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legendary
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January 29, 2014, 08:39:36 AM

Blockchain powered by Turing-complete language leads to a lot of unresolvable issues. It's not a scam, more like a failure where a lot of money is involved. I hope Vitalik is smarter than Matthew N. Wright and knows when it's time to stop...

Whenever doing something for the first time, there are those who decry it to be impossible. I think that it's wise to bring up concerns but the major value in Ethereum is attempting to do something that has not been done before. If it fails because it's too ambitious, I hope that investors will have taken this into account in evaluating the risk/reward factor.
legendary
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Newbie
January 29, 2014, 08:22:27 AM
I'm now getting more and more surprised by each passing day that NO ONE from the list has bothered to answer.

This really is looking more and more like a COMPLETE SCAM!

If anyone still thinks of investing on day 1, please read this thread from the beginning to the end. Please don't rush your decision.

Why should they wast they time to answer to people who are incapable to read the official docs? >90% here is just FUD/totally unqualified posts.
People who really are interested should take at least 1 hour and read about it and try to understand it. Maybe not everything is so easy for the first moment and the IPO has some complexity, but to write SCAM without having any idea about it, disqualifies just yourself.

First I didn't just write SCAM and you really don't know how much I read about the whole project, so please don't presume I don't have any idea about it.

I said it is looking more and more like a COMPLETE SCAM!

Can you please help me understand why there is no reply from ANYONE from their "team"? Everyone of them will get plenty of money very soon... Why is the whole investing thing so punitive to investors in this project? Why such greed?

When I started reading about it a week ago, I immediately set aside 1 btc for investing into it. Now I will wait very probably to buy on the market after the "IPO".
I'm not trolling nor I'm a part of some group that tries to influence the "IPO". I'm regular guy who tries to make an investment that will be one day profitable.

Dear k99, would you not agree that such project with so many people involved that has such high aspirations would/should participate SOMEWHERE to answer all those questions _ingsoc is so diligently organizing?

People are very willing to invest. Look at NEM https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-nem-4-billions-coins-part-1-this-thread-is-no-longer-used-422129 what is happening. People see engagement and commitment and they see when someone is not just greedy but in fact wants to and tries to make thing as fair as possible. All those very "established" guys from Ethereum project should learn a lot from guys like utopianfuture.
Unfortunately this lack of communication ONLY 2 DAYS prior to the "IPO" is very very suspicious.

Please read my previous posts and you'll see that I changed my mind gradually and I really like the idea that they've announced but I also learned that that too is copied from somewhere ripple related. :-(

Please also look at my "Business plan" and tell me why it is different than what they've done so far? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4794599
Why don't you trust me as you do them? I certainly am more experienced and proven in that field then they are in theirs. I already have working business etc.
But of course no one in the right mind would invest under such terms in my idea because they would be taking ALL THE RISK and would be punished when I take new partners and dilute their shares. All that under the assumption that I will go to work after I receive such fantastic money that I will share with my friends (whom we don't know anything and their role in the project: how much they will do and get).

I would be very happy to be misguided/misinformed here but this REALLY looks more and more like a COMPLETE SCAM to me by each passing day. At least from my point of view which I believe am free to express here.

Again, I encouraged only patience and reading to people who still think of investing on day 1. Is that bad?

Blockchain powered by Turing-complete language leads to a lot of unresolvable issues. It's not a scam, more like a failure where a lot of money is involved. I hope Vitalik is smarter than Matthew N. Wright and knows when it's time to stop...
full member
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January 29, 2014, 08:16:11 AM

I'm now officially interested in this coin too. I'm interested in finding out how many joe blows will give these guys 36 million cash and 50% pre-mine for just another tech coin.  



Three, at least.


 I have about 5000 btc that I plan to invest and a few of my friends are investing about the same amount. 


That guy was being sarcastic. Just check his other posts.

+1

As well as I am in my business plan here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4794599
Just wanted to make that clear. MY PLAN is NOT FOR INVESTING INTO.
full member
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January 29, 2014, 08:14:18 AM
I'm now getting more and more surprised by each passing day that NO ONE from the list has bothered to answer.

This really is looking more and more like a COMPLETE SCAM!

If anyone still thinks of investing on day 1, please read this thread from the beginning to the end. Please don't rush your decision.

