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January 28, 2014, 11:05:40 AM
IPO just around the corner and still no word from the ether team ... chirp chirp.

with 4 founders and a dozen+ "developers, marketers, entrepreneurs, evangelists and partners"
you'd think they could spend sometime answering their potential investors and criticism...

  • silent on bitcointalk
  • blog is down
  • facebook inactive
  • 0 tweets on twitter

I guess they have more important things to do ...



I agree.
At this point you must really be a fool to buy into this scam!
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January 28, 2014, 11:03:31 AM
This thread reminds me of my family reunion.
Lots of drunk uncles here.
legendary
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January 28, 2014, 10:55:39 AM
IPO just around the corner and still no word from the ether team ... chirp chirp.

with 4 founders and a dozen+ "developers, marketers, entrepreneurs, evangelists and partners"
you'd think they could spend sometime answering their potential investors and criticism...

  • silent on bitcointalk
  • blog is down
  • facebook inactive
  • 0 tweets on twitter

I guess they have more important things to do ...

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CIYAM - UI/UX design
January 28, 2014, 10:40:32 AM
watching - will take a closer look on frebuary or march but no invest at this moment.
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January 28, 2014, 10:24:31 AM
Why does no one ask the question WHEN? When the f*** does this coin start? Big announcements, a huge countdown. But not a single line of code. My guess? 2015. Maybe 2016. And do you know how the crypto coin world looks in a year or two?

I know several people how are already working on what you are just planning. They are half a year ahead. None of your ideas is really new. Dozens of crypto currencies will be released until Ethereum is finished. And Ethereum will have nothing new. Buy a time machine, travel two years into the past and start... At the moment, it's just a waste of time.
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January 28, 2014, 09:58:01 AM
I don't know how you can NOT understand "up to 30,000 bitcoin" and "50% pre-mine" its staring right at everyone's face.  We can all do the math and surmise the repercussions from this deal.  You can't sweep it under the rug or divert our attention from it with tech talk.  100 questions wont answer that one.  If you can't figure out what everyone's main concern/disgust is and you have to gather a list of questions to ferret it out....I don't know how to respond to that.

50% of what? The amount of Ether issued after the IPO? The first year including mining? Year 5? You're flat our wrong in all cases. Stop making up numbers when you clearly don't know what you're talking about and try to reference some facts.

+1 for some sanity

Sanity...you are obviously a shill, you are on every thread all day long attacking people who have questions.  These are the only type of responses you give to everyone.  Just insults, Every one of your posts.

hahahaha. lol. no

and your not asking questions, your are making statements with exaggerated claims you tool.

eh...whatever, you are starting to bore me, you are like a broken record.  No new information or reason why Ethereum is such a good buy for investors.  Just attacking and insulting strangers.  I hope they are paying you well for your services.

yes they are paying me with klondike coins.

Well then you are in luck because Klondike is going to make you a lot of money.  You want to know why?  They have 6 full time certified devs working round the clock on the coin.  You want to know how much of it was pre-mined and pre-sold?  ZERO and ZERO.  So how do they make money?  Can you believe the devs are actually buying the coins in the market on their own?  They are putting in the sweat equity and putting their money where there mouth is.  They are not asking for handouts or any get rich quick plan.  They are investing their own money into their coins.  Thats why the coin will not fail.  What a concept can you believe that?
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January 28, 2014, 09:45:27 AM
I don't know how you can NOT understand "up to 30,000 bitcoin" and "50% pre-mine" its staring right at everyone's face.  We can all do the math and surmise the repercussions from this deal.  You can't sweep it under the rug or divert our attention from it with tech talk.  100 questions wont answer that one.  If you can't figure out what everyone's main concern/disgust is and you have to gather a list of questions to ferret it out....I don't know how to respond to that.

50% of what? The amount of Ether issued after the IPO? The first year including mining? Year 5? You're flat our wrong in all cases. Stop making up numbers when you clearly don't know what you're talking about and try to reference some facts.

+1 for some sanity

Sanity...you are obviously a shill, you are on every thread all day long attacking people who have questions.  These are the only type of responses you give to everyone.  Just insults, Every one of your posts.

hahahaha. lol. no

and your not asking questions, your are making statements with exaggerated claims you tool.

eh...whatever, you are starting to bore me, you are like a broken record.  No new information or reason why Ethereum is such a good buy for investors.  Just attacking and insulting strangers.  I hope they are paying you well for your services.

yes they are paying me with klondike coins.
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January 28, 2014, 09:40:18 AM
I don't know how you can NOT understand "up to 30,000 bitcoin" and "50% pre-mine" its staring right at everyone's face.  We can all do the math and surmise the repercussions from this deal.  You can't sweep it under the rug or divert our attention from it with tech talk.  100 questions wont answer that one.  If you can't figure out what everyone's main concern/disgust is and you have to gather a list of questions to ferret it out....I don't know how to respond to that.

