Topic: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts - page 328. (Read 821140 times)

There are way more people backing etc with way more money and experience than the eth morons even realize my friend, this is about the principle of the blockchain not price. Veterans of crypto take this very seriously. Eth is done, it's gonna take a minute but just watch the bitch slap they get for acting like they determine what's ok and what's not related to the blockchain.

still getting more supports after the big dumped i thought it will be the last of my investment but seeing it moving by now i'm still holding my coin to reach back 500k still have a big reason to hold and community still showing interest day by day. good luck dev hope that reaching .01 will still achievable for this project. keep it up

Bingo. We have a winner

This shouldn't even be a debate at this point, when they go pos we want the miners, at least for awhile. No downside and huge upside.

If etc is to have a remaining % of PoW (which is the current consensus), miners need to be represented or they will not run the new code and you will have a LiteClassic as well as a Classic Ethereum.  Remember, the only reason you have a classic is because they didn't get all the miners on side. 

If they return etc the eth white hat/devs/foundation get to keep the eth. They rolled it back promising to return funds from DAO. Then realized, because etc was born, they could return etc instead and keep the eth for themselves  (worth more atm) eth people are dumb, never even entered their blind ass thought process. If I were dumb enough to be in the dao I would demand payment in eth, but their too busy defending these scamming fucks lol!  This is all the same old crypto scam, eventually enough evidence presented to the eth supporters will get them to see what's really going on. Once eth loses all support they're fucked, and at this rate it's not too far off. So just make your point and walk away, I call it dropping the grenade and rolling out.its all right out there in the open, you just have to point it out pay attention and refuse the Buterin haircut at all costs.

Just open my computer and I read this

ETC/DAO stolen coins frozen by exchanges was sent by Ethereum Foundation Developers.


http://cointimes.tech/2016/08/12/etcdao-stolen-coins-frozen-by-exchanges-was-sent-by-ethereum-foundation-developers/

I don't think you are following this or at least not understanding things above.

@greenuser - you said:
"@usukan  are you happy about giving the hackers and eth dev team a large say in the vote then?"

@greenuser - you must realise that you are doing an ETH on me now

This is not how ETC works

So - you say they are stakeholders? Are you somehow suggesting that certain stakeholders be excluded or blocked by a voting system in ETC - get out of here.....

You are quite clearly confused about ETC values IMO

Then WOW! They are nothing but profit seeking scam artists. This is making me think what if Ethereum was one big scam of dreams and fantasies in the first place? I am now having my doubts about both ETH and ETC. If the members of the foundation are really scam artists then the platform is nothing but one big money maker for them and they do not care if it works as promised or not.

Sound familiar? Block tech maybe? XC and many more. Same rules apply people, premine coins nope, foundation's, boards, whatever you want to call it nope. Rollback the chain? Well..that's just funny at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw1RkQajccQ

Maybe, Christ they admitted it then tried to minimize their involvement. To think they aren't directly involved is very naive.  These aren't crypto folks, they're politicians. Think accordingly.

They were spending the premine like crazy without any transparency. Now, it's spent mostly and they liquidate the company responsible for these expenses. No business, no questions. It was all about their personal profits anyway. That's why they saved their own asses in such a bad way after the DAO hack.

Sure but they are stakeholders.

"@usukan  are you happy about giving the hackers and eth dev team a large say in the vote then?"

@greenuser - you must realise that you are doing an ETH on me now

This is not how ETC works

They plan on dumping all the dao ETC and then ask for donations. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/4xauca/follow_up_statement_on_the_etc_salvaged_from/

Crooks!

The hackers are member of the ethereum foundation dev team.  The issue has been dissected in detail here as far back as page 147

OK here is a clear story of the white hackers and how they were caught red handed and now some of the funds they held are frozen in an exchange. http://themerkle.com/white-hat-hackers-caught-red-handed-during-attempted-etc-sell-off/

They intended to sell all the ETC for ETH to use for development of the forked chain. It is allegedly a move orchestrated by the Ethereum foundation. Can someone who has an idea of the whole story tell us how the white hat hackers have a connection to the Ethereum foundation?

There is a post here but it is very confusing. Please make it clear for everyone to read well.

@usukan  are you happy about giving the hackers and eth dev team a large say in the vote then?


I fear for the eth crowd, they have a dev team that care more about money than the tech.  I emailed [email protected] from my personal email address and told him he had been implicated in theft. Still no answer.  Scum!

Hackers or not, crooks the lot of them.  They want to sue me,  bring it on!   It would be nice to get out more.

Why was the ethereum foundation liquidated?  Did we find out?

voting clearly needs to be weighted by holding - the main holders of ETC will not go with any crap that each one wallet (and thousands of 1 ETC wallets on GETH) holding miniscule ETC should have equal say in anything ETC related compared to someone holding 1,000's of ETC in ONE WALLET.  Its not representative of the community what you seem to be suggesting? The owners of ETC need to be represented by the investment and risk they are taking in this venture and the long term future of ETC.

I'm a miner but not sure what you do to take this interest into account?  Like me - most miners go where the money is. Few miners can afford to consider the long term and as such I don't feel that miners votes would be truly representative of long term interests and support for ETC. The miner votes would generally support continued mining - but it takes investors in the end to maintain price and if they vacate the scene because they are not represented - price falls and miners leave.

As for using GETH - its a 3 legged dog. MIST and Etherwallet are based on GETH and too cumbersome IMO. Parity --geth mode and MyEtherWallet.com are the better options by far (MEW especially) - so I will NEVER use GETH even for an important vote.

You need to understand that there are VERY major holders in ETC (pity no rich list - it would blow you away).

carbonvote - developed by the Chinese ETH community was actually a very fair voting system.  Its open source.  Suggest you have a look.
https://github.com/consenlabs/carbonvote

Thats all that I will accept unless someone comes up with a better method of weighting to account for "skin in the game".

For the record again - I favour POS for ETC before the diff bomb cuts in.

As @iCEBREAKER seems to - and he makes sense:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15836594)

So if there is any voting I will be holding out for it to be weighted for holding (and most ETC owners of any substance will demand this - you can expect that something like 5% of holders own 70% of ETC) and I will be voting for POS (this may be more contentious) but I believe its best for the long term for ETC.