but never bested) that has benefitted many, developed and continue to maintain the website, funded prizes and bounties for further development and spearheaded coinkite intergration (with significant funds from their own pockets) and developed ongoing strategies for promoting the coin including funding a PR campaign.

Nobody is 'taking over' anything. BC belongs to nobody. If you are not happy with some kind of formalisation of an independent 'foundation' you are welcome not to take part, withhold any donations or investments or start your own.

Demanding people 'step down' from something they have had the initiative to create smacks of simply demanding people bend to your singular wishes. Well no. People can self organise and do whatever they want. That is the essence of 'community.'

There is nothing stopping you from coming up with your own ideas and implementing them or spearheading investment in infrastructure. Unfortunately... All I hear from you is hollow criticism, baseless and frankly nasty accusations which you continue to decline to substantiate, and little else.

If you want to fund and support IE, please do. However, after his increasingly erratic outbursts and attacks, he won't be getting any more of my money even though I supported his initiatives in the past. I have no compunction to support somebody so wilfully divisive due to some ridiculous perceived 'slight' he insists on consistently blowing out of proportion and who now devotes his energies into merely attacking others with differing (not opposing) ideas.

Hopefully this pointless backbiting and nastiness can come to an end. It's frankly embarrassing some of the silly accusations being thrown around, and any reasonable person would see them as such.
GQM
newbie
Activity: 57
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Hi everyone I have been watching BlackCoin for some time now. I'm a representative of Crypto Jeweler.

We were contacted by a representative of the BlackCoin community interested in getting us to start accepting BlackCoin.We are interested in what the community response would be if we were to begin accepting BlackCoin.

You can check us out at: http://cryptojeweler.com

We are always open for feedback and look forward to your opinions.
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
This is sadly kind of funny, really.

The game of musical chairs seem to continue ("the dev will not be in but almost for sure as an advisor", one minute, "the dev will not only be in but will have to approve of the rest of the board", the next...)

And, slowly but surely, the cloak and dagger schemes coming to light: There IS an organized investment group operating in the background and closely linked if not controlled by one or more smooth operators of the dev team. There IS in "buying on dips" scheme when buying with the proceeds from the Poll (why wouldn't it be if they are killing several birds with the same stone, i.e.: dumping (carefully) their millions of coins and buying back on dips they control and create: No risks there). Can the group have an approximate holding number more or less exactly 7.5 million coins... just to make Iconic's "wild accusations" completely exact? I am going to bet that that is -or was as of yesterday- the exact number than this organized group controls. And since I am on a betting mood, I am going to also bet that the DOGE IS indeed part and parcel, the key one, that controls this group. Keeping on the betting mood, I am going to also bet that we are going to find out, very, very soon, the rest of the players, identities, wallets (some of them, not all of course) and all. Interesting to wait and see.

Oh and there IS a massive land grab rush that has already taken place (save for a couple of musical chairs still to be assigned), because, quite frankly, IconicExpert steered the pot, not only demanded a plan but came with one on his own -wild as it was (the guy can be quite wild), it WAS a plan-, was getting quite a bit of things done and presented an obvious problem for the "group" that otherwise would have gladly let things evolve they way they were evolving because, frankly, they were evolving extraordinarily well for the group and much better than any average for the sheep investors and newcomers. So IE became a thorn that had to be counter and neutralized with a rushed land grab, official, not  in the shadow, as it was in reality... Ta da: The Foundation.

Now they are selling you, the sheep investors and other ra-ra gallery, the pen of the Foundation purpose and goals... to be carried out, basically, by that very group of investors that want you to see nothing wrong with the controlling group of holders of the coin being also in control of the destiny of the coin. In other words, playing with marked cards... not in other words, in those exact words.  Funny indeed.

Io te saluto, Don Corleone...



So, like I've been saying, the whole foundation idea needs to end now, and those involved step down so we can move forward and move this coin to next level. Unless we clean house, this coin with so much potential will be tanished reputation. Quite sad, few greedy people that want more than there share, will behind scenes make some short term profits, instead of the profits we could be seeing right now with this coin at record highs and volume.

If you kids in IRC and the DOGE don't step down and let others take over, or matter fact, nobody take over, no foundation. We can all benifit from this coin and move forward. Now, choice is yours. IE outlined a very good plan of action, and I 100% support that plan.

Time to clean house.



