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legendary
Activity: 3654
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I have questions to the ION team:  If I am interested in games that use cryptocurrencies, why wouldn't I just use a game that utilizes Bitcoin? For what reason should I buy a new altcoin that was cloned from another alt and has a premine of more than 50%? How is ION interesting to anyone else but the Paycoin bagholders who got some ION for free?

Microtransactions with Bitcoin are cost prohibitive with our game reward and platform incentive model. Small amounts of satoshi can't be moved cheaply.

@ionomy
1) will you be proving the premine address for tracking purposes and transparency?

2) can you go on record tonstate you will not be using the premine to create mass masternodes to gain 50% rewards for blocks? with a large premine this means you can instantly monopolise the rewards in a high percent. please show the premine address.

note if its not provided people will find it from the genesis block and movement. from here they'll see masternode creation and link it. its better to be upfront. what is premine address and are you making masternodes and how many?

The coin hasn't been released yet so they probably don't have the premine address yet. I would be surprised if they publish any more details than could be seen in the source code + 1st block, let alone any signed messages to prove ownership etc. It's just not in their MO. But I'm open to be proven wrong.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
@boki15 I am a trader, not an investor. I will probably trade ION if it has any volume and volatility. I don't really care what a coin's background is or its history as long as I can find a profitable trade.

I know there are some people who will get in early and take the risks. That's not really how I would do it as a trader.  We could speculate though about possible outcomes. Obviously some people who got in early at the lower price can dump to anyone who got in later at a higher price.

At a coin tech level, they could try to profit off proof of stake. If they can double the amount of ION they bought in a couple years, they'd break even if the coin price drops 50% from the initial purchase price. Price could crash if the company flees with the BTC. Or if the company could dumps their own ION into the market. But that's kind of what an ICO is anyhow (dumping their own coin into the market).

Is this technology worth as much as a DASH? I haven't looked at the numbers (coin supply, market price, market cap) to compare them.

An unknown amount (up to 1.25 million) of ION has been exchanged for XPY at around $0.08 or so, i.e. significantly less than the $0.20 ICO price. The amount of ION will more than double within the first year, meaning that to sustain the ICO valuation just due to INFLATION ionomy has to generate ~$3 million in demand, or to sustain at least the XPY exchange valuation it has to generate ~$0.5m in demand PLUS whatever dumping is going to take place.

If I was seriously considering investing in this (LOL) I would at the very least try to research how many altcoin and/or mobile game startups were able to accomplish such growth in their first year and how they compare to ionomy. I bet MrCoins has done that just wouldn't tell us Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1021
I have questions to the ION team:  If I am interested in games that use cryptocurrencies, why wouldn't I just use a game that utilizes Bitcoin? For what reason should I buy a new altcoin that was cloned from another alt and has a premine of more than 50%? How is ION interesting to anyone else but the Paycoin bagholders who got some ION for free?

Microtransactions with Bitcoin are cost prohibitive with our game reward and platform incentive model. Small amounts of satoshi can't be moved cheaply.

@ionomy
1) will you be proving the premine address for tracking purposes and transparency?

2) can you go on record tonstate you will not be using the premine to create mass masternodes to gain 50% rewards for blocks? with a large premine this means you can instantly monopolise the rewards in a high percent. please show the premine address.

note if its not provided people will find it from the genesis block and movement. from here they'll see masternode creation and link it. its better to be upfront. what is premine address and are you making masternodes and how many?
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1021
Hi guys, long weekend. Had some family stuff to deal with, getting back to it today.

As to guy behind the Ionomy handle. I'm Richard Nelson, support director for ionomy.

We'll try and work through the thread today and get some of the more outstanding questions resolved.

The business registration is still stuck in government limbo, we're working with them and our local contact to get it sorted.

thank your richard. can you confirm you are the only person who uses this account and others that do will state this in their posts? in the name of accountability.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1021
At a bare minimum, he was stupid enough to fall for the GAW/Garza scam

I switched off at this point.

People who get burgled, robbed, scammed, defrauded, tricked, deceived....

...these are NOT stupid people - they are victims of people with ill intent.

