[ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision - page 74.

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Quote from: hv_ on October 28, 2019, 10:54:30 AM

Bcoreans and SegWit devs just fear to get removed

Out of their power

https://mobile.twitter.com/bsvdragon/status/1113797376248934401?s=21

Triggerd.

Social media trolls as well (writing such spam posts above would just cost too much)

Metanet kills all that free trolling

Cannot wait....

Metanet won't "kill" anything. Mainly because it will never exist.

Besides, you guys enjoy trolling for free too much. C'mon just admit it, freche trolle.

The metanet already exists

And yes posting shit here is way too cheap.

No wonder fxtroll is unable to find out the truth (or one need to spam truth more over for him)

Bitcoin is a truth machine. But only on chain.

2nd layer and interfaces introduce just risks. SegShit and anarcho features are biggest risks such that never global bootstrapping can happen. Risk: it is soooo easy to shut btc down.

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Bcoreans and SegWit devs just fear to get removed

Out of their power

https://mobile.twitter.com/bsvdragon/status/1113797376248934401?s=21

Triggerd.

Social media trolls as well (writing such spam posts above would just cost too much)

Metanet kills all that free trolling

Cannot wait....

hv_

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lol it is hilarious seeing ppl trying to defend this traaaaaasssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! HAHAHAHA

Bitcoin does defend itself - by pure design / economics

SegWit / LN / whatelse is not sustainable

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Quote from: Bitcoin SV on October 28, 2019, 07:34:34 AM

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CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.

Prove me wrong ! Still waiting.

What in heaven's name are you talking about?

Where is a proof that CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin?

Prove me wrong or piss off from BSV, trolls! Still waiting.

There is no 100% proof - never will.

just watch his latest interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xap67QIrBNc

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CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.

Prove me wrong ! Still waiting.

What in heaven's name are you talking about?

Where is a proof that CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin?

Prove me wrong or piss off from BSV, trolls! Still waiting.

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This is an endless Loop for some private blokes - u can decide for yourself what you think bitcoin 'is'

We just say, derive it from the Original Definition - > Satoshi White Paper

it follows strictly

BSV is the Original Bitcoin -

- Triggers trolls, I know - cannto fix that

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New app on bsv

Thx Jimmy for efforts

https://mobile.twitter.com/JimmyWinMedia/status/1188530397921103873

Winning

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Quote from: Viper1 on October 27, 2019, 05:48:27 AM

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Quote from: Viper1 on October 27, 2019, 04:08:15 AM

Quote from: hv_ on October 27, 2019, 03:58:06 AM

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Too bad that almost all BSV transactions are being made by the same handful of addresses.

What? Are you saying they're... spamming to fake their transactions? Say it isn't so cause I need to believe!

Given all the spam that disappeared from bitcoin once the block size battle was resolved it doesn't surprise me they'd do something like that.

Define SPAM, especially on BitCoin where it costs fees to send txs.

I ll give u a hint

How about productive network capacity demonstration or real use.

Spam happens on free internet, metanet will fix all that

You've been here long enough to not be so clueless.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Spam_transactions

The network was being spammed to inflate the transactions in order to attempt to justify increasing the block size. And yes, it costs money and they were willing to do that. When they didn't get their way, miraculously they started bitcoin cash and the spam on bitcoin went away. Go figure.

No, not spam again. Rather expensive pointing out / voting for having enough exzess capacity that is needed for exponential growing social networks.

Yes, I m long enough here to get that

Learn, ppl only change things for the good after they got hurt - or better, by figuring out where is better incentives

"We can phase in a change later if we get closer to needing it."

"A higher limit can be phased in once we have actual use closer to the limit and make sure it’s working OK."

"The current threshold is 200KB per block, or about 1000 transactions per block. I think it should be lowered to 50KB per block. That would still be more than 100 times the average transactions per block.

The threshold can easily be changed in the future. We can decide to increase it when the time comes. It's a good idea to keep it lower as a circuit breaker and increase it as needed."

That's what Satoshi himself had to say about block sizes and "spam". Looks to me like he was more in favor of incremental changes as opposed to just opening it all up. So neither Bitcoin Cash or SV seem to have followed that direction. Neither has Bitcoin to be frank. But SV claiming it's the "original vision" is just laughable.

Ugg, how much was the costs of fees sending a txs those early times?

