Okay, I'll be civil once again. Let's see if any of the concerns I present are now addressed. I'm guessing NOT, but I've been wrong twice before this year.
https://www.theinvestzone.com/2017/09/21/an-exclusive-interview-with-nadine-damblon-of-hydrominer-org/
Exactly how does a private citizen of Austria, viz. an entity sans a business charter, go about obtaining not one, but two contracts to install crypto mining farms in vacate buildings adjacent to power stations that gets its electricity from dams in the Austrian Alps?
If HydroMiner was envisioned in 2016, then why did they wait till August 2017, to register hydrominer.org? (this question was asked at the beginning of this thread, but has never been addressed by the FUD buster thehun)
Why did Nadine Damblon lie about when she and her sister, Nicole, started mining crypto along with what was initially mined, namely 2014/2015 and btc/eth, respectively?
Further, why are there so many inconsistencies in the supposed facts that Nadine has advanced over the course of myriad interviews and Net content?
https://www.theinvestzone.com/2017/09/21/an-exclusive-interview-with-nadine-damblon-of-hydrominer-org/
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Q: How did the idea of HydroMiner.org come about? Is this something you were doing before?
Well, interestingly enough, we met an investor how [sic] helped us rent and fill the first two hydro powered stations.
Well, interestingly enough, we met an investor how [sic] helped us rent and fill the first two hydro powered stations.
Exactly how does a private citizen of Austria, viz. an entity sans a business charter, go about obtaining not one, but two contracts to install crypto mining farms in vacate buildings adjacent to power stations that gets its electricity from dams in the Austrian Alps?
If HydroMiner was envisioned in 2016, then why did they wait till August 2017, to register hydrominer.org? (this question was asked at the beginning of this thread, but has never been addressed by the FUD buster thehun)
Why did Nadine Damblon lie about when she and her sister, Nicole, started mining crypto along with what was initially mined, namely 2014/2015 and btc/eth, respectively?
Further, why are there so many inconsistencies in the supposed facts that Nadine has advanced over the course of myriad interviews and Net content?
I was shown this discussion here and I must say I can hardly believe the language used, this is completely unacceptable sexist and from what I know nobody from HM wants to reply to you anymore, which I can understand very well.
However, at least the tone became better now.
I might be able to answer some questions and maybe bring the discussion back to normality.
So actually I am the main investor that has computers in the Langenlois/Schoenberg facility and in another location.
The answer to the first question is very trivial. My company rented the actual Hydropowerstations long before the idea of a company of the name Hydrominer or an ICO of the same came about.
There is no problem in Austria to rent a Hydropowerstation, as a company or person, in fact, both Hydropowerstations are owned privately each one by a single person, so I do not really get the question at all, anyway its no problem to do that.
Nadine and Nicole managed these 2 facilities and Mr Vogl also got involved later as he is a Hardware supplier and has also a lot of experience in mining.
I don't know when exactly Nadine and Nicole started mining but when I met them they seem to have had quite some experience and moved their own equipment to the Schoenberg location.
In the Summer of this year Nadine, Nicole, Christian and some of the early investors decided to do an ICO and that's when they had to come up with a name for the project, register a company etc. before that they organized mining for private investors and did not need a company for this.
Also when I check the domain, it was registered on July 12 and not in August.
https://whois.domaintools.com/hydrominer.org
What are the other questions? I did not go over the whole discussion.
https://www.hydrominer.org/what-is-hydrominer/
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My name is Nadine Damblon, and I’m the CEO of the HydroMiner operation. Via this post, I want to welcome you to our website and showcase you a little bit more about our mining venture.
I built the first mining rig together with my sister – Nicole – in 2014. Thanks to the increasing prices of nearly all cryptocurrencies, pretty much all mining operations have been very successful. In 2016, we founded the HydroMiner project, but made it only available to our family and closest of friends. With the money, we set up our rigs in data centers.
