Topic: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented - page 66. (Read 92708 times)

Hello, I have a problem with receiving chips, the transaction is confirmed, the session is restored with the wallet number to which I sent, but there are no chips. I wrote to the technical support mail, there is no answer for a day, what's the matter? When can I see the chips or the mail inbox?

edit: got my chips back.

Send them another email. They will check if the session is different and if it is, they will most likely investigate and give you the chips.

No chips received yet. Chipmixer replied to my e-mail on 6.9 that the chips would be added. Now it's 16.9 and i still can't find any chips in my session.
Does anyone have the same problem?

edit: deposit address changed...
I must add that I did not check the session daily. Could it be that my session has expired? It can be opened, but the deposit address is different!

Fair enough, but the savings on fees with 3xxx addresses would be just 25ish %, which I don't think will motivate Chipmixer to actually go for it, especially with how the number of daily transactions has been declining in the last couple of months due to Tether's Omni exit. Legacy transactions are getting cheaper to send week after week.

on betting related use case and its privacy implications:
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aggregated over large number of session with betting activity creates additional entropy source that are non-deterministic and it creates additional hurdle for chain analysis since 1-1 mapping between user's UTXO to mixer and its output is now being tampered with.  This occurs because coins input vs output could no longer lostless when traverse thru the mixer.


on bech32 chipmixer blockchain size use reduction and its privacy implication:
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For privacy site to scale to 10x of it's current size, the mixing layer could save 100 of MBytes on BTC blockchain over period as a little as a month by the move the mixing operation to off chain transaction with bech32 address over off chain channels such as Lightning Network, CoinSwap, multisignature, etc.  This would have significant privacy implications because it would appear indistinguishable from regular single-signature on-chain transaction.  Chipmixer can also use a mixture of its own payment channel as well as various other established payment channel to spread with random capacity for each over it's prolonged mixing session to mitigate privacy risks related to advanced off chain analysis adversaries.

Nested segwit would be a good upgrade and the only incompatibility issues will be with people running nodes that don't use multisig (which I think was before 2014).

I don't think it should be switched to bech32 based on how many people claimed to have "accidentally" hit the "bet" button when there used to be gambling on this site...

an upgrade to nested adresses would suffice too. I don't see why not. They're widely, if not everywhere, accepted.

I don't think it's much of a problem on Chipmixer's end, but more so a problem when it comes to the adoption of bech32 that needs to be more widely deployed.

Bitcoin's lowering fees made people pretty comfortable with how the situation is, hence the majority of the clients don't see much need to add it, though I would have preferred them to be more active and give people that option anyway. The trend within crypto seems to be to only act when its needed, and not make sure you're ready to onboard more use beforehand. 

I personally don't have much of a problem with Chipmixer not offering bech32 support yet. Even the legacy fees aren't usually topping $1 per transaction.

Along with what Loyce said above, keep in mind that you can always send them an email asking them to extend your session.

imported it 100% and moved and combined with dozen of utxo bc1 (bech32) addresses trickle thru multiple lightening channel and doing massive coinjoin createrawtransaction on tor only bitcoincore node for even better privacy. Keep chips size between most common 0.008 - 0.064 btc to make things more difficult for chain analysis.

There should be an option to get bech32 privatekeys from chipmixer for privacy and lower fees (some 50%+ fewer satoshi paid when bitcoin network gets congested).  This should not be difficult, just need a bit of update with sufficient regression testing on the back office of chipmixing.

you can defeat chain analysis with very large pool of private key spread out randomly over period of several month (years in my case) and move it with huge coinjoins to obfusticate those transactions.  Affording this, however, to do this it isn't exactly cheap.

So did you manage to get your list of keys?

I wonder why there is statement of chipmixer itself.

it does appear that chipmixer.com over clear net having reachability issues.  The .onion over Tor now seems reasonably responsive and after trying multiple mixing sessions no issue were evident.  This to exchange voucher and get a list of private key at all for current or previous BTC deposits over http://chipmixerwzxtzbw.onion

I'm think this applies again:

Now everybody who haven't managed to withdraw their coins, will loose them! for ever! as the sessions expires in 7 days.

The devil is in the details, the differences between different jurisdictions are considerable enough that what in one country will be a legal sting, in another will be an illegal entrapment, or looked at as manufacturing criminals.

That's absolutely not how entrapment laws works or are intended to work. Firstly (although the specifics vary per country) you almost universally you have to demonstrate you would not normally have done the crime if it wasn't for the persuasion or trickery of the police. No joke, the police have quite literally operated a child-pornography site as a honeypot and without extenuating circumstances entrapment is simply not a defense.

But more importantly, if it was a honeypot it would be used for evidence gathering, rather than charging you with a crime per se.

It might be illegal in your country, but legal in another country. Parallel construction may also be used and you won't even know if any laws were broken when gathering the evidence.

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BTW, I can load the clearnet website only with a VPN but it loads immediately, the .onion site works without any issues.

Espionage isn't subject to the same restrictions as domestic law enforcement.  A bitcoin obfuscator that's actually a NSA honeypot wouldn't be able to be used as evidence against a domestic tax cheat because of anti-entrapment laws.  But if they're tracking an international drug cartel or a terrorist cell (domestic or not) those anit-entrapment laws are not applicable.  

I studies Law and even worked for Law Enforcement. LA will never do something like that. Illegal obtained proofs can not eve be used in court + they can't break the law as they want. we are not even allowed to use hacking software/guess somebody password without a warrant. if we wanted to get somebodies account details we had to obtain a warrant. (for facebook , for google/yahoo it was more 1000 times more complicated, he had to  use an international mechanism - call our ministry to ask a prosecutor from US to call a judge from US to give us an order.).