[ANN] Expanse (EXP) - 1st Stable fork of Ethereum (New Algo + PirlGuard) - page 282.

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Quote from: Portabello75 on October 07, 2015, 01:38:01 PM

Quote from: makishart on October 07, 2015, 12:04:17 PM

Quote from: nhutphan on October 06, 2015, 08:58:30 PM

Stop complaining people!!!

Nobody pushes you to mine or buy this coin. If you don't trust this coin, why don't you guys just leave it alone right at beginning. BUT, you are mining, buying and holding it right now. What's wrong with you, wise people? When the price goes up, everybody is happy. When it goes down, you turn your back with what you believed just the moment ago.

Not complaining here. Just commenting..
I am not here to support this coin. I am here only to gain some profit and leave.

"When the price goes up, everybody is happy." When was that again? 99% ago? Mining right now is a HUGE loss unless you have free power and hardware. No sane person can motivate mining and price drops every day. Soon we will have 25% more coins on the market for a LONG time from a dev fun that is 10x larger than it should be (more like 20x but I'm being generous).

Sooner or later, Dev will smarten up and realize the 11 MILLION premine is killing the coin, but by then it will likely be too late and people will be screaming SCAM when price skyrockets when they are burned so.. Yeah, I don't predict this one surviving any longer than Franko (yeah, Franko is technically alive.. but who's interested? Value like a ham sandwich)

The premine is the only good thing about this coin. You don't understand because you are a Newbie account. The problem was people went crazy and valued this coin at something like 6 million dollars. The $EXP team didn't sign contracts with developers at those high prices though. Now they are screwed and any developer with skills will probably just create a new Ethereum clone instead of being part of this DAO.

Once PoS is out, then this coin will be amazing.

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Quote from: makishart on October 07, 2015, 12:04:17 PM

Quote from: nhutphan on October 06, 2015, 08:58:30 PM

Stop complaining people!!!

Nobody pushes you to mine or buy this coin. If you don't trust this coin, why don't you guys just leave it alone right at beginning. BUT, you are mining, buying and holding it right now. What's wrong with you, wise people? When the price goes up, everybody is happy. When it goes down, you turn your back with what you believed just the moment ago.

Not complaining here. Just commenting..
I am not here to support this coin. I am here only to gain some profit and leave.

How are you mining at a profit at current price? (Not saying you aren't but it seems impossible)

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Quote from: makishart on October 07, 2015, 12:04:17 PM

Quote from: nhutphan on October 06, 2015, 08:58:30 PM

Stop complaining people!!!

Nobody pushes you to mine or buy this coin. If you don't trust this coin, why don't you guys just leave it alone right at beginning. BUT, you are mining, buying and holding it right now. What's wrong with you, wise people? When the price goes up, everybody is happy. When it goes down, you turn your back with what you believed just the moment ago.

Not complaining here. Just commenting..
I am not here to support this coin. I am here only to gain some profit and leave.

"When the price goes up, everybody is happy." When was that again? 99% ago? Mining right now is a HUGE loss unless you have free power and hardware. No sane person can motivate mining and price drops every day. Soon we will have 25% more coins on the market for a LONG time from a dev fun that is 10x larger than it should be (more like 20x but I'm being generous).

Sooner or later, Dev will smarten up and realize the 11 MILLION premine is killing the coin, but by then it will likely be too late and people will be screaming SCAM when price skyrockets when they are burned so.. Yeah, I don't predict this one surviving any longer than Franko (yeah, Franko is technically alive.. but who's interested? Value like a ham sandwich)

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I'm interested in the new diff changing algo. Any news? How can it be improved? Wink

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Quote from: nhutphan on October 06, 2015, 08:58:30 PM

Stop complaining people!!!

Nobody pushes you to mine or buy this coin. If you don't trust this coin, why don't you guys just leave it alone right at beginning. BUT, you are mining, buying and holding it right now. What's wrong with you, wise people? When the price goes up, everybody is happy. When it goes down, you turn your back with what you believed just the moment ago.

Not complaining here. Just commenting..
I am not here to support this coin. I am here only to gain some profit and leave.

Portabello75

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Quote from: defaced on October 07, 2015, 08:56:28 AM

Quote from: ktfutura on October 07, 2015, 01:18:32 AM

Quote from: To The Moon on October 06, 2015, 11:26:52 PM

lol correlation isnt causation. Expanse is an experiment into self funded DAOs. Smart contracts give us the ability to create new ways to earn from the network. Proof of work is one way, proof of stake is another, and proof of democracy is another one. You might not like the experiment but you are participating in it by voicing your opinion. If you feel so strongly against it, the only way to not participate is to simply not participate. Have a nice day, I hope you find your dream coin. If its a zero premine, low supply variation check out www.frankos.org its been around for 3 years, has a supply of about 500k and no premine. Enjoy!

chris franko now shilling his franko coin under an alias newbie account "To The Moon".

nice web site too http://www.ttm.news

selling the premine to noobs is hard work

ugh lol what? I made two post with that account. The one from above talking about DAO's and the one announcing the website I launched with my friend Jeremy, under my own name. None of those post were shilling anything. The DAO post gave a solution to someones problem. Let me guess, you think I was trying to hide my identity by using an account that I made thats tied to my identity lol. Good work Sherlock! smh.