Those data centers offered great returns, especially in those bull markets. We started to think about renting more and more data centers until a friend suggested to rent out hydro power stations. We researched a little bit and found out that indeed hydro power stations offer a perfect possibility to push our mining operation. And besides increasing our profits per mining rig, it also gave us the possibility to make our project eco-friendly! Yey!
The HydroMiner ICO
Right since we decided to scale up our operations by renting our first hydroelectric power station, teamwork has been an integral part of our modus operandi. We as a company believe it’s easier to achieve success when we have our employees operating as a team and NOT as individuals.
I built the first mining rig together with my sister – Nicole – in 2014. Thanks to the increasing prices of nearly all cryptocurrencies, pretty much all mining operations have been very successful. In 2016, we founded the HydroMiner project, but made it only available to our family and closest of friends. With the money, we set up our rigs in data centers.
Those data centers offered great returns, especially in those bull markets. We started to think about renting more and more data centers until a friend suggested to rent out hydro power stations. We researched a little bit and found out that indeed hydro power stations offer a perfect possibility to push our mining operation. And besides increasing our profits per mining rig, it also gave us the possibility to make our project eco-friendly! Yey!
The HydroMiner ICO
Right since we decided to scale up our operations by renting our first hydroelectric power station, teamwork has been an integral part of our modus operandi. We as a company believe it’s easier to achieve success when we have our employees operating as a team and NOT as individuals.
Is it just me, or are Saschaman and Nadine's statements in conflict with one another?
To recap, on HM's site it's stated that Nadine started mining cryptos in 2014 and 2015, and we don't have a clue as to who or what entity rented facilities at the two dam sites since the main investor and Nadine's statements conflict each other.
I think I can shade some light into this. You really seem to like details. Anyway, so I was going over my emails, my earliest one with Nadine is from March 2015, so theoretically she could have just started mining 2015, but it's quite possible it was 2014, I actually don't know, since we met at an ethereum meetup I would assume she was mining at that point, maybe not in a commercial way, I mean the term is stretchable.
About the equipment and the rental, now my company signed the rental contract, also I purchased my equipment myself and Nadine and Nicole, mainly Nadine managed all of this for me, now technically my company rented the hydropowerstations basically because my company can deduct the VAT that comes on top of the rent, same goes for the equipment, also here there is a 20% VAT on top so it was advisable to do it over my company. However, if there would any differences in the outcome due to electricity shortcomings other problems with rigs etc. financially it was Nadine and Nicole who would have been financially responsible. Simply put, we have been a group of 8 including the 2 sisters and because Hydrominer wasn't incorporated we needed a company (because of the VAT thing) to purchase equipment and rent the places.
About Nicole being in Dusseldorf or Vienna, as far as I followed this she was flying back and forth for a while, sometimes weekly, so hard to say where she was where, also not sure how important this is, as even today we do not have to be near the rigs to operate them, so I don't get the point.
About Mr. Vogl, just to make it clear, this is a group of people that joined together for a project, first Nadine and Nicole, then Christian, then others, then me, they had loose connections with each other, buying hardware from Christian, getting investment from others, building the facilities etc. I don't know what is your experience with entrepreneurship but I am an entrepreneur for years and its usually not like 7 people sit together on a table, decide to do something, come up with a name, register for a company, capitalize and then start working. In fact usually its pretty much the other way round.
One more thing about registering a company in Austria, so first of all, who cares ? You can make business without a company no problem (you do have a tax problem with the VAT that you will lose), If you do business with registering a company its called a "company under common law" I guess this exists also in the US and the only issue is that you are liable yourself. If you want to register, you go to a notary and make a contract and everybody signs it. From the tax authorities, this would be fine, anything from this point on (and even before) is accepted as invoices to the company and you get the VAT back. Next you file with the company register, this can take anywhere from 3 days to months, mainly depending on the name, as much as I heard, Hydrominer wanted the name Hydrominer GmbH and nothing else, now (stupidly) because of the pressure from social media etc. they settled for Hydrominer IT-Services GmbH, which I find is a bad decision and I personally would have continued the dicussion with the company register and not listen to some dudes in a telegram channel that have no idea about all of this and believe that a company registration would have anything to do with the existence of a project or not.