50% of what? The amount of Ether issued after the IPO? The first year including mining? Year 5? You're flat our wrong in all cases. Stop making up numbers when you clearly don't know what you're talking about and try to reference some facts.

+1 for some sanity

Sanity...you are obviously a shill, you are on every thread all day long attacking people who have questions.  These are the only type of responses you give to everyone.  Just insults, Every one of your posts.

hahahaha. lol. no

and your not asking questions, your are making statements with exaggerated claims you tool.

eh...whatever, you are starting to bore me, you are like a broken record.  No new information or reason why Ethereum is such a good buy for investors.  Just attacking and insulting strangers.  I hope they are paying you well for your services.
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January 28, 2014, 09:31:42 AM
@gutshot

dont engage with dweebs. that shill before at least tried to formulate an attack.
newbie sock-puppet who is just +1-ing him is not worthy of any response.

FOCUS! (that pizza stuff for example was totally unnecessary)
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January 28, 2014, 09:26:51 AM
I don't know how you can NOT understand "up to 30,000 bitcoin" and "50% pre-mine" its staring right at everyone's face.  We can all do the math and surmise the repercussions from this deal.  You can't sweep it under the rug or divert our attention from it with tech talk.  100 questions wont answer that one.  If you can't figure out what everyone's main concern/disgust is and you have to gather a list of questions to ferret it out....I don't know how to respond to that.

50% of what? The amount of Ether issued after the IPO? The first year including mining? Year 5? You're flat our wrong in all cases. Stop making up numbers when you clearly don't know what you're talking about and try to reference some facts.

+1 for some sanity

Sanity...you are obviously a shill, you are on every thread all day long attacking people who have questions.  These are the only type of responses you give to everyone.  Just insults, Every one of your posts.

hahahaha. lol. no

and your not asking questions, your are making statements with exaggerated claims you tool.
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January 28, 2014, 09:19:54 AM
I don't know how you can NOT understand "up to 30,000 bitcoin" and "50% pre-mine" its staring right at everyone's face.  We can all do the math and surmise the repercussions from this deal.  You can't sweep it under the rug or divert our attention from it with tech talk.  100 questions wont answer that one.  If you can't figure out what everyone's main concern/disgust is and you have to gather a list of questions to ferret it out....I don't know how to respond to that.

50% of what? The amount of Ether issued after the IPO? The first year including mining? Year 5? You're flat our wrong in all cases. Stop making up numbers when you clearly don't know what you're talking about and try to reference some facts.

+1 for some sanity

Sanity...you are obviously a shill, you are on every thread all day long attacking people who have questions.  These are the only type of responses you give to everyone.  Just insults, Every one of your posts.
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January 28, 2014, 09:18:13 AM
I don't know how you can NOT understand "up to 30,000 bitcoin" and "50% pre-mine" its staring right at everyone's face.  We can all do the math and surmise the repercussions from this deal.  You can't sweep it under the rug or divert our attention from it with tech talk.  100 questions wont answer that one.  If you can't figure out what everyone's main concern/disgust is and you have to gather a list of questions to ferret it out....I don't know how to respond to that.

50% of what? The amount of Ether issued after the IPO? The first year including mining? Year 5? You're flat our wrong in all cases. Stop making up numbers when you clearly don't know what you're talking about and try to reference some facts.

Why dont you try to explain it yourself?  50% of what smartass.  This whole thread is all about attacking anyone who has legitimate questions, trying to intimidate others.  Instead of acting like a natural born idiot why dont you explain yourself and present a good reason why its a good investment. All you same 4-5 shills do all day long on this thread is attack people who have questions with insults.  Why dont you explain and convince everybody about the percentages and why they deserve the money they are asking for and the amount of pre-mine they are planning.
legendary
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January 28, 2014, 09:17:50 AM
A lot of questions r still unanswered. Looks like the devs need 6-12 months more.
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January 28, 2014, 09:04:53 AM
I don't know how you can NOT understand "up to 30,000 bitcoin" and "50% pre-mine" its staring right at everyone's face.  We can all do the math and surmise the repercussions from this deal.  You can't sweep it under the rug or divert our attention from it with tech talk.  100 questions wont answer that one.  If you can't figure out what everyone's main concern/disgust is and you have to gather a list of questions to ferret it out....I don't know how to respond to that.