Let me guess. You will go ahead and give yourself some of the 'development fund' for the news site and other projects. What a surprise.

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Quote from: BitcoinForumator on September 16, 2015, 07:53:43 AM

Am I doing this right? Because this "dindu nuffin".

I lowered the Core Clock from 1000 to 800 and Memory Clock from 1375 to 1000, just to get a sure result but the temp is pretty much the same. I also restarted the computer. Also, for some reason I can't change the core voltage, even though I made sure this option was ticked in the Settings.

You need to lower the voltage from 1200mV to 1000mV or lower. You will get lower temperature.

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Quote from: SecretsOfCrypto on September 16, 2015, 05:29:08 PM

Quote from: kelsey on September 07, 2015, 09:09:38 PM

great innovation; discovered a new name for premine Shocked

this is so true

The premine is 11 million, or 1000 days worth of mining. That is a lot.

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Franko is Freedom

Quote from: ktfutura on October 07, 2015, 01:18:32 AM

Quote from: To The Moon on October 06, 2015, 11:26:52 PM

lol correlation isnt causation. Expanse is an experiment into self funded DAOs. Smart contracts give us the ability to create new ways to earn from the network. Proof of work is one way, proof of stake is another, and proof of democracy is another one. You might not like the experiment but you are participating in it by voicing your opinion. If you feel so strongly against it, the only way to not participate is to simply not participate. Have a nice day, I hope you find your dream coin. If its a zero premine, low supply variation check out www.frankos.org its been around for 3 years, has a supply of about 500k and no premine. Enjoy!

chris franko now shilling his franko coin under an alias newbie account "To The Moon".

nice web site too http://www.ttm.news

selling the premine to noobs is hard work

ugh lol what? I made two post with that account. The one from above talking about DAO's and the one announcing the website I launched with my friend Jeremy, under my own name. None of those post were shilling anything. The DAO post gave a solution to someones problem. Let me guess, you think I was trying to hide my identity by using an account that I made thats tied to my identity lol. Good work Sherlock! smh.

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Quote from: fartbags on October 07, 2015, 12:58:24 AM

It's nice to see the price dropping. If it drops in half again, the price might be a pretty good value to buy.

That's wise. Each coin needs a bottom first and then it can start its real trend.

wildduck

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I don`t know about you but this coin is profitable to mine for me

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Quote from: To The Moon on October 06, 2015, 11:26:52 PM

lol correlation isnt causation. Expanse is an experiment into self funded DAOs. Smart contracts give us the ability to create new ways to earn from the network. Proof of work is one way, proof of stake is another, and proof of democracy is another one. You might not like the experiment but you are participating in it by voicing your opinion. If you feel so strongly against it, the only way to not participate is to simply not participate. Have a nice day, I hope you find your dream coin. If its a zero premine, low supply variation check out www.frankos.org its been around for 3 years, has a supply of about 500k and no premine. Enjoy!

chris franko now shilling his franko coin under an alias newbie account "To The Moon".

nice web site too http://www.ttm.news

selling the premine to noobs is hard work

fartbags

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It's nice to see the price dropping. If it drops in half again, the price might be a pretty good value to buy.

To The Moon

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Quote from: Portabello75 on October 06, 2015, 04:30:42 PM

Quote from: defaced on October 06, 2015, 04:29:03 PM

Quote from: Portabello75 on October 06, 2015, 04:21:34 PM

The 11 million still haunts this coin. The fact that miners earn pennies a day while there are 11 million coins in a 'development fund' is pure stupidity and this coin will NEVER become anything useful as long as this fund is in place. 100% FACT.

If the Development team were serious they would take a vote on what to do with the fund with some reasonable alternatives such as.

1. Burn 90% to give mining real value, recoup current holders for their 90% loss from introduction (It's more for most but hey) and establish a new development fund with 1 million coin.
2. Burn 100% and hard fork with subsidized mining (10%) for development purposes.

The developers can't justify this fund, and the 'it's a development fund' doesn't hold since it's obvious that the community (coin holders and miners) DO NOT WANT THE FUND! Sure, development is great, but 11 million coins is doing literally nothing but kill any chance this coin ever had for two very obvious reasons: 1. Mining is pointless (negative value proposition) 2. Who wants to develop anything on a worthless coin?

Its obvious to who? Someone with 7 post on bitcointalk?

Anyone with half a brain works as well. Have you EVER even heard of a coin succeeding that had 95% premine locked away? No.

lol correlation isnt causation. Expanse is an experiment into self funded DAOs. Smart contracts give us the ability to create new ways to earn from the network. Proof of work is one way, proof of stake is another, and proof of democracy is another one. You might not like the experiment but you are participating in it by voicing your opinion. If you feel so strongly against it, the only way to not participate is to simply not participate. Have a nice day, I hope you find your dream coin. If its a zero premine, low supply variation check out www.frankos.org its been around for 3 years, has a supply of about 500k and no premine. Enjoy!

