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Topic: [ANN] FACTOM - Introducing Honesty to Record-Keeping - page 456. (Read 2115876 times)

legendary
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I like this project and I bought some Factoids.  I'd like to buy more but I'm concerned that the Factoid price will tank as soon as they hit the market in May.  Most (all?) other crowdsale coins have followed a similar pattern.  Any thoughts on this?

Also, will Factoids be stored on the BTC blockchain like XCP?  Will a wallet be released for them by the time they are issued?
hero member
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However many tokens you manage to sell, you double at the end for early investors and contributors right?

Good question


Yes let's say 5 million in Factoids are sold a total of 10 million will be in the Factom genesis block.

Below is a screenshot of the info on the Koinify page for the sale:



Wow, thought I must have misunderstood that!
legendary
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However many tokens you manage to sell, you double at the end for early investors and contributors right?

Good question


Yes let's say 5 million in Factoids are sold a total of 10 million will be in the Factom genesis block.

Below is a screenshot of the info on the Koinify page for the sale:



I was curious about this myself. Thanks for the info.
legendary
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We are pleased to announce a collaboration between Infinity Algorithms + Factom.
 
Read the details on our blog.



Great!

Mind sharing what's so great about a collaboration with a company that has on its webpage "Coming soon: Another fine website hosted by WebFaction." ?

I think it's a problem with https:

http://infinityalgorithms.com works Smiley
sr. member
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However many tokens you manage to sell, you double at the end for early investors and contributors right?

Good question


Yes let's say 5 million in Factoids are sold a total of 10 million will be in the Factom genesis block.

Below is a screenshot of the info on the Koinify page for the sale:

member
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However many tokens you manage to sell, you double at the end for early investors and contributors right?

Good question
hero member
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Hello, what will the total coin/fuel amount be in the end? Without knowing this, there is just no point in investing any money at this stage.

I need an idea of how much will be raised and what the total fuel cap will be (and inflation rate/distribution rate for the release of the subsequent fuel/coin). I've read a bunch of responses here and don't see this answered - a little worried about how difficult it seems to be to get this info.



The Software sale doesn't have a cap. So until it's over we won't know how many Factoids have been sold.
Also once the network goes live there will be a percentage of Factoids each year to be distributed as rewards to Factom Servers and nodes who help sustain the network with resources.

After May 15th (sale end) we should know the total amount of Factoids sold.

However many tokens you manage to sell, you double at the end for early investors and contributors right?
sr. member
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Doesn't this belong in the scamcoin altcoin section?

That is a nice question did you come up with it all by yourself? And why would you even say that?
If you don't mind digressing we'd like to understand your point of view if you have one, that is.
sr. member
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Hello, what will the total coin/fuel amount be in the end? Without knowing this, there is just no point in investing any money at this stage.

I need an idea of how much will be raised and what the total fuel cap will be (and inflation rate/distribution rate for the release of the subsequent fuel/coin). I've read a bunch of responses here and don't see this answered - a little worried about how difficult it seems to be to get this info.



The Software sale doesn't have a cap. So until it's over we won't know how many Factoids have been sold.
Also once the network goes live there will be a percentage of Factoids each year to be distributed as rewards to Factom Servers and nodes who help sustain the network with resources.

After May 15th (sale end) we should know the total amount of Factoids sold.
full member
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Hello, what will the total coin/fuel amount be in the end? Without knowing this, there is just no point in investing any money at this stage.

I need an idea of how much will be raised and what the total fuel cap will be (and inflation rate/distribution rate for the release of the subsequent fuel/coin). I've read a bunch of responses here and don't see this answered - a little worried about how difficult it seems to be to get this info.



go to the pre-sale page on Koinify, you will be able to find the details Smiley
hero member
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Hello, what will the total coin/fuel amount be in the end? Without knowing this, there is just no point in investing any money at this stage.

I need an idea of how much will be raised and what the total fuel cap will be (and inflation rate/distribution rate for the release of the subsequent fuel/coin). I've read a bunch of responses here and don't see this answered - a little worried about how difficult it seems to be to get this info.

legendary
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We are pleased to announce a collaboration between Infinity Algorithms + Factom.
 
Read the details on our blog.



Movin' on up!  Cool
sr. member
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Doesn't this belong in the scamcoin altcoin section?
sr. member
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FACTOM, you are doing it right!   Good job and good luck !  Wink

We appreciate the support, thank you!  Smiley
legendary
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FACTOM, you are doing it right!   Good job and good luck !  Wink
sr. member
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We are thrilled to announce a partnership between HealthNautica + Factom.

The news are featured on:

CoinTelegraph
Factom’s Latest Partnership Takes on US Healthcare.


