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maybe you will have luck in ionomy slack providing your "indisputable proof"...

How do you know that I am still a whale?
How do you know that I speak loudly in the meetings?
How do you know Sharky's been told about the details of the Ionomy vision?
How do you know Sharky's is Buying/Selling IONs?
How do you know the law where the company is registered?
How do you know Sharky's doesn't have stock in Ionomy?
If proof is provided, how do you know it wasn't faked?

in the mean time, let's roll with my statements until proven wrong with facts:

WildShark is a very vocal "Shark" in the Whale's meetings expressing his option on "input to direction of the platform". Which includes asking the tough questions to the Team and clarifying the Ionomy vision! None of this discussion pertains to my strategy of Buying/Selling IONs.

The definition of insider trading is "trading a public company's stock or other securities (such as bonds or stock options)", IONs, Electrons or Atoms are neither of these! I also do not own any of Ionomy stock and therefore I DO NOT PERFORM INSIDER TRADING.

I stated before that I don't agree with you. I've stated why I don't agree wth you and I've also suggested a different solution to soliciting input. I think all your color coding and post mixing got you all mixed up.

What do you not understand about my statements made in the prior post??? I'm guessing your don't take them as "indisputable proof" since you disagree with my statements and you need to voice the reason you disagree to my statement here or in Ionomy Slack where they can prove your indisputable proof... What's wrong with my statement?

Post it here or on iontalk, make it short and factual, with links whenever possible. After a few days I'll collect the contributions and update the FAQ.

I might just do that how does the process for contribution work do I send you the changes for review or do I just make the changes how would you like to handle the control flow

Feel free to contribute if you have something relevant to say. By this point in our relationship I'm sure you already know what I think of your empty rhetoric.

Are you proud of this piece of work because it's not good especially for someone that has the capability to do so much better

https://www.iontalk.net/t/gravity-status-report-restart-2/194/35


Thanks to tvle83

Anytime. I just feel the team should use some of that BTC (well, now fiat) to move the platform along. There shouldn't be 2+ month delays for releases when they ha e 300+ BTC (equivalent) in the bank. If they truly believe in the platform, which every supporter claims they are, then using some of that BTC shouldn't stress them at all.

The fact hey refuse to touch those funds has me concerned. If they aren't going to use those funds for development and providing value to the Ionomy platform, what are those funds for? There was a nefarious scenario laid out above and I can see some validity to it.

But first and foremost the ION team needs to open up to the greater crypto world and stop trying to do everything themselves in heir little walled garden. This is a crypto project (at least I think it is), open source, meant to eat I out from the entire crypto world. So far that are only taking input from people who paid a lot of money to do so.

Id like to see them stop with creating different levels of elitism and use the funds raised to further the project. And of course provide proof that said funds are used for said purpose.

If they were willing to do this if be willing to invest. But I don't see them using the ICO funds to build the platform. I see them trying to do t as cheaply as possible, even if it takes a year per game, so they can save the ICO funds for themselves.

My experience is the whales hangout is it's another tool for ION to gather market intelligence and discuss different scenarios. For instance at the last hangout they wanted our thoughts on the delay to gravity and discussed different options :

To fill a delay gap create a demo
Ignore possible API vulnerabilities whilst working on bug fixes let the game go out for testing
Have a little more time to add some more polish

The feedback was forget the demo,strengthen the API and use the time to add a little more polish. The whales are from totally different backgrounds. The only thing we have in common is a vested interest for ionomy to succeed

You think this is better than providing actual BTC for bounties and having the greater crypto world potentially contribute? Please explain.

I see your point, a good question. Maybe it would be a better option i.e. 70/30 split in favor of BTC then as ION begins to increase in value the split is reduced weighted more towards ION 

Dunno about anyone else but I appreciate that kind of feedback so thanks for sharing your thoughts

 

I posted the FAQ on iontalk:

https://www.iontalk.net/t/bitcointalk-ion-faq/207

No, I do not agree and I'm having problems following what you are doing here. How about this: instead of changing words colors or changing the text of what I wrote, you form your own thoughts and words? The way you do it, in traditional ION fashion, makes it impossible to follow.

Sharks, whales, founders or whatever other animal ION makes up is my a good way to solicit ideas. It's a good way to create elitism though. What qualifies a person that can afford to buy a bunch of trinkets to provide proper platform input? There are no other qualification needed to buy Atoms other than having he money to do so.

You think this is better than providing actual BTC for bounties and having the greater crypto world potentially contribute? Please explain.

No remember, use your own words and thoughts so this can be followed like a traditional discussion. No changing colors or deleting and inserting your own words.

Thanks.

Let's try and work on answering one though/statement at a time in our discussion with indisputable proof. Do you trust any of the statements made in the posting above. If you agree to them, let's say that it fills your "indisputable proof". Your other viable option is to visit the Ionomy Slack and ask your questions there where you can solicit intelligent answers from the ION community to my statements?

For more information, Join/Visit the Ionomy Slack @ https://ionomy.slack.com/messages/general/details/

It's good that your going directly and asking your questions, know that I respect what you say and even though I think your metrics are wrong... we're having a discussion and that's always a good thing   

I will make a follow up post on ionomy and their ico investments though. I find it appauling and very dodgy that they solicited funds from people in the form of btc which was turned to cash and provide bounties in ion.

I guess you mean asking on slack

Doesn't anyone find it strange and concerning that they premined their ion for bounties but there is no direction for the btc or cash they turned that btc into. Shouldn't the purpose of the raised funds be to use said raised funds in that form to pay people?

For now I don't care, all I care about is the release of Gravity and the implementation of the API. I don't know exactly when they'll be released for testing by I know it will be very soon

Nobody is asking this question and they rightly should.