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Stop complaining people!!!

Nobody pushes you to mine or buy this coin. If you don't trust this coin, why don't you guys just leave it alone right at beginning. BUT, you are mining, buying and holding it right now. What's wrong with you, wise people? When the price goes up, everybody is happy. When it goes down, you turn your back with what you believed just the moment ago.

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Quote from: makishart on October 06, 2015, 04:32:18 PM

It doesn't matter.. price will adjust. For 100 satoshi the premine is cool.

Also premine has nothing to do with decetralization.

It is supposed that you don't need trust when it comes to cryptocurency and blockchain.

When you add trust you add scam. Sooner or later.. Same think with goverments, banks and religion. Good luck to believers

That's sort of my point exactly. The 11 million coins are just a giant value destroyer and we can't trust that they go to any project of value. It would be ok if the dev fund was reasonable but with a few hundred thousand coins in existence and 90%+ premined in a 'fund' it's just not even worth paying attention to this project anymore.

I mean common, EXP is down 99% since it started trading with 395,193 mined and 11 million in a 'dapp fund' that can and likely will dilute the market 25% on a weekly basis. The market has spoken, and it absolutely amazing that the devs don't listen.

I find it sad, cause I do believe the devs are competent. Just apparently don't care about preserving any value in the project, or having anyone mine (mining Hash power is down something like 80% in 3 weeks)

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It doesn't matter.. price will adjust. For 100 satoshi the premine is cool.

Also premine has nothing to do with decetralization.

It is supposed that you don't need trust when it comes to cryptocurency and blockchain.

When you add trust you add scam. Sooner or later.. Same think with goverments, banks and religion. Good luck to believers

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Quote from: defaced on October 06, 2015, 04:29:03 PM

Quote from: Portabello75 on October 06, 2015, 04:21:34 PM

The 11 million still haunts this coin. The fact that miners earn pennies a day while there are 11 million coins in a 'development fund' is pure stupidity and this coin will NEVER become anything useful as long as this fund is in place. 100% FACT.

If the Development team were serious they would take a vote on what to do with the fund with some reasonable alternatives such as.

1. Burn 90% to give mining real value, recoup current holders for their 90% loss from introduction (It's more for most but hey) and establish a new development fund with 1 million coin.
2. Burn 100% and hard fork with subsidized mining (10%) for development purposes.

The developers can't justify this fund, and the 'it's a development fund' doesn't hold since it's obvious that the community (coin holders and miners) DO NOT WANT THE FUND! Sure, development is great, but 11 million coins is doing literally nothing but kill any chance this coin ever had for two very obvious reasons: 1. Mining is pointless (negative value proposition) 2. Who wants to develop anything on a worthless coin?

Its obvious to who? Someone with 7 post on bitcointalk?

Anyone with half a brain works as well. Have you EVER even heard of a coin succeeding that had 95% premine locked away? No.

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Quote from: Portabello75 on October 06, 2015, 04:21:34 PM

The 11 million still haunts this coin. The fact that miners earn pennies a day while there are 11 million coins in a 'development fund' is pure stupidity and this coin will NEVER become anything useful as long as this fund is in place. 100% FACT.

If the Development team were serious they would take a vote on what to do with the fund with some reasonable alternatives such as.

1. Burn 90% to give mining real value, recoup current holders for their 90% loss from introduction (It's more for most but hey) and establish a new development fund with 1 million coin.
2. Burn 100% and hard fork with subsidized mining (10%) for development purposes.

The developers can't justify this fund, and the 'it's a development fund' doesn't hold since it's obvious that the community (coin holders and miners) DO NOT WANT THE FUND! Sure, development is great, but 11 million coins is doing literally nothing but kill any chance this coin ever had for two very obvious reasons: 1. Mining is pointless (negative value proposition) 2. Who wants to develop anything on a worthless coin?

Its obvious to who? Someone with 7 post on bitcointalk?

Portabello75

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The 11 million still haunts this coin. The fact that miners earn pennies a day while there are 11 million coins in a 'development fund' is pure stupidity and this coin will NEVER become anything useful as long as this fund is in place. 100% FACT.

If the Development team were serious they would take a vote on what to do with the fund with some reasonable alternatives such as.

1. Burn 90% to give mining real value, recoup current holders for their 90% loss from introduction (It's more for most but hey) and establish a new development fund with 1 million coin.
2. Burn 100% and hard fork with subsidized mining (10%) for development purposes.

The developers can't justify this fund, and the 'it's a development fund' doesn't hold since it's obvious that the community (coin holders and miners) DO NOT WANT THE FUND! You can't claim democracy when you hold on to something that the 'voters' don't want.

Sure, development is great, but 11 million coins is doing literally nothing but kill any chance this coin ever had for two very obvious reasons: 1. Mining is pointless (negative value proposition) 2. Who wants to develop anything on a worthless coin?

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