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I do not agree with Matlack failing, he kept a great community together. XpyBiTS were for sale on xpy.io as a crowd funding / investment for the platform, and for the present project. It went well for everybody who invested. Whoever doesn't want them anymore is free to sell them on the auction, they are called atoms now.

I heard blackcoin is pretty good for micro transactions too.

Just a rumour, mind you....

Microtransactions with Bitcoin are cost prohibitive with our game reward and platform incentive model. Small amounts of satoshi can't be moved cheaply.

I think the ones trying to brainwash people here are those trying to solicit $1000000 in funds from the public whilst behind closed doors claiming that they don't have to offer any assurances and can lie through their teeth (company registration).

As someone who works tirelessly to bring new people into crypto and do my bit to help this go mainstream I have to say I feel it is an ethical and moral obligation to save people from potential scams and to warn people when it seems that they're not aware of all the risks when they consider investing in a team or project.

If that makes me "Self appointed Internet Police" or whatever you want to call it, then fine :-)

Makes sense as a bottom line: It's never a good idea to invest in something or someone you don't trust.

It still seems like a big difference if Matlack was an employee and scammer or an investor who got taken. Maybe @ionomy can give some answers about that?

@phildo wrote:

@ionomy can you answer some of this? Did Matlack fail in whatever they were doing before? What are xpybits? Did it go as planned for the people who bought them? If Matlack failed in his previous company, what's to make anyone think he'd stick around when his next company fails?

So you are saying ION / Ionomy is a scam? In your opinion or this is a fact?

You are entitled to come to your own conclusion of course but the premise that you should try to brainwash everyone else with your own opinion leaves me bewildered.

Concerned citizen? Or Self appointed Internet Police person trying to "save" people from their own stupidity?

As always, never invest in anything that doesn't feel safe or is outside of your comfort zone. Only invest what you can afford to lose - not a penny more. All crypto projects are EXTREMELY high risk. If in doubt, step back and wait a few months and review if need be, or just move on.

So there isn't actually a registered business yet and that's why y'all were unable to provide evidence that there actually was a legal entity?

Cool.

Two VERY different scenarios.

People that got scammed by GAW did so with evidence that it was a scam. Now, the person that had their house robbed was told by their neighbor that hey had proof their house was going to be robbed and chose to ignore it...that's stupidity.

Stop playing the victim.

The truth matters in some things, but this particular truth is not worth the hassle of finding.

i would not invest in a coin run by someone involved in the gaw/paycoin scam. I would not invest in a coin by someone who lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in GAW when there were giant red flags as to how uch of a scam it was. Matlack is one or the other. The truth might matter for some, but not for me when it comes to investing in his next project, because whatever the truth is, the result is the same for me, stay away.

Hi guys, long weekend. Had some family stuff to deal with, getting back to it today.

As to guy behind the Ionomy handle. I'm Richard Nelson, support director for ionomy.

We'll try and work through the thread today and get some of the more outstanding questions resolved.

The business registration is still stuck in government limbo, we're working with them and our local contact to get it sorted.

If you get mugged walking down the street, you are innocent. If you lose your money because you bought a deed to the brooklyn bridge from some guy in a bar, you are an idiot. People that lost money to GAW are much closer to the latter.

the difference between me and other people who have been robbed, and you and team xpy etc is that we have learned from our mistakes and tried to get better in the future.

i did not say that everyone who gets scammed is an idiot, I am saying that people that fell for THIS particular scam as hard as THESE particular people did AND spent another year on various projects to "fix" the coin that accomplished nothing are either idiots or in on the scam.

OK, @boki15, I found  an article that says the motion for default judgment against GAW was granted:

http://www.helenabitcoinmining.com/2015/08/11/gaw-miners-lawsuit-ends-with-340k-default-judgement/

That's August 2015. Dead before or after that? I don't know. But looks like a defunct company.

If you think I'm trying to change the history, tell me where I've got it wrong.

@phildo I had not heard or read that Garza went to the same church as Matlack. I thought that Garza went to some megachurch in Connecticut? I started to research, but nothing yet.

You wrote, "The truth is somewhere in those details, but why find it?"

Do you really believe that the truth doesn't matter? I think it does. It's hard to sort out, but if the truth doesn't matter the we might as well all act like Garza.

I switched off at this point.

People who get burgled, robbed, scammed, defrauded, tricked, deceived....

...these are NOT stupid people - they are victims of people with ill intent.

I am glad you have never been robbed/burgled/victimised, you don't know how it feels.

This is likely the reason for your ignorance.

Either you know very well the history and try to change it or you dont know a lot and try to be smarter than others, both is bad, do you agree, why did you register to this forum, only because of GAW thread to write about it and be smarter than all others . I dont care about 1 or 6 stars, one stars come mostly to not hijack their main account.

However, if you dont understand something, its always better to write an question, not an statement. Ok, you are now the judge, you claim on the word closed with an date, which you should actually post if you are so strict to details , thats funny, it really is.

If you are smart you might answer me if it is over before there is an court decision or after? I really would like to use this opportunity to ask you, which came first, an egg or an chicken? You are probably one of these people who for sure know the answer on this one too, can you help me to find it out?

Finally, you seem really not to understand what you talk about, I will not argue with you, you are free to have your opinion , like everybody else.

At a bare minimum, he was stupid enough to fall for the GAW/Garza scam. That leads me to question how he is smart enough to do many things, but running a crypto currency/company involved in crypto is near the top of the list of "last things I would trust Matalack to do."

