[ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented - page 145.

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Quote from: Barcode_ on June 05, 2017, 03:01:10 AM

I think the admin of the site does get some donations from users that like the site service and from the amount of donations collected, the admin are still able to handle the transaction fees but in my opinion as the site gets more and more popular in the future, more donations might be needed to handle the huge volume of transaction fees.

I think that the donation model is only going to be partially covering the transaction fees. Because rightn ow if you are sending bitcoins you're looking at least 0.001 BTC and that's if you're lucky. Exodus is charging like 0.004 BTC per transaction which is crazy. It's ultimately not up to us how chipmixer watns to operate their business - the donation model might only last a few weeks before a fee schedule is introduced. Who knows. But it's still a hell of a service.

Quote from: aardvark15 on June 07, 2017, 11:40:02 AM

This is a much needed service for Bitcoin users. It will help make Bitcoin more anonymous than it already is. More investors are likely to choose Bitcoin if coin mixing services are successful and are not too expensive.

Makes everything much more simple and effective in mixing coins, ikr?

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This is definitely no short of a revolution for bitcoin mixers. Previously traditional bitcoin mixers has never thought of such a creative and anonymous way of doing things and chipmixer is definitely here to innovate.

Also, the fact that they are able to promote their product on the forum whilst only running on donation means that they are in here for the long run. They're not just here to make a quick profit but rather to help out the community.

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This is a much needed service for Bitcoin users. It will help make Bitcoin more anonymous than it already is. More investors are likely to choose Bitcoin if coin mixing services are successful and are not too expensive.

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Wish you guys would have come up perhaps 5 months earlier when I last needed such a service! Great concept wrapped up in simplicity. I do wonder about fees as you'd need pre-splitting up into chips but it seems you've managed that well enough.

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There is an article about ChipMixer on /r/Bitcoin: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6fonlz/chipmixer_building_a_better_bitcoin_mixer/

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Based on what I read right now I might as well try this.

I would like to suggest to do some transalations especially to those who are not that great with English so they can comprehend this more. That includes translation of the ANN thread and the site itself so they can understand it more clearly and surely increase the number of users using ChipMixer.

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Quote from: Barcode_ on June 05, 2017, 03:01:10 AM

I think the admin of the site does get some donations from users that like the site service and from the amount of donations collected, the admin are still able to handle the transaction fees but in my opinion as the site gets more and more popular in the future, more donations might be needed to handle the huge volume of transaction fees.

It has been cleared and even said several times that the main source if income is not the donation and the moment the donation is not commensurate with the costs being incurred, then collects fees will be levied for users which is something I feel is the right to do for a mixing service giving control to private keys which is something not common around here.

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Quote from: cafucafucafu on June 04, 2017, 02:59:24 PM

How do you guys avoid paying extravagant transaction fees while you send bitcoin into different chips, some smaller, some larger?

When I sweeped a 0.001 btc chip I got 0.0003btc. I can imagine how much fees you have to deal with on a daily basis while funding these chips. How do you do it??

We pay miners fee like everyone else. Chips are not required to be used instantly, so we can set low fee. When user receives the private key, they can set whatever fee they want.

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I think the admin of the site does get some donations from users that like the site service and from the amount of donations collected, the admin are still able to handle the transaction fees but in my opinion as the site gets more and more popular in the future, more donations might be needed to handle the huge volume of transaction fees.

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Quote from: digaran on June 03, 2017, 05:37:53 AM

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Quote from: digaran on June 01, 2017, 02:19:21 AM

I know that I'm wearing the signature of a competitor, that is actually the only reason I'm here in the first place.

SO you admit that you're posts here aren't in the interest in adding to the thread discussion and original topic, but rather to earn your pay for a post. You should watch yourself with these posts and admitting that you're only in it for the income. There's very little tolerance for blatantly breaking the expectations of signature campaign posters.

I'm not increasing my post count with nonsense or off topic, what you did is a post for pay, I have less than 10 posts here and I'm posting averagely 45 in a week.

