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Quote from: wasref on April 13, 2015, 02:42:50 PM

Quote from: 00Smurf on April 13, 2015, 02:42:01 PM

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Quote from: child_harold on April 13, 2015, 02:21:18 PM

Oh come now… don't be so coy… spill the beans. and why do u know if others don't?

Neat. Now child harold is coming to try to salvage the fud attempt by longandshort.

Out of juice = sdc fud team

What makes you think you can do it any better than your master?

Why do you have to single out the COIN, these individuals do not represent the SDC team or community at large, everyone is entitled to their own opinnion and can voice it all they want.

I hold multiple coins, SDC is a primary one yes, does this now make me an SDC FUDDER? Raising legitimate questions and tech discussion is not fudding. Its discussion plain and simple.

If everyone would stop attacking a persons opinions as being a representation of the coin its team or community then maybe there wouldn't be so many troll wars.

Hahahahaha more sdc fud teamers. You are out of juice man. Give it up. Your master longandshort failed.

If there is a problem with the function of crave say so. You sdc fudders suck. You have no specifics. Just vague accusations and nitpicking about things that aren't even implemented.

If you sdc fudders can't say how this coin is not functioning correctly, then you are fudding plain and simple.

I hold well more than just sdc and you are insulting quite a few coins now. If you actually looked at any of my past posts in this thread that i have nothing against crave and i hope it succeeds for the holders.

its gonna have to lots of heavy bags. i bought at 91k this morning. looking for a exit

No prob.........fill my order.Thanks

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FUD army arrived; must be a good sign.

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Quote from: child_harold on April 13, 2015, 02:41:58 PM

im not starting anything. Hyperjacked made some grand claims (emboldened below) and then teased me (us). How does he know who ICM is and on what basis is ICM "the best dev in crypto"? thx in advance

Another tired MO from the sdc fud teamers. We've seen it a million times guys. GET SOME NEW MATERIAL

Pick on one member of a thread for a statement that can be interpreted several ways.

Harold, don't stop with this red herring, I think you have a winner here. Cheesy

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Quote from: 00Smurf on April 13, 2015, 02:42:01 PM

Quote from: tx42 on April 13, 2015, 02:35:25 PM

Quote from: 00Smurf on April 13, 2015, 02:31:39 PM

Quote from: tx42 on April 13, 2015, 02:26:50 PM

Quote from: child_harold on April 13, 2015, 02:21:18 PM

Oh come now… don't be so coy… spill the beans. and why do u know if others don't?

Neat. Now child harold is coming to try to salvage the fud attempt by longandshort.

Out of juice = sdc fud team

What makes you think you can do it any better than your master?

Why do you have to single out the COIN, these individuals do not represent the SDC team or community at large, everyone is entitled to their own opinnion and can voice it all they want.

I hold multiple coins, SDC is a primary one yes, does this now make me an SDC FUDDER? Raising legitimate questions and tech discussion is not fudding. Its discussion plain and simple.

If everyone would stop attacking a persons opinions as being a representation of the coin its team or community then maybe there wouldn't be so many troll wars.

Hahahahaha more sdc fud teamers. You are out of juice man. Give it up. Your master longandshort failed.

If there is a problem with the function of crave say so. You sdc fudders suck. You have no specifics. Just vague accusations and nitpicking about things that aren't even implemented.

If you sdc fudders can't say how this coin is not functioning correctly, then you are fudding plain and simple.

I hold well more than just sdc and you are insulting quite a few coins now. If you actually looked at any of my past posts in this thread that i have nothing against crave and i hope it succeeds for the holders.

its gonna have to lots of heavy bags. i bought at 91k this morning. looking for a exit

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Quote from: tx42 on April 13, 2015, 02:35:25 PM

Quote from: 00Smurf on April 13, 2015, 02:31:39 PM

Quote from: tx42 on April 13, 2015, 02:26:50 PM

Quote from: child_harold on April 13, 2015, 02:21:18 PM

Oh come now… don't be so coy… spill the beans. and why do u know if others don't?

Neat. Now child harold is coming to try to salvage the fud attempt by longandshort.