Ok, u get it now, for 0 costs - yes u need spam protection.

The rest is a no brainer

But good you had sth to laugh about, it may free up thinking

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I swear it looks like he just copy/pastes some random text about bitcoin from the internet and text spins it, but I can't prove it (yet). Most of his posts (like several other now-banned profiles that used to comment here) are just these out-of-context newsbite essays, with something about BSV tacked on the end of it.

It's more like he takes threads like this and crafts his own "version".

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Quote from: Viper1 on October 27, 2019, 04:08:15 AM

Quote from: hv_ on October 27, 2019, 03:58:06 AM

Quote from: Viper1 on October 27, 2019, 03:27:44 AM

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Too bad that almost all BSV transactions are being made by the same handful of addresses.

What? Are you saying they're... spamming to fake their transactions? Say it isn't so cause I need to believe!

Given all the spam that disappeared from bitcoin once the block size battle was resolved it doesn't surprise me they'd do something like that.

Define SPAM, especially on BitCoin where it costs fees to send txs.

I ll give u a hint

How about productive network capacity demonstration or real use.

Spam happens on free internet, metanet will fix all that

You've been here long enough to not be so clueless.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Spam_transactions

The network was being spammed to inflate the transactions in order to attempt to justify increasing the block size. And yes, it costs money and they were willing to do that. When they didn't get their way, miraculously they started bitcoin cash and the spam on bitcoin went away. Go figure.

No, not spam again. Rather expensive pointing out / voting for having enough exzess capacity that is needed for exponential growing social networks.

Yes, I m long enough here to get that

Learn, ppl only change things for the good after they got hurt - or better, by figuring out where is better incentives

"We can phase in a change later if we get closer to needing it."

"A higher limit can be phased in once we have actual use closer to the limit and make sure it’s working OK."

"The current threshold is 200KB per block, or about 1000 transactions per block. I think it should be lowered to 50KB per block. That would still be more than 100 times the average transactions per block.

The threshold can easily be changed in the future. We can decide to increase it when the time comes. It's a good idea to keep it lower as a circuit breaker and increase it as needed."

That's what Satoshi himself had to say about block sizes and "spam". Looks to me like he was more in favor of incremental changes as opposed to just opening it all up. So neither Bitcoin Cash or SV seem to have followed that direction. Neither has Bitcoin to be frank. But SV claiming it's the "original vision" is just laughable.

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Miners are running the show, the backbone, the creation of blocks, the verification of everything

If they don't do all such, they might get orphaned and risk losing chunks of money or even entire long term investments.

It is redicules to believe some reconciliation with thick clients (slow nodes) on RasPI piss would do anything good

Watch this

https://mobile.twitter.com/ZeroNoncense/status/1188187298652930049?s=20

Quote from: Viper1 on October 27, 2019, 04:08:15 AM

Quote from: hv_ on October 27, 2019, 03:58:06 AM

Quote from: Viper1 on October 27, 2019, 03:27:44 AM

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Too bad that almost all BSV transactions are being made by the same handful of addresses.

What? Are you saying they're... spamming to fake their transactions? Say it isn't so cause I need to believe!

Given all the spam that disappeared from bitcoin once the block size battle was resolved it doesn't surprise me they'd do something like that.

Define SPAM, especially on BitCoin where it costs fees to send txs.

I ll give u a hint

How about productive network capacity demonstration or real use.

Spam happens on free internet, metanet will fix all that

You've been here long enough to not be so clueless.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Spam_transactions

The network was being spammed to inflate the transactions in order to attempt to justify increasing the block size. And yes, it costs money and they were willing to do that. When they didn't get their way, miraculously they started bitcoin cash and the spam on bitcoin went away. Go figure.

No, not spam again. Rather expensive pointing out / voting for having enough exzess capacity that is needed for exponential growing social networks.

Yes, I m long enough here to get that

Learn, ppl only change things for the good after they got hurt - or better, by figuring out where is better incentives

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Quote from: hv_ on October 27, 2019, 03:58:06 AM

Quote from: Viper1 on October 27, 2019, 03:27:44 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Too bad that almost all BSV transactions are being made by the same handful of addresses.

What? Are you saying they're... spamming to fake their transactions? Say it isn't so cause I need to believe!

Given all the spam that disappeared from bitcoin once the block size battle was resolved it doesn't surprise me they'd do something like that.