It only takes one post where you admit that the only reason you're making the comment is to get paid from the post for you to get blacklisted from most campaigns. Lauda, particularly, has very little paitence for that shit...and you set a bad example for everyone else. My comment was a warning to you...don't ignore it.

As for ChipMixer, it's great that there is finally a mixing service that truly anonymizes the transactions. That's what bitcoin mixers are for. And if the owner of the transaction can't mix the size, quantity, and timing of the outbound transactions from the mixer the service being provided is just smoke and mirrors. People can see through smoke and they can look behind mirrors. These games don't exist at ChipMixer!

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Quote from: ChipMixer on June 03, 2017, 11:50:15 AM

Quote from: digaran on June 03, 2017, 05:37:53 AM

Now @chipmixer: are you melting the coins you are receiving or how would you deal with the tainted coins if not melting them?

By "melting" you mean sending them as a fee and retrieving them as a miner? No.
We take the deposit and split it into chips. When you receive private keys from ChipMixer, you can also get a receipt signed by us which says "chips for those addresses were withdrawn from ChipMixer".
Idea of "taint" is not based on physical property of bitcoins, but on probability of retaining ownership. Chips you receive from ChipMixer are older than your deposit so it is impossible that you retain ownership of the same bitcoins.

How do you guys avoid paying extravagant transaction fees while you send bitcoin into different chips, some smaller, some larger?

When I sweeped a 0.001 btc chip I got 0.0003btc. I can imagine how much fees you have to deal with on a daily basis while funding these chips. How do you do it??

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Quote from: hulla on June 03, 2017, 12:18:02 PM

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Quote from: digaran on June 01, 2017, 02:19:21 AM

Destroying this business and promote my own is my job as it is the rule of the market/business.

Quote from: digaran on June 01, 2017, 08:13:26 AM

In business you don't go cuddle and give a BJ to the competition, you go for the weak points and crush them out of their jobs.
Survival of the fittest bitches, if you are not ready for such an environment then you'll get crushed and killed. bitches right? lol

Quote from: digaran on June 03, 2017, 05:37:53 AM

...I have no intention to accuse/attack any body here, I'm not calling any body a scammer here, all I said was that I have the incentive to be here and discuss with reason, if you want to see it as an attack then so be it....

Really? Seems like you missed your calling as a politician... with such a short memory and natural talent for back tracking... Roll Eyes

If you wanted to "discuss with reason"... maybe spend a little less time on chest-beating and juvenile 'size' tags... and a bit more time putting some thought into your criticism and/or "reasoned" debate...

I'm glad with the respond you guys gave Digaran because he dramatic wanted to increase his post and in other to achieve that he had to make a botched attempt at my Signature campaign and this is bad of you. There are many ways you can promote can signature campaign but not this way.
Now you're asking the ChipMixer dev if they melting the coins they received?
@ChipMixer, you're the best of all bitcoin mixer. Keep up the good work

I would bet good money that neither you nor digaran have ever used this mixer. Sig spam has reached a new paradigm.

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Quote from: HCP on June 03, 2017, 06:17:22 AM

Quote from: digaran on June 01, 2017, 02:19:21 AM

Destroying this business and promote my own is my job as it is the rule of the market/business.

Quote from: digaran on June 01, 2017, 08:13:26 AM

In business you don't go cuddle and give a BJ to the competition, you go for the weak points and crush them out of their jobs.
Survival of the fittest bitches, if you are not ready for such an environment then you'll get crushed and killed. bitches right? lol

Quote from: digaran on June 03, 2017, 05:37:53 AM

...I have no intention to accuse/attack any body here, I'm not calling any body a scammer here, all I said was that I have the incentive to be here and discuss with reason, if you want to see it as an attack then so be it....

Really? Seems like you missed your calling as a politician... with such a short memory and natural talent for back tracking... Roll Eyes

If you wanted to "discuss with reason"... maybe spend a little less time on chest-beating and juvenile 'size' tags... and a bit more time putting some thought into your criticism and/or "reasoned" debate...