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Using Proof of Stake will end up with Masternode stakeholders owning a lot of beach front property.
Edit: Proof of Stake will allow large Factoid holders to vote on the conversion rate. They will make it prohibitively expensive to buy entry credits. Wealthy attackers can create counterfeit entries and cause genuine entries to be ignored by consensus. In other words, Proof of Stake is not a good consensus, especially for property. Wealthy factoid holders will collude to attack record systems of valuable real estate. This has already been done in countries that have gone to computerized real estate bookkeeping. It would be better to not avoid Bitcoin's consensus approach. Proof of Work offers stronger protection from such attacks.
This.  A thousand times this.  Attacking POS is economically more feasible than POW.
I'm not sure I completely understand your points... But want to point out that Factom is secured by Bitcoin which is PoW

@FACTOM   @mortified     @Mashuri
Can you explain this concern deeper
or illustrate by an example/numbers?



Factom uses something I am calling proof of usage.  Since we have this two step process to convert from Factoids to Entry Credits, we leverage that for the voting process.  When a person commits value to the system, by turning tradable factoids to non-tradable ECs, they have a proportional say in who is a Federated server.  Unless a large Factoid holder effectively burns their stored value, they do not have a say in how the system is run.  Even if they were a Federated server and purchased Entry Credits, they would not be paying fees to themselves.  The fees are something along the lines of a Pigouvian tax https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/02/01/on-transaction-fees-and-the-fallacy-of-market-based-solutions/

We also use a Commitment Scheme http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commitment_scheme, where a user pays for a hashed Entry before the Federated servers know what it is.  If they decide to censor it later, then there is proof that they are censoring.  Bitcoin users cannot prove censorship.

As far as counterfit entries, that is a problem if you let it be.  We would expect an application which data that needs to be validated would be accompanied by a crypto signature.  The Federated servers cannot forge that.

The proof of usage is for moving the system forward.  Bitcoin hashpower keeps Factom servers from rewriting history.

The federated servers collectively set the Factoid->EC exchange rate.  They want to set it high enough to resist spam, but not so high as to stop legitimate usage.  That rate will go up and down relative to USD, BTC, CPI, etc.


"Wealthy attackers can create counterfeit..."  This is true in any system, including Bitcoin.  A wealthy attacker can make a 51% attack.  A wealthy central bank can make counterfeit dollar bills.

"cause genuine entries to be ignored by consensus. In other words, Proof of Stake is not a good consensus,"  All consensus mechanisms are susceptible to collusion.  You are also describing results of the 51% attack in the Bitcoin whitepaper.

"will collude to attack record systems of valuable real estate" There are a few attacks in a property record system.  1: stop changes from happening.  This would be pretty obvious to the person buying the property that they were being extorted.  If it gets onerous enough, then the property system would drop Factom and restart porting over history from Factom. http://szabo.best.vwh.net/securetitle.html
2: Changing history.  Bitcoin hashpower stops this.
3: Creating false histories.  Bitcoin will show a fork in Factom, assuming Bitcoin itself is not forked. Our system is designed to seize up before it forks.


"It would be better to not avoid Bitcoin's consensus approach. Proof of Work offers stronger protection from such attacks."  I am jealous of the ability of POW to burn through sibyl attacks, and other valuable things.  However, as our limited history has shown, if you are not the main Bitcoin chain, then POW makes you vulnerable, be it merge mining or straight SHA256d.  Also, having a pre-defined authority set allows instant acknowledgement from one of the Federated servers.

POW provides two things: non-reversability and probabilistically chooses who sets policy.  Factom relies on Bitcoin to give non-reversability.  Policy is set by servers elected by proof of usage.




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@BitcoinIsLiberty

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What would be the advantages of FACTOM over a FACTOM clone where the mining is removed from the data layer and the database of hashes is under centralized control for whoever is using the FACTOM clone?

Factom splits up control, but still binds the servers together with a consensus mechanism.  It is attempting to be censorship resistant, similar to Bitcoin.  If you setup a system with centralized control, then that central party is free to censor.

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The security seems to be the same since the top hash is put into bitcoin in both systems. The ability to audit seems similar too.
The blockchain adds irrevocable hashes in the FACTOM blockchain but couldn't FACTOM clone just publish the database of hashes for anyone to mirror if that was important?

Have you speculated on if people will stick with FACTOM for simplicity or will a whole slew of clones appear customized for each client? FACTOM like systems seems like they could be quite useful for a lot of uses.

Factom giving non-reversibility is not too groundbreaking.  You can do that today on proofofexistence.com.  Factom allows you to publish data into a blockchain which is censorship resistant, while being spam resistant.  This is the very tricky problem Satoshi seems to have solved with Bitcoin, and we are attempting to do as well.

Factom proves a negative for a specific application.  This would be analogous to asking why an asset issued on counterparty is just as good as an asset issued on dogeparty.  The underlying network provides the confidence for higher layers.   A Factom clone may or may not provide the confidence to applications built on top of it.
legendary
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Have you even watched one of their videos posted on this thread ?
hero member
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Koinify states 50% of all Factoms are for early investors and contributors, how can you know that before the sales ended? Are you duplicating the pot of whatever you raise for this group?
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