Why should they wast they time to answer to people who are incapable to read the official docs? >90% here is just FUD/totally unqualified posts.
People who really are interested should take at least 1 hour and read about it and try to understand it. Maybe not everything is so easy for the first moment and the IPO has some complexity, but to write SCAM without having any idea about it, disqualifies just yourself.

First I didn't just write SCAM and you really don't know how much I read about the whole project, so please don't presume I don't have any idea about it.

I said it is looking more and more like a COMPLETE SCAM!

Can you please help me understand why there is no reply from ANYONE from their "team"? Everyone of them will get plenty of money very soon... Why is the whole investing thing so punitive to investors in this project? Why such greed?

When I started reading about it a week ago, I immediately set aside 1 btc for investing into it. Now I will wait very probably to buy on the market after the "IPO".
I'm not trolling nor I'm a part of some group that tries to influence the "IPO". I'm regular guy who tries to make an investment that will be one day profitable.

Dear k99, would you not agree that such project with so many people involved that has such high aspirations would/should participate SOMEWHERE to answer all those questions _ingsoc is so diligently organizing?

People are very willing to invest. Look at NEM https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-nem-4-billions-coins-part-1-this-thread-is-no-longer-used-422129 what is happening. People see engagement and commitment and they see when someone is not just greedy but in fact wants to and tries to make thing as fair as possible. All those very "established" guys from Ethereum project should learn a lot from guys like utopianfuture.
Unfortunately this lack of communication ONLY 2 DAYS prior to the "IPO" is very very suspicious.

Please read my previous posts and you'll see that I changed my mind gradually and I really like the idea that they've announced but I also learned that that too is copied from somewhere ripple related. :-(

Please also look at my "Business plan" and tell me why it is different than what they've done so far? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4794599
Why don't you trust me as you do them? I certainly am more experienced and proven in that field then they are in theirs. I already have working business etc.
But of course no one in the right mind would invest under such terms in my idea because they would be taking ALL THE RISK and would be punished when I take new partners and dilute their shares. All that under the assumption that I will go to work after I receive such fantastic money that I will share with my friends (whom we don't know anything and their role in the project: how much they will do and get).

I would be very happy to be misguided/misinformed here but this REALLY looks more and more like a COMPLETE SCAM to me by each passing day. At least from my point of view which I believe am free to express here.

Again, I encouraged only patience and reading to people who still think of investing on day 1. Is that bad?


sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
January 29, 2014, 08:01:07 AM

I'm now officially interested in this coin too. I'm interested in finding out how many joe blows will give these guys 36 million cash and 50% pre-mine for just another tech coin.  



Three, at least.


 I have about 5000 btc that I plan to invest and a few of my friends are investing about the same amount. 







That guy was being sarcastic. Just check his other posts.
legendary
Activity: 1638
Merit: 1001
January 29, 2014, 07:55:28 AM

I'm now officially interested in this coin too. I'm interested in finding out how many joe blows will give these guys 36 million cash and 50% pre-mine for just another tech coin.  



Three, at least.


 I have about 5000 btc that I plan to invest and a few of my friends are investing about the same amount. 





full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
January 29, 2014, 07:03:55 AM
The question is not about the right to participate. The question is why is Charles proud of that fact? It looks like a major inconsistency to me. It is like working on a new mail server app and in the same time promoting your project by saying that some members of your team worked in the local post office and were among the best postmen?!

BTW, why has Charles parted with BitShares and Invictus project? What happened to the 0.5 million VC there? Are his investors happy with current state of BitShares and Invictus?

Who says he's "proud"? To me it just sounded like he said it in passing.
In a promo campaign you never say something that you don't take special pride of!

At the risk of running in circles I think he merely stated it - not to show off or be proud of the fact - but as a way to showcase the credentials of the people involved in the project. If I were announcing a project of my own and had a number of people involved then I would like everyone to know that my team is solid. Unfortunately for Ethereum, people read more than that into such a statement.
full member
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January 29, 2014, 06:58:45 AM
Can't you do all this with NXT to?

Some of it you should be able to do when more features have completed and matured in the NXT development cycle like decentralized exchange. But there are many other differences, like turing complete scripts and a decentralized (and incentivized) platform to achieve any contract not just a financial instrument. So down the line other developers (unrelated to the Ethereum project team) can build applications that take advantage of this. From a mining perspective it is some sort of hybrid between PoW and PoS while NXT is completely premine.
legendary
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January 29, 2014, 06:47:11 AM
In a promo campaign you never say something that you don't take special pride of!