Out of juice = sdc fud team

What makes you think you can do it any better than your master?

Why do you have to single out the COIN, these individuals do not represent the SDC team or community at large, everyone is entitled to their own opinnion and can voice it all they want.

I hold multiple coins, SDC is a primary one yes, does this now make me an SDC FUDDER? Raising legitimate questions and tech discussion is not fudding. Its discussion plain and simple.

If everyone would stop attacking a persons opinions as being a representation of the coin its team or community then maybe there wouldn't be so many troll wars.

Hahahahaha more sdc fud teamers. You are out of juice man. Give it up. Your master longandshort failed.

If there is a problem with the function of crave say so. You sdc fudders suck. You have no specifics. Just vague accusations and nitpicking about things that aren't even implemented.

If you sdc fudders can't say how this coin is not functioning correctly, then you are fudding plain and simple.

I hold well more than just sdc and you are insulting quite a few coins now. If you actually looked at any of my past posts in this thread that i have nothing against crave and i hope it succeeds for the holders.

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Quote from: trader19 on April 13, 2015, 02:28:06 PM

please guys don't start again. same shit old story Huh

running circles

im not starting anything. Hyperjacked made some grand claims (emboldened below) and then teased me (us). How does he know who ICM is and on what basis is ICM "the best dev in crypto"? thx in advance

Quote from: child_harold on April 13, 2015, 02:21:18 PM

Quote from: Hyperjacked on April 13, 2015, 08:32:02 AM

Quote from: child_harold on April 13, 2015, 08:15:44 AM

Quote from: Hyperjacked on April 13, 2015, 08:12:06 AM

I'm sorry you didn't get memo...because I know who is dumping! Is it not obvious that the DASH and SDC trolls are nervous because of the best dev in crypto ICM and a former Dark Dev Vertoe?
Would not surprise me if large DASH holders are selling DASH buying Crave and selling it at market to drive this coin into the ground!

OK u piqued my interest… who is ICM and why is he/she the best dev in crypto?
As mentioned above I have "philosophical" issues with two-tier networks so Im not asking as an investor, but rather a crypto enthusiast.

Welcome Sir!
Well I dont like ruining surprises...plus I'm all out of popcorn and my Twitter account won't be dusted of until after the burn period! Patience is a virtue...
Cheers!

Oh come now… don't be so coy… spill the beans. and why do u know if others don't?

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Quote from: gnargnar on April 13, 2015, 12:50:30 PM

@allyouracid : i'm not attacking you when I say that you have your "own twisted reality"... nor do i want to find clues in other coins messy ann.

I'm just trying to understand : you have a vested interest in "warning" others here, hence why I used "unclear agenda" ....
Why would someone like you feel it's the right thing to do to "warn" others and since days now spent hours replying here, entering into many dramas, quoting some very specific posts that meet your goals, etc... etc...

please, don't re-quote all your posts just to make your point, because once again it will look fishy, but just answer in few sentences why you are doing that, why you feel it's the right thing to do (god call?), why you want to get remembered as "being/proven right", to make history ?

I'm not shitting on other threads, why you? it's not a kindergarden here, most of us here are adults, and if under 18yo, knows the crypto game.

Is it really that hard to understand that, if someone witnessed all this crap before, that he feels that it's the right thing to warn others?
If so, that's a really sad world here.

If an old lady falls on the street, I am helping her up again. Is that fishy, too? I really don't understand that logic, and I also don't care about being proven right. I just think that it's not right to fool a whole community to buy into some orchestrated mess, just to profit from them. Just have a look at the threads of coins where all this happened. Can you even imagine what kind of mess those pump&dumpers leave behind?

My interest in crypto is sincere, and I think it has the potential to do a lot of changes in the world. Hell, it even does, already! And if some "hours" (I don't think I already spent hours here, but not sure though… doesn't matter, anyway) of posting can prevent at least some guys from saying "fuck crypto, I'm out" because their money was taken for the tenth time, it was worth the effort.