I am glad you have never been robbed/burgled/victimised, you don't know how it feels.

This is likely the reason for your ignorance.

@mrcoins
in a post recently you agreed with me on transparency and we should know who ionomy is. but you also like posts by huey saying comments counter to releasing information provided. which is it.

do you remember garza saying we dont have to release info just because non believers ask just trust us. these ion people are doing the same. you say you've learnt a lot since the xpy days but this is the same thing.

my questions is what is your stance on this again. for transparency or not? or do you play both sides where it suits?
you should push them to release info as they are taking money. if there is nothing to hide why the need to show addresses for original premine, names on handles etc. if you cant support that then im affraid you actually didnt learn anything from xpy like you say.
newbie
Activity: 6
Merit: 0
@boki15 I am a trader, not an investor. I will probably trade ION if it has any volume and volatility. I don't really care what a coin's background is or its history as long as I can find a profitable trade.

I know there are some people who will get in early and take the risks. That's not really how I would do it as a trader.  We could speculate though about possible outcomes. Obviously some people who got in early at the lower price can dump to anyone who got in later at a higher price.

At a coin tech level, they could try to profit off proof of stake. If they can double the amount of ION they bought in a couple years, they'd break even if the coin price drops 50% from the initial purchase price. Price could crash if the company flees with the BTC. Or if the company could dumps their own ION into the market. But that's kind of what an ICO is anyhow (dumping their own coin into the market).

Is this technology worth as much as a DASH? I haven't looked at the numbers (coin supply, market price, market cap) to compare them.
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1000
At a bare minimum, he was stupid enough to fall for the GAW/Garza scam

I switched off at this point.

People who get burgled, robbed, scammed, defrauded, tricked, deceived....

...these are NOT stupid people - they are victims of people with ill intent.

I am glad you have never been robbed/burgled/victimised, you don't know how it feels.

This is likely the reason for your ignorance.

If you get mugged walking down the street, you are innocent. If you lose your money because you bought a deed to the brooklyn bridge from some guy in a bar, you are an idiot. People that lost money to GAW are much closer to the latter.

the difference between me and other people who have been robbed, and you and team xpy etc is that we have learned from our mistakes and tried to get better in the future.

i did not say that everyone who gets scammed is an idiot, I am saying that people that fell for THIS particular scam as hard as THESE particular people did AND spent another year on various projects to "fix" the coin that accomplished nothing are either idiots or in on the scam.

So you are saying ION / Ionomy is a scam? In your opinion or this is a fact?

You are entitled to come to your own conclusion of course but the premise that you should try to brainwash everyone else with your own opinion leaves me bewildered.

Concerned citizen? Or Self appointed Internet Police person trying to "save" people from their own stupidity?

As always, never invest in anything that doesn't feel safe or is outside of your comfort zone. Only invest what you can afford to lose - not a penny more. All crypto projects are EXTREMELY high risk. If in doubt, step back and wait a few months and review if need be, or just move on.

Self appointed internet police in the department to make sure every knows your and Matlack's reputations so they can make an informed decision.
member
Activity: 124
Merit: 10
I figured it out! They are not answering the questions cause they want us to guess what they are trying to accomplish. Only once we guess correctly will they tell us. I hear there's a 10BTC reward to the first person that can accurately describe the ins and outs of the project.

Or whatever provided description that sounds the best is what they'll go with.
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1042
HODL
I figured it out! They are not answering the questions cause they want us to guess what they are trying to accomplish. Only once we guess correctly will they tell us. I hear there's a 10BTC reward to the first person that can accurately describe the ins and outs of the project.
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1042
HODL
I have questions to the ION team:  If I am interested in games that use cryptocurrencies, why wouldn't I just use a game that utilizes Bitcoin? For what reason should I buy a new altcoin that was cloned from another alt and has a premine of more than 50%? How is ION interesting to anyone else but the Paycoin bagholders who got some ION for free?

Microtransactions with Bitcoin are cost prohibitive with our game reward and platform incentive model. Small amounts of satoshi can't be moved cheaply.

Why not just use Blackcoin instead? Please explain the need for yet another coin and one that is nothing more than a clone at that.