It doesn't matter what you say or even can prove they do not care. If the people I "accused" came forward and admitted everything I said was true, half the people here wouldn't care. Greed is more powerful than rational thinking and many of the people here are hoping they will become rich from BlackCoin. So they are blinded by the prospects of being rich and throwing all commonsense out of the window. Only one person who is probably my most fierce critic asked the most basic question. What does he have to gain? If I wanted "attention" I could have found a less controversial way of getting attention. If it was control it has already been pointed out no one can solely control BlackCoin. So it seems I would have far more to lose than gain by exposing this scheme. However, the dev team & the foundation personally attacked me over the weekend for two days straight. Why? What do they gain by attacking one person repeatedly for over 2 days? Why am I so "important" that I warrant that much attention. If I am just some "internet scammer" who lies why waste that much energy on me? At that time I didn't accuse them of anything, I just asked two simple questions about the PR firm plan. Why am I such a threat to them? All I am doing is promoting BC so why "hate" me so much? Most rational thinking people would step back and ask themselves that question when greed is not at play, but when greed is at play people just ignore the obvious warning signs. Bernie Madoff was able to con all those people for decades with all the red flags and concerns because people were greedy and he was giving them a great ROI. But when the money party was over everyone wanted to blame him, but in reality they should have blamed themselves.

The people that I named will eventually all turn on each other because that is human nature. Anytime you mix millions of dollars, young men, strangers, and power all together you have a perfect cocktail for self destruction. That cocktail intensifies when you mix in conspiracy to defraud.

And for the record rat4 and SoepKip are not in charge, the "Group" is in charge. SeopKip is just being used like they attempted to use me, but the difference between me and SopKip is I am no ones B.i.ch. Once they get what they want he will be the first one they turn on.

In regards to the DDos attack and my prior knowledge. As I pointed out numerous times I was not involved nor do I condone that kind of behavior. If someone claims they are going to attack someone's server, I am not legally obligated to warn the owners of the server. And why would I? Why would I warn the people that are ripping the community off? So please stop with the BS claims of me committing a crime because I didn't. Besides, I have no way to ascertain if someone threats over the internet are legitimate or not.

Finally, I want to thank everyone who has sent me positive PMs, I sincerely appreciate it. It is comforting to know that some people can take off the blinders of greed and navigate through the BS and see things for what they are.


PS: And for the record prior to me exposing the scheme not once has the dev team or the people I listed from the group ever publicly called me a liar, and with all the dancing back and forth and convoluted explanations they still haven't called me a liar.
 
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1002


So, like I've been saying, the whole foundation idea needs to end now, and those involved step down so we can move forward and move this coin to next level. Unless we clean house, this coin with so much potential will be tanished reputation. Quite sad, few greedy people that want more than there share, will behind scenes make some short term profits, instead of the profits we could be seeing right now with this coin at record highs and volume.

If you kids in IRC and the DOGE don't step down and let others take over, or matter fact, nobody take over, no foundation. We can all benifit from this coin and move forward. Now, choice is yours. IE outlined a very good plan of action, and I 100% support that plan.

Time to clean house.

Tell us what you have done creative for BC ? To show us that any sort of foundation is not necessary
Let me guess ? Nothing ?
"foundation" - is working for free, no one pay them if you don't agree with them make your own second one because you can do it better
there can be 2-3 and more such "foundation" projects if you want start new one will be better for us.

To go higher than NXT  eg. we need to organize some things it can be "foundation" .Later no one will care about foundation like with BTC
but 1st we need to grow more with look at BTC there is so many projects and most of them is not connected with foundation.
full member
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I would like to thank all members (Maarx, MoriTori, Digicidal, Dzimbeck, Brammien, etc) who have since given courteous and professional responses, while providing more details.  You have electronically restored some of my faith in this community.  More constructive steps need to be taken so I hope that this BC Team and Iconic (and I sincerely hope both) can fulfill their goals and promises, fair and just.    

I encourage members to read all current and impending posts with an open mind.  Be subjective and choose your path, but with neutrality and not to enflame tensions.  It serves in our best interests to be the strongest community in the TOP 10.  

As for the rest of you that continue to post heedlessly without discretion, needing attention like 'The Kardashians', you are only fueling your demise and possible future banning.  You can create new rogue accounts, but are those your attainable goals in life?  I pity you for wasting yours and everyone else's time when you could be making money to accumulate more BC or find a cure for cancer.  Either way, you could've won, but won't.  

Keep in mind, if crypto was to be regulated or laws/protocols to be enforced, they (governments, NSA, IRS) will have the capacity to link wallets to indentities, IP's, traffic, etc. and they can use offenders to be made an example of.  If you think government think tanks haven't already played out this scenario, then you fail to realize that our governments are older than us, will always find a way to make-take money, and will use anyone/anything for a scapegoat.  It would not be beneficial to anyone to have ambitions none other than genuine for BC.  On the other hand, the perceived value of BC could be a game changer so imagine the worth?  You can't stop a few things-the will of people to fight tyranny and oppression, computers, and money/barter.  

So my question to everyone is.......do you want to be on the right side of history, pass this story down to your kids, and be a part of a revolution?
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 503
The Foundation is not going away, they were there from the beginning but the name Foundation was not used. It is being formalized with a core purpose and that will be spelled out to all of us in the coming days. Judging by the events that transpired after the radio static fiasco and current pricing that same team has got us to were we are. I won't be biting the hand the feeds me. We could of been a pump and dump coin and we are clearly not that. 
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
This is sadly kind of funny, really.