Remember what the GAW scam entailed, people bought miners that very obviously didn't exist (hashlets), that did things that were very obviously impossible (boosts), then Garza ran out of coins/pocketed enough to end that version of the ponzi so they started mining completely fictional Hashpoints. Those were traded in for paycoins, which were "valued" at $4 per coin. That $4 came from "the miners that don't exist should have mined $4 dollars worth of BTC if they were paying out at the imaginary rate we made up from the fake altcoin mining pools, so instead of pretending to give you $4 worth of BTC I will give you 400 hashpoints that you can exchange for 1 xpy." Then to top that all off he promised to buy those xpy for $20 each.

That's actually what happened, so even if he was an innocent in the ordeal, he's dumb as a rock.

Now to other shit, did you know that Garza and Matalack were members of the same Texas megachurch before GAW miners started? Just an interesting tidbit to point out while figuring out whether or not his hands are clean.

Now, let's move on to after GAW "died." They split up into several different teams, all involving former employees and other people that have been scammed. I don't recall which one Matalack was part of, but either way, what did any of them accomplish? Again, none of this has made enough sense for me to even think of looking into the details, so I can't specifically tell you which team ripped people off explicitly, and which team just "failed," but the 2nd to last tweet from the paycoin foundation is about people buying xpybits (again, not sure what exactly they do,  since all the info is on a site that they shut down, but since that whole team has moved onto this project, I'm sure it didn't go well/as planned for the people that bought these xpybits.)

Also, the actual last tweet is warning of a phishing attempt (cool security.)

I am not going to waste my time reading though all the word salad that all these teams of people post every time their on a new project because it doesn't make sense at all, even on a basic level. The truth is somewhere in those details, but why find it? It's possible that they are 100% scumbags who were in on it from the beginning and continued to rob people for another year. It's possible that they are naive idiots who got robbed by Garza and then spent a year failing at trying to fix it. It's probably somewhere in the middle, but I have seen nothing to show that it's not somewhere in between there, or resembling anything near competence or a good investment.

They just ensured that this coin goes no further than the 200 supporters it has now. I find it funny that they think people are just supposed to trust them, especially with their track record.

@phildo ah, so the the mrcoins guy is their cheerleader, got it.

What was Matlack's role in GAW? I found an article that linked to a video in which he says he is the President and Chairman of the Paycoin Foundation. He said its purpose was to advocate for the investor base, to do what's positive for the coin and the community and focus on the "charity aspect." I don't really know what that means. But that wasn't GAW was it?

Here's the video link for reference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toYbyLd6v5s

I don't have time to watch the whole thing but the quote comes about 1:45.

So was he an employee of GAW?

@boki15 you said

"It's still going on since 2014, pretty long isnt it?"

Do you mean the GAW scam is still going on? I thought the company shut down. I was just reading that they were sued and they didn't even show up to court. Obviously Paycoin (XPY) still exists and is being traded. But it looks like a dead coin — kind of a typical altcoin. Besides its bad history (and plenty of alts have bad history), it looks like the result of a scam. But is it still really a scam? Seems like no one is buying it. Volume is dead. Not a good scam if it's a scam.

And ION is not anything. They say it doesn't even exist yet. No genesis block mined yet.

I've never head of neucoin, i don't frequent this area because most of these coins seem useless to me, especially to "invest" in.

The reason there are so many posts here is because of the people involved.

We have the known idiot/scammers from GAW involved, so people following the GAW saga became aware, and then the people who have been saying that the GAW-people are idiots/scammers for years came over here to make sure any people who weren't aware of the GAW shenanigans were aware.

The reason the thread blew up is because one of the head cheerleaders of the GAW scam came along to dispute what were are saying and try to distract people with nonsense, and we are tired of his shit and won't let it stand.

It's one thing to lose money on some random altcoin pump and dump, but to do with known idiots/scammers like these is something special. Just want to make sure people are aware of who they are dealing with, and I refuse to let someone who i know only as a cheerleader for GAW to have the last word with horseshit that he was spewing here.

cross post from GAW thread. treat everything same as garza. you are entitled to no information & are lowly muggles + escrow is impossible due to trust issues

Long text, I'll reply long too . You are wrong my friend .To answer your question about neucoin and other coins, even these that this same team started, people did not care a lot because they did not know who it is and it is pretty fair that everybody gets an chance, even if its just an scam, its an chance. From the point of ideology, I would close altcoin thread, it's not about Ganza, it's about all scammers and to be honest, ganza is by far not the smartest of them.

Now you ask why people get so emotonalised regarding this troops, thats because it did not happen yesterday like someone would assume from your words. It's still going on since 2014, pretty long isnt it?

And if you speak about cryptocommunity, then nobody will help you if he cant, take as example KNC case and swedish authorities not carrying a lot about it as there were already dropped cases, by law, lulz wake up, yes, there are much more scammers outside, lets continue with KNC, they took money, built up an mining center with these money and got billions as investment from other companies which say "Wow, KNC is such an success", lol. Nobody of bitcointalk is harrasing KNC or KNC staff like they did with Ganza and gawtards, thats because Mr Hitler Cole is way smarter than Josh, that's why he even spends this money and gets millions for that, what does cryptocommunity do??? Lol, nothing! Nobody writes reports and calls media like it was an case with Ganza and here not GAWtards lost their money, but good old people holding bitcoins. BTW, Josh only started this f*king scam because he was scammed by KNC. Whoever is an fighter , you should have fought KNC at the right time in the same way, then Joshy would not scam everybody. Everything can be flipped, like this story too.

So please keep clear in your head, even if you would like finally these people to have success, then they should finally do it right, not we stopping asking these questions. Better go and fight KNC, these scammers will harm BTC in general more than all altcoins together, but when its too late, its too late. I assume its still not too late because there are still many waiting for an decision from court. Here you guys can really help, all this Ganza thing is done, we know more about them then themself.