50% of what? The amount of Ether issued after the IPO? The first year including mining? Year 5? You're flat our wrong in all cases. Stop making up numbers when you clearly don't know what you're talking about and try to reference some facts.

+1 for some sanity
legendary
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January 28, 2014, 09:00:45 AM
I don't know how you can NOT understand "up to 30,000 bitcoin" and "50% pre-mine" its staring right at everyone's face.  We can all do the math and surmise the repercussions from this deal.  You can't sweep it under the rug or divert our attention from it with tech talk.  100 questions wont answer that one.  If you can't figure out what everyone's main concern/disgust is and you have to gather a list of questions to ferret it out....I don't know how to respond to that.

50% of what? The amount of Ether issued after the IPO? The first year including mining? Year 5? You're flat our wrong in all cases. Stop making up numbers when you clearly don't know what you're talking about and try to reference some facts.
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January 28, 2014, 08:47:42 AM
It all about the initial valuation. a $24M valuation after the money at this stage is way way high.

if 500BTC is a good start for a concept than should try to raise even 3000 BTC during the founding round and reduce the initial rate to 1BTC=10000 ETH instead of 1000 and with no bonus and have a great start with a 2.4M pre-seed fund. The $24M approach makes no sense.   
legendary
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January 28, 2014, 08:17:16 AM
its insane. if u invest you admit that right now you think this idea costs $24m + 50% of what it will worth in the future.

venture capitalists in the states do rounds of investments and no company ever before took that much money to build something from an abstract idea.

this is not funding to fund developers needs (im also a developer). 1k BTC should be enough to fund all of these needs without the premine and pr costs for a year.
even the best google programmers don't get more than 200k/year, and i doubt this is the absolute dream team of programmers in the world.

get serious.
While I understand your points and share some criticism and concerns (I myself decided to probably invest less than initially planned on the IPO), I don't get why everyone seems to be so fixed on the 30k BTC.  Vitalik mentioned that they would be happy and able to finish development with 500 BTC (less than your 1k estimate), and the 30k is just an upper bound on the fundraiser.  Thus, they limit the maximal amount taken in!  (Which is exactly what many here seem to miss.)  Although, I have to admit that if they get so much funding, then they are really obliged to deliver a very good product in the end.

Also, what I don't quite get is why here's so much criticism, while I don't recall the same for Mastercoin (they got 5k BTC, remember?).  They as well as Invictus also still have to live up to their promises of a distributed exchange / DACs, as far as I know, and no one complains about the money they made.  So what's the thing here?  After all, it is each one's own decision to invest or not invest, and I have to admit that I find the idea behind Ethereum much more promising than those others.
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January 28, 2014, 07:59:36 AM
I don't know how you can NOT understand "up to 30,000 bitcoin" and "50% pre-mine" its staring right at everyone's face.  We can all do the math and surmise the repercussions from this deal.  You can't sweep it under the rug or divert our attention from it with tech talk.  100 questions wont answer that one.  If you can't figure out what everyone's main concern/disgust is and you have to gather a list of questions to ferret it out....I don't know how to respond to that.

We should ask and let them answer. We should give them a chance to corrects these mistakes by changing(even cancelling) the IPO terms and the 50% premine (to 1%). Also we demand PoW before investing.
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January 28, 2014, 07:47:45 AM
all i have to say is that this is wrong in any financial theory possible, that is investing tons of money to something that is still an idea with people that say they will commit and without any contract.

to be honest i wouldn't even try to code a single line, if one white paper brings me $2-3m.

its insane. if u invest you admit that right now you think this idea costs $24m + 50% of what it will worth in the future.

venture capitalists in the states do rounds of investments and no company ever before took that much money to build something from an abstract idea.

this is not funding to fund developers needs (im also a developer). 1k BTC should be enough to fund all of these needs without the premine and pr costs for a year.
even the best google programmers don't get more than 200k/year, and i doubt this is the absolute dream team of programmers in the world.

get serious.
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January 28, 2014, 07:07:37 AM
The change in presale price is disgusting, reminds me of when dominos started cutting 13" texas bbq into 6 instead of 8 probably some ex gs wanker in head of operations thought that one up. also @gunshot shut up mate you're boring

I hate to agree with you on both points, the change in price is disgusting and my constant repeating of the obvious is naturally boring. But I shrug off your comment because anyone who eats dominos pizza in any size  loses my respect.  Smiley
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