I can understand that, in a board which is nearly 100% profit driven, where everybody rips off his neighbor, even sells his grandma for a few bucks, that it's hard to realize that there are actually people out there who do things out of altruistic reasons. I cannot even blame the users here. They got shat into their faces so often, so it's only natural to have a huge amount of skepticism. But I can assure you, those people exist. They're hard to find, but they're there.

Btw, I really have the feeling that most in here are not adults (without wanting to insult anyone… but have you read all those cheerleading posts, ignoring anything that users - and I'm not mainly talking about myself here - are providing?). At least, many don't behave this way.

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Quote from: wasref on April 13, 2015, 02:39:32 PM

Quote from: tx42 on April 13, 2015, 02:38:05 PM

Be awesome if you could read code. Why do you need the dev to teach you c++?

i do read code but a statement from dev is what is better. if id give my opinion it would be fud

Having an "opinion" about code is like having an opinion about algebra. It either works or it doesn't.

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Quote from: tx42 on April 13, 2015, 02:38:05 PM

Quote from: wasref on April 13, 2015, 02:37:10 PM

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Quote from: tx42 on April 13, 2015, 10:15:15 AM

Quote from: fusecavator on April 13, 2015, 05:40:24 AM

I pmed the dev about this a few days ago, but haven't received any response, nor has anything been done about these, so I'm posting this here now hoping it'll get some answers. This is not the message I sent, this is reworded for general users who I don't expect to know much about the code.

There are multiple things I've found in the code that seem like problems. In the masternode payment enforcement, the code for checking that masternodes are being paid is checking the wrong transaction. In btc(and pow coins like darkcoin which the code came from) the block reward is in the first transaction (vtx[0]), and in PoS forks like crave is, vtx[0] is always left empty and the block reward is in vtx[1]. It can be seen here https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2375 and https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2357 that the code was not updated to look in vtx[1], and continues to look at vtx[0]. It can also be seen a little higher up in the same function that the block verification does check that vtx[0] is empty https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2302 . Since block verification checks that vtx[0] is empty to even get to masternode payment verification, payment verification will never find an output to a masternode in that loop, and should reject all blocks, except it doesn't deadlock due to the next point.

I have about 5 seconds to check this out, but vtx[1] is the marker for PoS in crave.

https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.h#L728

If the rest of your analysis is equally flawed, I'd suggest to the community not to waste to much time worrying about it.

[addendum]

The second paragraph is flawed too. The first points to CBlock and the second to CTransaction.

Yes, vtx[1] is the coinstake transaction, and it looks at it in the IsProofOfStake function, that doesn't contradict anything I said. vtx[0] is where the masternode payment verification code is looking however when the payment is part of that coinstake in vtx[1].

dev be awesome if you clear this up

Be awesome if you could read code. Why do you need the dev to teach you c++?

i do read code but a statement from dev is what is better. if id give my opinion it would be fud

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Quote from: solid12345 on April 13, 2015, 02:29:21 PM

Quote from: timbereagle on April 13, 2015, 02:28:13 PM

166 Masternodes active /// Total Balance: 84996.79411562

increasing

when dev gives us same wallet more nodes, it will be minimum 500 MNs - 250.000 crave.

We are heading Mars guys, stay tight

Don't forget 38% of the supply are staking too!

holy shit! so how much is on Trex? prob not much, could easily be bought out quickly.

edit: support growing past 80BTC

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Quote from: wasref on April 13, 2015, 02:37:10 PM

Quote from: fusecavator on April 13, 2015, 12:20:03 PM

Quote from: tx42 on April 13, 2015, 10:15:15 AM

Quote from: fusecavator on April 13, 2015, 05:40:24 AM

I pmed the dev about this a few days ago, but haven't received any response, nor has anything been done about these, so I'm posting this here now hoping it'll get some answers. This is not the message I sent, this is reworded for general users who I don't expect to know much about the code.