I'm glad with the respond you guys gave Digaran because he dramatic wanted to increase his post and in other to achieve that he had to make a botched attempt at my Signature campaign and this is bad of you. There are many ways you can promote can signature campaign but not this way.
Now you're asking the ChipMixer dev if they melting the coins they received?
@ChipMixer, you're the best of all bitcoin mixer. Keep up the good work

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Quote from: digaran on June 03, 2017, 05:37:53 AM

Now @chipmixer: are you melting the coins you are receiving or how would you deal with the tainted coins if not melting them?

By "melting" you mean sending them as a fee and retrieving them as a miner? No.
We take the deposit and split it into chips. When you receive private keys from ChipMixer, you can also get a receipt signed by us which says "chips for those addresses were withdrawn from ChipMixer".
Idea of "taint" is not based on physical property of bitcoins, but on probability of retaining ownership. Chips you receive from ChipMixer are older than your deposit so it is impossible that you retain ownership of the same bitcoins.

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Quote from: digaran on June 01, 2017, 02:19:21 AM

Destroying this business and promote my own is my job as it is the rule of the market/business.

Quote from: digaran on June 01, 2017, 08:13:26 AM

In business you don't go cuddle and give a BJ to the competition, you go for the weak points and crush them out of their jobs.
Survival of the fittest bitches, if you are not ready for such an environment then you'll get crushed and killed. bitches right? lol

Quote from: digaran on June 03, 2017, 05:37:53 AM

...I have no intention to accuse/attack any body here, I'm not calling any body a scammer here, all I said was that I have the incentive to be here and discuss with reason, if you want to see it as an attack then so be it....

Really? Seems like you missed your calling as a politician... with such a short memory and natural talent for back tracking... Roll Eyes

If you wanted to "discuss with reason"... maybe spend a little less time on chest-beating and juvenile 'size' tags... and a bit more time putting some thought into your criticism and/or "reasoned" debate...

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Quote from: HabBear on June 01, 2017, 01:21:19 PM

Quote from: digaran on June 01, 2017, 02:19:21 AM

I know that I'm wearing the signature of a competitor, that is actually the only reason I'm here in the first place.

SO you admit that you're posts here aren't in the interest in adding to the thread discussion and original topic, but rather to earn your pay for a post. You should watch yourself with these posts and admitting that you're only in it for the income. There's very little tolerance for blatantly breaking the expectations of signature campaign posters.

Quote from: digaran on June 01, 2017, 02:19:21 AM

Destroying this business and promote my own is my job as it is the rule of the market/business.

Your attacks only hurt the Bitmixer brand...does someone needed mixing services want to work with a company that attacks their competition? Or a company like ChipMixer that wants to help the entire Bitcoin community?

I'm not increasing my post count with nonsense or off topic, what you did is a post for pay, I have less than 10 posts here and I'm posting averagely 45 in a week.
I have no intention to accuse/attack any body here, I'm not calling any body a scammer here, all I said was that I have the incentive to be here and discuss with reason, if you want to see it as an attack then so be it.
My point here is that as a Bitcoin user if I ever wanted to mix my coins then a service such as Bitmixer is more convenient for me to use, yes I know I can simply send coins in those chips to an address which only I have access to it's private key, but as I said it, more convenient.

Now @chipmixer: are you melting the coins you are receiving or how would you deal with the tainted coins if not melting them?

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Quote from: HCP on June 02, 2017, 01:21:07 AM

And just in case that is not clear, I'll simplify it for you:

So, send the contents of AddressA, AddressB and AddresC to Chipmixer... they give you a bunch of chips... because you're such a swell guy you "donate" 0.05 BTC worth of chips... collect the keys for the 1.2 BTC remaining... and then "sweep" them to AddressD...