Did I forget anything?
"One more thing about registering a company in Austria, so first of all, who cares ?"
Coming across curtly aside, I, for one, don't necessarily care if HydroMiner is a registered company or not, albeit being incorporated is prudent, but that wasn't the issue. The issue was that Nadine was on record in stating that HM had a charter approximately one month prior to having one in place.
"About the equipment and the rental, now my company signed the rental contract, also I purchased my equipment myself and Nadine and Nicole, mainly Nadine managed all of this for me, now technically my company rented the hydropowerstations basically because my company can deduct the VAT that comes on top of the rent, same goes for the equipment, also here there is a 20% VAT on top so it was advisable to do it over my company. However, if there would any differences in the outcome due to electricity shortcomings other problems with rigs etc. financially it was Nadine and Nicole who would have been financially responsible. Simply put, we have been a group of 8 including the 2 sisters and because Hydrominer wasn't incorporated we needed a company (because of the VAT thing) to purchase equipment and rent the places."
Your company rented the power stations where your miners were deployed which Nadine managed, in which she was financially responsible for the rigs, shortcomings, etc. I, among others, would love to get in on some that action. At the end of the graf you stated that you needed a company so to do exactly what you previously espoused - renting power stations, purchasing equipment, VAT, etc. The only thing I see different is that you're handing over your supposedly profitable venture to another entity where you become a minor player. Recall, it was Nadine who founded HydroMiner prior to working for you. Now you're part of the team where Nadine calls the shots.
"About Mr. Vogl, just to make it clear, this is a group of people that joined together for a project, first Nadine and Nicole, then Christian, then others, then me, they had loose connections with each other, buying hardware from Christian, getting investment from others, building the facilities etc."
That's an interesting timeline further negating what has previously been declared.
First Nadine and Nicole (Founders of HydroMiner circa 2015 or 2016, depending on ?).
Then Christian (on record started with HydroMiner in 2016).
Then others (assuming 4 others making up the team of 8.).
Then you.
So, you joined the team last in spite of stating in the previously quoted graf that it's your power station mining outfit which the girls managed for you, with Christian coming on board later followed by the rest of the team.
One more thing, if I were a red arrow, how close would I be to Christian and Tobias' office in Vienna? ...
So about the company registration, one more thing, so when you register with court it's very common here to do business, there are cases where it can take months to get a registration, especially when your name has some trademark issues, so I would say its fine today you have a company even before you have the company number, but whatever probably you can see this both ways.
About renting the places, its no problem to rent for anybody, the problem is only that you will lose the 20% of VAT that comes on top of the rent as an individual, even then you could possibly get deductions against it including the VAT, but hey I am not a tax advisor, but that was our thought back then, to not waste the 20%.
About the team, no sorry, I am completely not part of the team, I did my investment in miners there, I like the project and the people but I am busy with completely different business (besides bitcointalk now).
The others, Nicole, Nadine and Christian mined long before I met them and rented the first power station, as far as I understand Nicole and Nadine at home, Christian in many places and another investor also in his house, I only startet there in Schönberg. In the video, I believe you can even see older rigs from Nadine and Nicole that they placed in Schönberg.
About the Red Arrow, you must help me, I don't know what that means, HM now has little to do with Tobias I believe and Christian ist pretty busy with it, not sure how much they know each other actually.
"About the Red Arrow, you must help me, I don't know what that means, HM now has little to do with Tobias I believe and Christian ist pretty busy with it, not sure how much they know each other actually."
I was alluding to Tobias and Christian's office that you, Nadine and Andreas went to visit according to ...
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Andreas released a video-report on his visit to HydroMiner meeting the team members (Christian Vogl (CTO), Nadine Damblon (CEO), Sebastian Kastner (Lead Engineer), Tobias Ratschiller and Sascha Dennstedt (advisors)) personally and checking out the mining station that’s a very useful source of information about the project for people considering the purchase of the H2O tokens representing the power shares in the HydroMiner farms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc9cxWnp30o
Here's the office view located at Kärntner Ring 17, 1010 Wien, Austria ...