My whole life is a promo campaign and I say plenty of things I want to burn and hide forever!
Then find another job! You're not good at what you do.
sr. member
Activity: 452
Merit: 251
January 29, 2014, 06:41:32 AM
In a promo campaign you never say something that you don't take special pride of!

My whole life is a promo campaign and I say plenty of things I want to burn and hide forever!
legendary
Activity: 3431
Merit: 1233
January 29, 2014, 06:37:03 AM
The question is not about the right to participate. The question is why is Charles proud of that fact? It looks like a major inconsistency to me. It is like working on a new mail server app and in the same time promoting your project by saying that some members of your team worked in the local post office and were among the best postmen?!

BTW, why has Charles parted with BitShares and Invictus project? What happened to the 0.5 million VC there? Are his investors happy with current state of BitShares and Invictus?

Who says he's "proud"? To me it just sounded like he said it in passing.
In a promo campaign you never say something that you don't take special pride of!
k99
sr. member
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Manfred Karrer
January 29, 2014, 06:10:09 AM
>800 posts in 6 days. Shows interest in the project at least. The real motivation behind the posts will stay hidden, but if anyone thinks its just total bullshit, he would not use his time to post here.
sr. member
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January 29, 2014, 06:07:41 AM
It's unfortunately really messed this thread. People have come here and believed in 36 million dollars BS, GS conspiracy theories. Conversation has not moved beyond issuance which is a real pity because there is so much more to this project and so many important questions that could/should have been raised.

On the plus side, if it did in fact scare people away and Ethereum is the real deal, those people will probably come back at a later stage. After such a successful campaign of insanity, the ones left standing are ironborn. Cheesy
sr. member
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electroneum.com
January 29, 2014, 06:06:10 AM
Act II begins
sr. member
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January 29, 2014, 06:04:43 AM
For those interested, I'll probably create an advocacy group soon for those who are going to contribute to this project. We need to get organised and unified so that our voice can be heard. There are many months of waiting and we need to get together on some platform to talk about things in a reasoned way. There's strength in a union minus the communism!
full member
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January 29, 2014, 06:02:03 AM
If you see his latest post he claims he's so excited about buying in on this he was trolling to try and reduce the volume of the buy in, in the hope of making his stake bigger. Why he spent so much time passionately trolling the thread to admit that before the buy in is beyond me!  Huh

As the time nears, he changes his strategy. He has created allies, and people that sympathise with his cause. You were led by a trickster king. He'll buy in plenty, don't you worry. Trolls feed on confusion.

It's unfortunately really messed this thread. People have come here and believed in 36 million dollars BS, GS conspiracy theories. Conversation has not moved beyond issuance which is a real pity because there is so much more to this project and so many important questions that could/should have been raised.
sr. member
Activity: 452
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January 29, 2014, 05:58:03 AM
If you see his latest post he claims he's so excited about buying in on this he was trolling to try and reduce the volume of the buy in, in the hope of making his stake bigger. Why he spent so much time passionately trolling the thread to admit that before the buy in is beyond me!  Huh

As the time nears, he changes his strategy. He has created allies, and people that sympathise with his cause. You were led by a trickster king. He'll buy in plenty, don't you worry. Trolls feed on confusion.
full member
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Merit: 100
January 29, 2014, 05:57:27 AM
Does anybody understand, what was the point of Gunshot's 100 posts?

To scare the shit out of everyone and abuse anyone asks why.
k99
sr. member
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Manfred Karrer
January 29, 2014, 05:57:20 AM
Why should they wast they time to answer to people who are incapable to read the official docs? >90% here is just FUD/totally unqualified posts.
People who really are interested should take at least 1 hour and read about it and try to understand it. Maybe not everything is so easy for the first moment and the IPO has some complexity, but to write SCAM without having any idea about it, disqualifies just yourself.

They will not listen to reason. Soon they will be in here again. The likes of gutshot5820 sleep now, but soon they wake... Reinforce the barricades! While we still have time!

He is already a VIP member in my ignore list ;-)
hero member
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January 29, 2014, 05:57:13 AM
Does anybody understand, what was the point of Gunshot's 100 posts?

If he had made 10 posts, sure, he's probably a little weird and OCD about shouting really loud when around people. But 100s of posts? He's likely a mastermind of disinformation. He knows how to scare people and profit from it. Cometh the hour, cometh the man, we must brace ourselves for this is not an enemy we know.

I'm not sure if Mastermind's the right word, I think fuckwit's more apt
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