There are multiple things I've found in the code that seem like problems. In the masternode payment enforcement, the code for checking that masternodes are being paid is checking the wrong transaction. In btc(and pow coins like darkcoin which the code came from) the block reward is in the first transaction (vtx[0]), and in PoS forks like crave is, vtx[0] is always left empty and the block reward is in vtx[1]. It can be seen here https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2375 and https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2357 that the code was not updated to look in vtx[1], and continues to look at vtx[0]. It can also be seen a little higher up in the same function that the block verification does check that vtx[0] is empty https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2302 . Since block verification checks that vtx[0] is empty to even get to masternode payment verification, payment verification will never find an output to a masternode in that loop, and should reject all blocks, except it doesn't deadlock due to the next point.

I have about 5 seconds to check this out, but vtx[1] is the marker for PoS in crave.

https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.h#L728

If the rest of your analysis is equally flawed, I'd suggest to the community not to waste to much time worrying about it.

[addendum]

The second paragraph is flawed too. The first points to CBlock and the second to CTransaction.

Yes, vtx[1] is the coinstake transaction, and it looks at it in the IsProofOfStake function, that doesn't contradict anything I said. vtx[0] is where the masternode payment verification code is looking however when the payment is part of that coinstake in vtx[1].

dev be awesome if you clear this up

Be awesome if you could read code. Why do you need the dev to teach you c++?

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Quote from: fusecavator on April 13, 2015, 12:20:03 PM

Quote from: tx42 on April 13, 2015, 10:15:15 AM

Quote from: fusecavator on April 13, 2015, 05:40:24 AM

I pmed the dev about this a few days ago, but haven't received any response, nor has anything been done about these, so I'm posting this here now hoping it'll get some answers. This is not the message I sent, this is reworded for general users who I don't expect to know much about the code.

There are multiple things I've found in the code that seem like problems. In the masternode payment enforcement, the code for checking that masternodes are being paid is checking the wrong transaction. In btc(and pow coins like darkcoin which the code came from) the block reward is in the first transaction (vtx[0]), and in PoS forks like crave is, vtx[0] is always left empty and the block reward is in vtx[1]. It can be seen here https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2375 and https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2357 that the code was not updated to look in vtx[1], and continues to look at vtx[0]. It can also be seen a little higher up in the same function that the block verification does check that vtx[0] is empty https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2302 . Since block verification checks that vtx[0] is empty to even get to masternode payment verification, payment verification will never find an output to a masternode in that loop, and should reject all blocks, except it doesn't deadlock due to the next point.

I have about 5 seconds to check this out, but vtx[1] is the marker for PoS in crave.

https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.h#L728

If the rest of your analysis is equally flawed, I'd suggest to the community not to waste to much time worrying about it.

[addendum]

The second paragraph is flawed too. The first points to CBlock and the second to CTransaction.

Yes, vtx[1] is the coinstake transaction, and it looks at it in the IsProofOfStake function, that doesn't contradict anything I said. vtx[0] is where the masternode payment verification code is looking however when the payment is part of that coinstake in vtx[1].

dev be awesome if you clear this up

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The wallet stuff, debug wallet etc. I get, but need some guidance with the other stuff.
I have a AWS, EC2.
Let me know if you want to help.

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Quote from: 00Smurf on April 13, 2015, 02:31:39 PM

Quote from: tx42 on April 13, 2015, 02:26:50 PM

Quote from: child_harold on April 13, 2015, 02:21:18 PM

Oh come now… don't be so coy… spill the beans. and why do u know if others don't?

Neat. Now child harold is coming to try to salvage the fud attempt by longandshort.

Out of juice = sdc fud team

What makes you think you can do it any better than your master?

Why do you have to single out the COIN, these individuals do not represent the SDC team or community at large, everyone is entitled to their own opinnion and can voice it all they want.

I hold multiple coins, SDC is a primary one yes, does this now make me an SDC FUDDER? Raising legitimate questions and tech discussion is not fudding. Its discussion plain and simple.

If everyone would stop attacking a persons opinions as being a representation of the coin its team or community then maybe there wouldn't be so many troll wars.

Hahahahaha more sdc fud teamers. You are out of juice man. Give it up. Your master longandshort failed.

If there is a problem with the function of crave say so. You sdc fudders suck. You have no specifics. Just vague accusations and nitpicking about things that aren't even implemented.