It's not a clone. There's a big difference.

One word.

Masternodes.

Or is that two words?

Ok, then why not just use Blackcoin? I keep hearing that it's the platform that is the accomplishment. So why not just focus on the platform and use of the the several thousand other altcoin a already in existence.  What does ION do that no other coin in existence not do?

The coin operates on PoS3 + Masternodes. There is no coin that works like this, it's all in the whitepaper here:

https://github.com/ionomy/ion/wiki/ION-Technical-Whitepaper

Also, I believe some of the platform features (atoms, electrons etc) may be built into the block chain in the future. So some level of centralised control (at least in the beginning) would appear to be needed for this expansion.

But, if any official ionTeam members would like to give a more complete answer, please do.

Well, Blackcoin is POS3. So wonder what is going on in these games that requires Masternodes which would warrant the new design. Or what in the games requires POS3 and not just Dash coin?

I get hat there is a difference, it's not an exact clone. But why does this need to exist? Why not use Dash or Blackcoin? Why the need to polute with another coin?

Dash is a POW coin, so it wouldnt fit the business model. I think that combining the POS and Masternodes is pretty cool, the POS won't require special hardware and the masternodes will make it possible for private transactions and near instant transactions.  Also the interactions between the electrons for in game play and Ions made it necessary for a new coin structure. Just a few thoughts.

Electrons for in game play? What are IONs for then? How does one get electrons now?

Really ION is XPY. A POS coin with Masternodes (Prime Controllers). It all makes sense now, whew.
newbie
Activity: 41
Merit: 0
I have questions to the ION team:  If I am interested in games that use cryptocurrencies, why wouldn't I just use a game that utilizes Bitcoin? For what reason should I buy a new altcoin that was cloned from another alt and has a premine of more than 50%? How is ION interesting to anyone else but the Paycoin bagholders who got some ION for free?

Microtransactions with Bitcoin are cost prohibitive with our game reward and platform incentive model. Small amounts of satoshi can't be moved cheaply.

Why not just use Blackcoin instead? Please explain the need for yet another coin and one that is nothing more than a clone at that.

It's not a clone. There's a big difference.

One word.

Masternodes.

Or is that two words?

Ok, then why not just use Blackcoin? I keep hearing that it's the platform that is the accomplishment. So why not just focus on the platform and use of the the several thousand other altcoin a already in existence.  What does ION do that no other coin in existence not do?

The coin operates on PoS3 + Masternodes. There is no coin that works like this, it's all in the whitepaper here:

https://github.com/ionomy/ion/wiki/ION-Technical-Whitepaper

Also, I believe some of the platform features (atoms, electrons etc) may be built into the block chain in the future. So some level of centralised control (at least in the beginning) would appear to be needed for this expansion.

But, if any official ionTeam members would like to give a more complete answer, please do.

Well, Blackcoin is POS3. So wonder what is going on in these games that requires Masternodes which would warrant the new design. Or what in the games requires POS3 and not just Dash coin?

I get hat there is a difference, it's not an exact clone. But why does this need to exist? Why not use Dash or Blackcoin? Why the need to polute with another coin?

Dash is a POW coin, so it wouldnt fit the business model. I think that combining the POS and Masternodes is pretty cool, the POS won't require special hardware and the masternodes will make it possible for private transactions and near instant transactions.  Also the interactions between the electrons for in game play and Ions made it necessary for a new coin structure. Just a few thoughts.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
At a bare minimum, he was stupid enough to fall for the GAW/Garza scam

I switched off at this point.

People who get burgled, robbed, scammed, defrauded, tricked, deceived....

...these are NOT stupid people - they are victims of people with ill intent.

I am glad you have never been robbed/burgled/victimised, you don't know how it feels.

This is likely the reason for your ignorance.

I've been mugged in broad daylight once. That did not make me want to send money to random people on the intertubes. Also Garza didn't hold a gun to your head unless I'm missing something. Analogy fail.
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1042
HODL
I have questions to the ION team:  If I am interested in games that use cryptocurrencies, why wouldn't I just use a game that utilizes Bitcoin? For what reason should I buy a new altcoin that was cloned from another alt and has a premine of more than 50%? How is ION interesting to anyone else but the Paycoin bagholders who got some ION for free?