The game of musical chairs seem to continue ("the dev will not be in but almost for sure as an advisor", one minute, "the dev will not only be in but will have to approve of the rest of the board", the next...)

And, slowly but surely, the cloak and dagger schemes coming to light: There IS an organized investment group operating in the background and closely linked if not controlled by one or more smooth operators of the dev team. There IS in "buying on dips" scheme when buying with the proceeds from the Poll (why wouldn't it be if they are killing several birds with the same stone, i.e.: dumping (carefully) their millions of coins and buying back on dips they control and create: No risks there). Can the group have an approximate holding number more or less exactly 7.5 million coins... just to make Iconic's "wild accusations" completely exact? I am going to bet that that is -or was as of yesterday- the exact number than this organized group controls. And since I am on a betting mood, I am going to also bet that the DOGE IS indeed part and parcel, the key one, that controls this group. Keeping on the betting mood, I am going to also bet that we are going to find out, very, very soon, the rest of the players, identities, wallets (some of them, not all of course) and all. Interesting to wait and see.

Oh and there IS a massive land grab rush that has already taken place (save for a couple of musical chairs still to be assigned), because, quite frankly, IconicExpert steered the pot, not only demanded a plan but came with one on his own -wild as it was (the guy can be quite wild), it WAS a plan-, was getting quite a bit of things done and presented an obvious problem for the "group" that otherwise would have gladly let things evolve they way they were evolving because, frankly, they were evolving extraordinarily well for the group and much better than any average for the sheep investors and newcomers. So IE became a thorn that had to be counter and neutralized with a rushed land grab, official, not  in the shadow, as it was in reality... Ta da: The Foundation.

Now they are selling you, the sheep investors and other ra-ra gallery, the pen of the Foundation purpose and goals... to be carried out, basically, by that very group of investors that want you to see nothing wrong with the controlling group of holders of the coin being also in control of the destiny of the coin. In other words, playing with marked cards... not in other words, in those exact words.  Funny indeed.

Io te saluto, Don Corleone...



So, like I've been saying, the whole foundation idea needs to end now, and those involved step down so we can move forward and move this coin to next level. Unless we clean house, this coin with so much potential will be tanished reputation. Quite sad, few greedy people that want more than there share, will behind scenes make some short term profits, instead of the profits we could be seeing right now with this coin at record highs and volume.

If you kids in IRC and the DOGE don't step down and let others take over, or matter fact, nobody take over, no foundation. We can all benifit from this coin and move forward. Now, choice is yours. IE outlined a very good plan of action, and I 100% support that plan.

Time to clean house.
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legendary
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Sigh. More FUD from you barabbas, and smears backed by nothing any more than your nebulous 'feelings' on the matter.

You 'bet?' well good for you. You're no better than Iconic or anyone else spreading FUD based on innuendo, character attacks and a lack of any actual, verifiable evidence. No matter how many times people counter your garbage with material evidence to the contrary, you continue to make posts backed by nothing more than your than your own spurious assumptions.

barabbas, I bestow upon you the 'Glenn Beck' award for 'truthiness.'

Bluster, conjecture and unfounded 'theories' seem to be your stock in trade. It's amazing you can talk so much, yet provide so little of substance for your claims.

Please, continue to offer your tinfoil 'theories,' everybody else is getting back to real work and actually making positive things happen.

yeah too bad we cant design a forum that is filtered by "proof of stupid" lol lots of people here just rambling when all they have to do is spend that energy getting more miners. Regardless man, everyone here needs to quit fighting and limit their posts to be positive and less theorizing.
newbie
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Sigh. More FUD from you barabbas, and smears backed by nothing any more than your nebulous 'feelings' on the matter.

You 'bet?' well good for you. You're no better than Iconic or anyone else spreading FUD based on innuendo, character attacks and a lack of any actual, verifiable evidence. No matter how many times people counter your garbage with material evidence to the contrary, you continue to make posts backed by nothing more than your than your own spurious assumptions.

barabbas, I bestow upon you the 'Glenn Beck' award for 'truthiness.'

Bluster, conjecture and unfounded 'theories' seem to be your stock in trade. It's amazing you can talk so much, yet provide so little of substance for your claims.

Please, continue to offer your tinfoil 'theories,' everybody else is getting back to real work and actually making positive things happen.
legendary
Activity: 2412
Merit: 1044
another reason for the drop was jealousy. Lots of people scrambled to make their own bc and have tried to copy the model... lol. And they try to delude the people buying it that its somehow unique or something. wc=badgercoin and asia=zimstake and cinni=jealousycoin. Once they tire themselves out they will realize that a copy is never as good as the original.
hero member
Activity: 854
Merit: 506
I have been here since the start mining it. It is a fast coin. It has a hellova dev team and community. Always Bet On Black!!!!
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