While I agree with your post, this part is not accurate. Sweeping is an on-chain transaction and it takes fee. If you try to sweep 1.2 BTC then Mystery Man will receive 1.2 - miners fee and as we all know, Mystery Man does not like receiving less than they asked so it is better to not to donate and send everything to Mystery Man. And hope he will be pleased.

Jokes aside, an easy procedure with Electrum wallet:
a) Click "File" then "New"
b) Name the wallet an identity you want to link your funds with. Ie. "Customer A of Mystery Man"
This ensures that bitcoins you have received from mixer will not leak into your other wallets that were not mixed. Mystery Man will not know that you are also Customer B or that you have 100 BTC in cold storage.
c) Click "Normal wallet" then "Import priv keys"
d) Paste chip's private keys
e) Use wallet as you normally would. When it is empty, delete it.

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Quote from: digaran on June 01, 2017, 01:36:26 AM

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What if I wanted to send some coins from several addresses and then send their balances to one address which I don't own or control, should I simply send private keys to the buyer of my coins while he gave me an address and I have no means of communicating to let him know and even if I did then he wouldn't put his trust in me knowing I have the private keys.

Quote from: digaran on June 01, 2017, 08:42:31 AM

Here I simplify it for you:
I have 0.4 in address A, 0.4 in address B, 0.45 in address C and trying to sell 1.2 to address D which some body gave it to me to send him 1.2 to him and is waiting for me to send him 1.2BTC.
When I'm using Bitmixer I could send 3 transactions and the extra 0.05 I consider as fees, so I send Bitmixer 1.25 and they will send 1.2 to the address D.

I honestly don't see what the problem is? Your big beef with chipmixer is that you don't think you can send to some given address because all you have is private keys and supposedly no way to contact the person you're dealing with? (one wonders how you setup the deal in the first place? Huh

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Anyway... Ignoring the fact that this seems like a fairly "edge case" scenario, your argument ignores the fundamental rule of Bitcoin that if you have the private keys, you can control the coins.

Why can't you just execute a sweep transaction that sends the contents of the private keys provided by Chipmixer directly to the "Mystery Man" waiting for his 1.2? Huh

There is no rule that a sweep must go to an address in your wallet...

And just in case that is not clear, I'll simplify it for you:

So, send the contents of AddressA, AddressB and AddresC to Chipmixer... they give you a bunch of chips... because you're such a swell guy you "donate" 0.05 BTC worth of chips... collect the keys for the 1.2 BTC remaining... and then "sweep" them to AddressD...

All this kind of reminds me of a common saying:

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Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

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Quote from: digaran on June 01, 2017, 02:19:21 AM

I know that I'm wearing the signature of a competitor, that is actually the only reason I'm here in the first place.

SO you admit that you're posts here aren't in the interest in adding to the thread discussion and original topic, but rather to earn your pay for a post. You should watch yourself with these posts and admitting that you're only in it for the income. There's very little tolerance for blatantly breaking the expectations of signature campaign posters.

Quote from: digaran on June 01, 2017, 02:19:21 AM

Destroying this business and promote my own is my job as it is the rule of the market/business.

Your attacks only hurt the Bitmixer brand...does someone needed mixing services want to work with a company that attacks their competition? Or a company like ChipMixer that wants to help the entire Bitcoin community?

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Quote from: Iranus on June 01, 2017, 08:30:15 AM

This paragraph, on an objective grammatical level, makes no sense. I'm genuinely confused, you could clear that up for me and we could get back to real discussions about the mixer.

Like, "And my point is to know how can I send several transactions to chipmixer and some body else some where else on the planet which already has given an address to me and is waiting for a specific amount to that address?" You're descending into gibberish.

Here I simplify it for you:
I have 0.4 in address A, 0.4 in address B, 0.45 in address C and trying to sell 1.2 to address D which some body gave it to me to send 1.2 to him and is waiting for me to send him 1.2BTC.
When I'm using Bitmixer I could send 3 transactions and the extra 0.05 I consider as fees, so I send Bitmixer 1.25 and they will send 1.2 to the address D.

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