Microtransactions with Bitcoin are cost prohibitive with our game reward and platform incentive model. Small amounts of satoshi can't be moved cheaply.

Why not just use Blackcoin instead? Please explain the need for yet another coin and one that is nothing more than a clone at that.

It's not a clone. There's a big difference.

One word.

Masternodes.

Or is that two words?

Ok, then why not just use Blackcoin? I keep hearing that it's the platform that is the accomplishment. So why not just focus on the platform and use of the the several thousand other altcoin a already in existence.  What does ION do that no other coin in existence not do?

The coin operates on PoS3 + Masternodes. There is no coin that works like this, it's all in the whitepaper here:

https://github.com/ionomy/ion/wiki/ION-Technical-Whitepaper

Also, I believe some of the platform features (atoms, electrons etc) may be built into the block chain in the future. So some level of centralised control (at least in the beginning) would appear to be needed for this expansion.

But, if any official ionTeam members would like to give a more complete answer, please do.

Well, Blackcoin is POS3. So wonder what is going on in these games that requires Masternodes which would warrant the new design. Or what in the games requires POS3 and not just Dash coin?

I get hat there is a difference, it's not an exact clone. But why does this need to exist? Why not use Dash or Blackcoin? Why the need to polute with another coin?
newbie
Activity: 154
Merit: 0
I have questions to the ION team:  If I am interested in games that use cryptocurrencies, why wouldn't I just use a game that utilizes Bitcoin? For what reason should I buy a new altcoin that was cloned from another alt and has a premine of more than 50%? How is ION interesting to anyone else but the Paycoin bagholders who got some ION for free?

Microtransactions with Bitcoin are cost prohibitive with our game reward and platform incentive model. Small amounts of satoshi can't be moved cheaply.

Why not just use Blackcoin instead? Please explain the need for yet another coin and one that is nothing more than a clone at that.

It's not a clone. There's a big difference.

One word.

Masternodes.

Or is that two words?

Ok, then why not just use Blackcoin? I keep hearing that it's the platform that is the accomplishment. So why not just focus on the platform and use of the the several thousand other altcoin a already in existence.  What does ION do that no other coin in existence not do?

The coin operates on PoS3 + Masternodes. There is no coin that works like this, it's all in the whitepaper here:

https://github.com/ionomy/ion/wiki/ION-Technical-Whitepaper

Also, I believe some of the platform features (atoms, electrons etc) may be built into the block chain in the future. So some level of centralised control (at least in the beginning) would appear to be needed for this expansion.

But, if any official ionTeam members would like to give a more complete answer, please do.
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1042
HODL
I have questions to the ION team:  If I am interested in games that use cryptocurrencies, why wouldn't I just use a game that utilizes Bitcoin? For what reason should I buy a new altcoin that was cloned from another alt and has a premine of more than 50%? How is ION interesting to anyone else but the Paycoin bagholders who got some ION for free?

Microtransactions with Bitcoin are cost prohibitive with our game reward and platform incentive model. Small amounts of satoshi can't be moved cheaply.

Why not just use Blackcoin instead? Please explain the need for yet another coin and one that is nothing more than a clone at that.

It's not a clone. There's a big difference.

One word.

Masternodes.

Or is that two words?

Ok, then why not just use Blackcoin? I keep hearing that it's the platform that is the accomplishment. So why not just focus on the platform and use of the the several thousand other altcoin a already in existence.  What does ION do that no other coin in existence not do?
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
I have questions to the ION team:  If I am interested in games that use cryptocurrencies, why wouldn't I just use a game that utilizes Bitcoin? For what reason should I buy a new altcoin that was cloned from another alt and has a premine of more than 50%? How is ION interesting to anyone else but the Paycoin bagholders who got some ION for free?

Microtransactions with Bitcoin are cost prohibitive with our game reward and platform incentive model. Small amounts of satoshi can't be moved cheaply.