If I were looking to invest a ton of money into Ionomy today I would, compared to the money I have tied up in BTC it's peanuts. If they deliver on the first stages of their plan knowing this info would be nice but not critical, like I said today I care more about delivery and implementation 

Ionomy didn't use that btc or cash to buy market ions to use in the bounty so they have in fact double dipped yet again. The intent of usual premines is to pay bounties and encourage coin use. But if you solict funding in another form there is no need for this....

I think your making some big assumptions here go to slack and ask... think about what your asking.... an unknown entity with no vested interest you may not like the response


Its yet another red flag and im sure most will dismiss it with some excuse. The smart ion involved will ask this of the team. Wildshark would do well to ask these questions and report answers. Unfortunately for everyone i suspect he won't and its really indicitive of people's desire to try and make the project legitimate when they don't raise real valid rational concerns.

Wildshark isn't ION, I'm not ION, your asking people to do your due diligence for you and moaning when we don't, who are you, why should anyone do your homework  although if you were Satoshi Nakamoto I would, i'd even carry your books home

My thoughts are adam matlack and his close few are using the case to cover their loses and justifying it as their time helping others. In the end they will try sleeping well at night saying they released a single crappy game and an api that most programmers worth their salt could develop in a month with normal work.

WoW that kind of positioning must open lots of doors for you, if this how you intend to approach ION and expect to get an answer don't be surprised if you get none. If it were me just be your demeanor I wouldn't bother to answer because until I actually deliver something whatever I say would not change your mind. If it did then more fool you

Just remember though $300k usd gets your a lot more than what they are going to provide. Its just wool over your eyes. Ask for transparency on the actual cash and watch them avoid or run around it.

Or just wait and see what they deliver then based on what you see and what there intent is just figure it out don't take anyone's advise but your own

BTW. PixelPowered any grammatical mistakes in this post are down to the crap forum software.

I will make a follow up post on ionomy and their ico investments though. I find it appauling and very dodgy that they solicited funds from people in the form of btc which was turned to cash and provide bounties in ion.

Doesn't anyone find it strange and concerning that they premined their ion for bounties but there is no direction for the btc or cash they turned that btc into. Shouldn't the purpose of the raised funds be to use said raised funds in that form to pay people?

Nobody is asking this question and they rightly should.

Ionomy didn't use that btc or cash to buy market ions to use in the bounty so they have in fact double dipped yet again. The intent of usual premines is to pay bounties and encourage coin use. But if you solict funding in another form there is no need for this....

Its yet another red flag and im sure most will dismiss it with some excuse. The smart ion involved will ask this of the team. Wildshark would do well to ask these questions and report answers. Unfortunately for everyone i suspect he won't and its really indicitive of people's desire to try and make the project legitimate when they don't raise real valid rational concerns.

My thoughts are adam matlack and his close few are using the case to cover their loses and justifying it as their time helping others. In the end they will try sleeping well at night saying they released a single crappy game and an api that most programmers worth their salt could develop in a month with normal work.

Just remember though $300k usd gets your a lot more than what they are going to provide. Its just wool over your eyes. Ask for transparency on the actual cash and watch them avoid or run around it.

I followed up with 2 posts. The game isn't "banned" in india. There is no formal government ban. Its basically just a court case some people are putting through at the moment. There is no official its banned statement that i can find. I was responding to your comments stating it was officially banned when it is not.

When you got to this elite super saiyan strategic level.

Probably when you stopped using diapers

Did you lose your phonics and grammar all at once or was it gradual?

Dunno ask OoOo if your understand what I say then job done

How do you invoke the infinite ego of Garza's spirit into some of your posts and then become understandable the next?


If I had his ego I won't be here would I, if there are bits of my posts you don't understand and would like too then ask and I'll try to elaborate

I'm going to try to get high enough to understand it all.

Great

Life and all that stuff. Have fun playing with moon moon over semantics.

Not high enough yet, try harder

Why do you keep saying is the game has not be teleased in India, I totally agree, what is your point I don't understand ?

I'll honor that one.  Make the bounties pay in BTC or some other attractive alt and get input from outside the community. But TeamION is scared shitless to get any input from outside the community. Who from outside he community is going to build an iOS and Android wallet for ION for $500 in ION? I'll answer than for you, no one. Use that premine for what is was meant for...to invest in the platform. Pay some real devs real funds to achieve their vision. Know what happens when hey try and do it all themselves? A year wasted with XPY then a new coin formed to cover the previous failures.

Why are you asking me if my interpretation is wrong, it's my interpretation? Actually, what in the hell are you babbling about? I stated I would correct my statement if wrong. I would never trust any statement you make without seeing indisputable proof of the claim. You twist and stretch words to fit your own agenda. Case and point: you "earning" whale status like some big shot buy bidding on Atoms on the market...fucking joke.

So you stated in red that you don't perform insider trading, so I am supposed to believe you? Is every investor invited to the whales meetings? No? Then you do get inside information sooner than others which allows you to buy, sell or hold based on said information. If you are not an investor and Atoms are not like stocks or some other derivative, why do you get direct input to a companies direction? Isn't that what stock holders get?

Please, help me to understand how Atoms are not like stocks. Do you not own a share of the ION company? If not, are Atoms a loan to the ION company then? If that is the case, what were the terms of the loan?

@CyrptoBuds Is your interpretation wrong??? Are you going to correct it? or are we just rolling with WildShark's statements are correct??? How about you sharing an answer to Korvas128 question? I think having Whales, Sharks and Founders is a wise method of soliciting intelligence into the Ionomy project...