Define SPAM, especially on BitCoin where it costs fees to send txs.

I ll give u a hint

How about productive network capacity demonstration or real use.

Spam happens on free internet, metanet will fix all that

You've been here long enough to not be so clueless.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Spam_transactions

The network was being spammed to inflate the transactions in order to attempt to justify increasing the block size. And yes, it costs money and they were willing to do that. When they didn't get their way, miraculously they started bitcoin cash and the spam on bitcoin went away. Go figure.

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Quote from: Viper1 on October 27, 2019, 03:27:44 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Too bad that almost all BSV transactions are being made by the same handful of addresses.

What? Are you saying they're... spamming to fake their transactions? Say it isn't so cause I need to believe!

Given all the spam that disappeared from bitcoin once the block size battle was resolved it doesn't surprise me they'd do something like that.

Define SPAM, especially on BitCoin where it costs fees to send txs.

I ll give u a hint

How about productive network capacity demonstration or real use.

Spam happens on free internet, metanet will fix all that

Quote from: ðºÞæ on October 27, 2019, 02:52:27 AM

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THEYMOS HELP! CLOSE THIS TROLL'S TOPIC! LOOK WHAT ARE THEY DOING

Quickly, the only coin which can scale, we cant have that, Hell, No.

Sayonara BTC was nice knowing you, but things to do and places to go.
Next one Ethereum another sitting lame duck.

Yes. The only use case for lame ducks I know is:

Hodle it for a while and eat it, Peking style

Grin

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Too bad that almost all BSV transactions are being made by the same handful of addresses.

What? Are you saying they're... spamming to fake their transactions? Say it isn't so cause I need to believe!

Given all the spam that disappeared from bitcoin once the block size battle was resolved it doesn't surprise me they'd do something like that.

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THEYMOS HELP! CLOSE THIS TROLL'S TOPIC! LOOK WHAT ARE THEY DOING

Quickly, the only coin which can scale, we cant have that, Hell, No.

Sayonara BTC was nice knowing you, but things to do and places to go.
Next one Ethereum another sitting lame duck.

Hueristic

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Quote from: Bitcoin SV on October 24, 2019, 02:41:16 PM

Bitcoin is scam created by darknet pedophiles.

You can say that again but we both know you're not telling the truth but trying to fool some naive crypto users and investors who aren't aware of the BSV team imposter situation.
I have a question for you if bitcoin is a scam created by the darknet as you said. Why did Craig claim to be bitcoin creator and also use the word "Bitcoin Satoshi vision" to inherit the legacy of something you said to be scam?

This is a great point. If Craig had launched his coin (it was never meant to be its own coin BTW, it was meant to be Bitcoin Cash -- they just lost the hash war for the BCH ticker) under a different name that didn't have the word "Bitcoin" in it, I think it would have been a lot less controversial. Nobody in the Bitcoin community would have minded.

But he didn't do this. Instead, he pursued the exact same tactics that BCH uses against BTC, with the added lie that he is Satoshi, and now its a sliver of BCH, which is a sliver of BTC. He should have learned from BCH's mistakes instead of doubling down on them.

This is an excellent point, what he should have done is launched his own coin and maybe he wouldn't be the laughing stock he is now.

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Quote from: jbreher on October 25, 2019, 03:19:30 PM

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"You can not patent code. You can only patent an invention which is implemented in your code. An invention is a new and unique way of doing something. Most of all, it must be something nobody did before. If anyone used the same technique which you describe in your patent, that's called prior art and invalidates your patent. So trying to get a patent on something somebody else invented and implemented in code would be futile. ..."

No shit. Relevance?

Did you somehow forget your dev is crypto's biggest patent troll?

While I am unsure on the matter, I think nChain has the largest portfolio of patents in the crypto currency and Blockchain space. Not knowing your definition of "patent troll" -- not exactly a dictionary term -- I really have no way to respond to your question.

Incidentally, the title of 'your dev' is a complete non-sequitur, seeing as 'dev' is pretty universally applied to 'the peeps who write the code'. An activity that CSW (am I safe in assuming it is him to which you refer?) pays others to do. And, of course, that whole 'your' thing.

Though whatever the outcome of that little sidebar, it sheds exactly zero light upon the questionable relevance of the quoted tirade by BitcoinFX.

Try again? Or let BitcoinFX speak for him/herself?