Why not just use Blackcoin instead? Please explain the need for yet another coin and one that is nothing more than a clone at that.

Why? Smiley It's always the same answer, it was even for bitcoin.
newbie
Activity: 154
Merit: 0
I have questions to the ION team:  If I am interested in games that use cryptocurrencies, why wouldn't I just use a game that utilizes Bitcoin? For what reason should I buy a new altcoin that was cloned from another alt and has a premine of more than 50%? How is ION interesting to anyone else but the Paycoin bagholders who got some ION for free?

Microtransactions with Bitcoin are cost prohibitive with our game reward and platform incentive model. Small amounts of satoshi can't be moved cheaply.

Why not just use Blackcoin instead? Please explain the need for yet another coin and one that is nothing more than a clone at that.

It's not a clone. There's a big difference.

One word.

Masternodes.

Or is that two words?
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1042
HODL
I have questions to the ION team:  If I am interested in games that use cryptocurrencies, why wouldn't I just use a game that utilizes Bitcoin? For what reason should I buy a new altcoin that was cloned from another alt and has a premine of more than 50%? How is ION interesting to anyone else but the Paycoin bagholders who got some ION for free?

Microtransactions with Bitcoin are cost prohibitive with our game reward and platform incentive model. Small amounts of satoshi can't be moved cheaply.

Why not just use Blackcoin instead? Please explain the need for yet another coin and one that is nothing more than a clone at that.
newbie
Activity: 154
Merit: 0
I have questions to the ION team:  If I am interested in games that use cryptocurrencies, why wouldn't I just use a game that utilizes Bitcoin? For what reason should I buy a new altcoin that was cloned from another alt and has a premine of more than 50%? How is ION interesting to anyone else but the Paycoin bagholders who got some ION for free?

Microtransactions with Bitcoin are cost prohibitive with our game reward and platform incentive model. Small amounts of satoshi can't be moved cheaply.

I heard blackcoin is pretty good for micro transactions too.

Just a rumour, mind you....

BlackCoin is awesome, it spawned the launch of 1,000 coins. i'm a big BlackCoin fan, especially of rat4, the dev.
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
OK, @boki15, I found  an article that says the motion for default judgment against GAW was granted:

http://www.helenabitcoinmining.com/2015/08/11/gaw-miners-lawsuit-ends-with-340k-default-judgement/

That's August 2015. Dead before or after that? I don't know. But looks like a defunct company.

If you think I'm trying to change the history, tell me where I've got it wrong.

@phildo I had not heard or read that Garza went to the same church as Matlack. I thought that Garza went to some megachurch in Connecticut? I started to research, but nothing yet.

You wrote, "The truth is somewhere in those details, but why find it?"

Do you really believe that the truth doesn't matter? I think it does. It's hard to sort out, but if the truth doesn't matter the we might as well all act like Garza.

I am sorry my friend, but can you tell me more details about GAW public suite that where Allen Shiners is the one who leads it? I though it would not exist if history ended on 09.2015 . You missed also the question about the money and to talk about the whole fraud that still has to be investigated in details which means, this will not reach its end probably not in 2016.

It's not like you say, he rubbed, closed company going insolvent, lol, everybody is happy as its not his fault its companies fault, correct? Smiley, you make me laugh, especially because I am not connecting ionomy to ganza like others do, but you do exactly this, you bring me in position to say, yes, ionomy has much more with ganza to do then most assume, but thats not based on their current handligs, its based on their past where current handlings do not promise at all any connection.

Now my friend, as you seem to be an expert in GAW analysis, can you tell us how much money was fruaded and how this money was splitted, what part ended on markets, if xpy had an value based on these numbers, did xpy.io profit on it at all? Lol, these are all things that were discussed pretty much Smiley, I really dont need anybody to tell me, hey everything is simple, case closed ....

Do me an favour, investigate first joshs connection to KNC and how GAW was started at all, then we can continue with historic events where many are still under question. I am curious what will you answer, some will ask you why dont you identify what your real connection to gaw/ionomy is Smiley , I dont care about it Smiley. Just dont come over with books about economies Smiley stating us what closure of an company means.
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