If you sdc fudders can't say how this coin is not functioning correctly, then you are fudding plain and simple.

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Quote from: racer2012 on April 13, 2015, 02:32:41 PM

Quote from: NEVER.SELL.CRAVE...EVER on April 13, 2015, 02:30:14 PM

It's only matter of time.
CRAVE'll get an attention and everybody'll realize what is that about.
Don't worry about the price now and concetrate on the technology of CRAVE.
Dev is bloody smart guy and his project gonna be BIG soon but not in a days (nothing good is going so fast in this world)
Just be patient and STOP STOP STOP reply the trolls.

Well said
Don't reply the trolls
Just click ignore

My ignore list grows every day by 10.

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It's all mathematics...!

Quote from: child_harold on April 13, 2015, 02:21:18 PM

Quote from: Hyperjacked on April 13, 2015, 08:32:02 AM

Quote from: child_harold on April 13, 2015, 08:15:44 AM

Quote from: Hyperjacked on April 13, 2015, 08:12:06 AM

I'm sorry you didn't get memo...because I know who is dumping! Is it not obvious that the DASH and SDC trolls are nervous because of the best dev in crypto ICM and a former Dark Dev Vertoe?
Would not surprise me if large DASH holders are selling DASH buying Crave and selling it at market to drive this coin into the ground!

OK u piqued my interest… who is ICM and why is he/she the best dev in crypto?
As mentioned above I have "philosophical" issues with two-tier networks so Im not asking as an investor, but rather a crypto enthusiast.

Welcome Sir!
Well I dont like ruining surprises...plus I'm all out of popcorn and my Twitter account won't be dusted of until after the burn period! Patience is a virtue...
Cheers!

Oh come now… don't be so coy… spill the beans. and why do u know if others don't?

Well ok since your a stand up guy and look like my dear departed billionare friend Rudy Driscoll Sr from WY on da New York stock exchange I will tell you...Not! Just Like I would never reveal Rudys secrets and rather take them to my grave...I'm under a moral obligation to shut my mouth and throw away the key!
When ICM wants to make a statement he will! Not my place sir....
Thats a sign of a true friend... Cool

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Shadow crap camp posting in our thread shows they got nothing better to do With there trash coiN

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Quote from: NEVER.SELL.CRAVE...EVER on April 13, 2015, 02:30:14 PM

It's only matter of time.
CRAVE'll get an attention and everybody'll realize what is that about.
Don't worry about the price now and concetrate on the technology of CRAVE.
Dev is bloody smart guy and his project gonna be BIG soon but not in a days (nothing good is going so fast in this world)
Just be patient and STOP STOP STOP reply the trolls.

Spot on! I will have to quote all of your post ??
man.... what a great start here for you on BitcoinTalk Grin

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Quote from: NEVER.SELL.CRAVE...EVER on April 13, 2015, 02:30:14 PM

It's only matter of time.
CRAVE'll get an attention and everybody'll realize what is that about.
Don't worry about the price now and concetrate on the technology of CRAVE.
Dev is bloody smart guy and his project gonna be BIG soon but not in a days (nothing good is going so fast in this world)
Just be patient and STOP STOP STOP reply the trolls.

Well said
Don't reply the trolls
Just click ignore

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Quote from: tx42 on April 13, 2015, 02:26:50 PM

Quote from: child_harold on April 13, 2015, 02:21:18 PM

Oh come now… don't be so coy… spill the beans. and why do u know if others don't?

Neat. Now child harold is coming to try to salvage the fud attempt by longandshort.

Out of juice = sdc fud team

What makes you think you can do it any better than your master?

Why do you have to single out the COIN, these individuals do not represent the SDC team or community at large, everyone is entitled to their own opinnion and can voice it all they want.

I hold multiple coins, SDC is a primary one yes, does this now make me an SDC FUDDER? Raising legitimate questions and tech discussion is not fudding. Its discussion plain and simple.

If everyone would stop attacking a persons opinions as being a representation of the coin its team or community then maybe there wouldn't be so many troll wars.

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