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Quote from: jbreher on October 25, 2019, 03:19:30 PM

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"You can not patent code. You can only patent an invention which is implemented in your code. An invention is a new and unique way of doing something. Most of all, it must be something nobody did before. If anyone used the same technique which you describe in your patent, that's called prior art and invalidates your patent. So trying to get a patent on something somebody else invented and implemented in code would be futile. ..."

No shit. Relevance?

Did you somehow forget your dev is crypto's biggest patent troll?

Apparently being a fraud and a conman wasn't low enough for him.

This ^

- https://github.com/bitcoin-sv/bitcoin-sv/blob/master/LICENSE

"Open BSV License
Copyright (c) 2019 Bitcoin Association

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal
in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights
to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is
furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

1 - The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in
all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
2 - The Software, and any software that is derived from the Software or parts thereof,
can only be used on the Bitcoin SV blockchains. The Bitcoin SV blockchains are defined,
for purposes of this license, as the Bitcoin blockchain containing block height #556767
with the hash "000000000000000001d956714215d96ffc00e0afda4cd0a96c96f8d802b1662b" and
the test blockchains that are supported by the un-modified Software.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE
AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER
LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM,
OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN
THE SOFTWARE.

Version 0.1.1 of the Bitcoin SV software, and prior versions of software upon which it was based,
were licensed under the MIT License, which is included below.

The MIT License (MIT)

Copyright (c) 2009-2010 Satoshi Nakamoto
Copyright (c) 2009-2015 Bitcoin Developers
Copyright (c) 2009-2017 The Bitcoin Core developers
Copyright (c) 2017 The Bitcoin ABC developers
Copyright (c) 2018 Bitcoin Association

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal
in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights
to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is
furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in
all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE
AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER
LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM,
OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN
THE SOFTWARE."

...

Which came first the chicken or the egg ?

CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.

It's time to BUILD, a solid legal case against BSV. - SWIM

...

- https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/07/blockstream-commits-patent-nonaggression

...

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (5/8) Movie CLIP - Invincible Sword Goddess (2000) HD
- https://youtu.be/X5SaZ8EmSpw *Satire*

Cheesy

You fail to establish any relevancy for your spouting. You also seem to have a rather flawed understanding of IP law. Lesson one: patents and copyrights are two completely different things.

Exactly what point do you think you are making by quoting the Open BSV License?

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Quote from: Bitcoin SV on October 26, 2019, 06:39:25 AM

In this topic, complete freedom of speech and anarchy

Except for the 303 comments you have deleted Cheesy

Might as well just keep deleting them dude. Theymos isn't going to close my thread, but you can delete my comments from this one.

Because rights and freedoms should only be for normal peoples. Not for trolls like you

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Quote from: Bitcoin SV on October 26, 2019, 06:39:25 AM

In this topic, complete freedom of speech and anarchy

Except for the 303 comments you have deleted Cheesy

Might as well just keep deleting them dude. Theymos isn't going to close my thread, but you can delete my comments from this one.

U wanna have some overview about how many ( not only of mine) posts got deleted by just arguing pro on chain scaling and against introducing technical debt like Segshit or 'privacy features' into the original protocol?

Many sane legends have left this place also because of censorship

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Quote from: hv_ on October 26, 2019, 04:23:44 AM

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Did you somehow forget your dev is crypto's biggest patent troll?

Apparently being a fraud and a conman wasn't low enough for him.

On a frozen, locked down protocol design, there is no dev needed

That's funny. Just yesterday you said there was still work to be done in "unfuckening" the protocol. Sounds like you're gonna need a dev for that.

Quote from: hv_ on October 26, 2019, 04:23:44 AM

Telling ppl to trust into devs is the fraud,

Especially if its your dev.

Slowly u might get that, sure there is refactoring needed

Most due to the shit that got injected by devs having no clue what BitCoin was designed to do.

But all such things are cleaning and scaling tasks, so that after Genesis release we have TCP/IP like state of protocol stability, and all BSV apps will be smoothly running after for many years
without any fear of getting 'deved out of functioning' by insanity

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Quote from: Bitcoin SV on October 26, 2019, 09:19:51 AM

Bitcoin is not accords to early Bitcoin Principes

Neither is Bitcoin SV which is born out right from the posts from Satoshi on this very forum.

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