I am taken aback that you, Dr. Sascha Christian Dennstedt, are not familiar with the iconic pharmacy building, I thinking that you may have an office in the complex.
I, too, don't know how much Christian and Tobias know each since they ONLY share an office together (according to Andreas in the vid), thus seldom speak about stuff like Tobias' https://www.cryptocoin.news (with Simon Cocking, another HM advisor) and Christian's HM role.
"About the equipment and the rental, now my company signed the rental contract, also I purchased my equipment myself and Nadine and Nicole, mainly Nadine managed all of this for me, now technically my company rented the hydropowerstations"
"The others, Nicole, Nadine and Christian mined long before I met them and rented the first power station, as far as I understand Nicole and Nadine at home, Christian in many places and another investor also in his house, I only startet there in Schönberg"
The first quote by you above states that you rented hydropowerstations (PLURAL), while the second quote by you states that Nadine et al. rented the first power station (SINGULAR).
Further, since you make up the team of eight, you're not mentioned in the white paper along with HM's 7 team members: https://www.hydrominer.org/wp-content/uploads/HydroMiner.pdf
But, you are mentioned here: http://www.cryptosmile.com/2017/10/hydrominer-cryptocurrency-mining-company-using-green-energy.html
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TEAM CORE
Nadine Damblon, CEO
Nicole Damblon, CFO
Christian Vogl, CTO
Philip Dimitrov, CMO
Sebastian Kastner, Lead Engineer
Kevin Benckendorf, Public Relations
Alexander Dimitrov, Developer
ADVISORY BOARD
Tobias Ratschiller, An active crypto currency investor since 2012. (HM forgot to mention that Tobias is co-founder of CryptoCoin.News along with Simon Cocking)
Reuben Godfrey, co-founder of the Blockchain Association of Ireland and the Irish Chamber of Commerce in Slovakia.
Michael Marcovici, Managing Director of Digital Developers Fund, an investment fund focusing on digital assets.
Jonas Sevel Karlberg, co-founded the Nordic Blockchain Association in the beginning of 2017 and operated as a freelance community manager for Bancor and later for Stox, bitJob, Flixxo, Kickcity and Sharpe Capital.
Michele Roscelli, Michele has been involved in crypto mining since 2013.
Dr. Sascha Dennstedt, co-founded several startups in the biotech and financial sector.
Simon Cocking, Senior Editor at Irish Tech News, co-founder and Editor in Chief at CryptoCoin.News and an ICO advisor to Bit India.
Raphael Beaumond, An energy consultant based in Brussels.
Nadine Damblon, CEO
Nicole Damblon, CFO
Christian Vogl, CTO
Philip Dimitrov, CMO
Sebastian Kastner, Lead Engineer
Kevin Benckendorf, Public Relations
Alexander Dimitrov, Developer
ADVISORY BOARD
Tobias Ratschiller, An active crypto currency investor since 2012. (HM forgot to mention that Tobias is co-founder of CryptoCoin.News along with Simon Cocking)
Reuben Godfrey, co-founder of the Blockchain Association of Ireland and the Irish Chamber of Commerce in Slovakia.
Michael Marcovici, Managing Director of Digital Developers Fund, an investment fund focusing on digital assets.
Jonas Sevel Karlberg, co-founded the Nordic Blockchain Association in the beginning of 2017 and operated as a freelance community manager for Bancor and later for Stox, bitJob, Flixxo, Kickcity and Sharpe Capital.
Michele Roscelli, Michele has been involved in crypto mining since 2013.
Dr. Sascha Dennstedt, co-founded several startups in the biotech and financial sector.
Simon Cocking, Senior Editor at Irish Tech News, co-founder and Editor in Chief at CryptoCoin.News and an ICO advisor to Bit India.
Raphael Beaumond, An energy consultant based in Brussels.
One last thing, Sascha, this needs updating: https://www.crunchbase.com/person/sascha-c-dennstedt
