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legendary
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After all the shenanigans
Mr 650 has not been active for over a week
Freiexchange is the first exchange in terms of volume


Another Fake start or maybe he’s busy? 


He’s legit but probably blew his lunch money.  Maybe next month he’ll drop another grand.  Still better than nothing.  Let’s be positive here.  One selfless investor is better than none. 
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After all the shenanigans
Mr 650 has not been active for over a week
Freiexchange is the first exchange in terms of volume


Another Fake start or maybe he’s busy? 
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After all the shenanigans
Mr 650 has not been active for over a week
Freiexchange is the first exchange in terms of volume
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Oh scissor me timbers mr. slave I was talking about the Apple ][ not too many posts ago.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-mining-on-an-apple-ii-computer-highly-impractical-other-devices-poll-5175622
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Vlad's wish coming true. You know what I enjoy the most about being outside the know - being underestimated.

It's self-validation you might never know if you were TOLD the truth. Either way, good work IXC.

https://www.coindesk.com/japanese-financial-giant-mufg-to-launch-digital-currency-in-2020

It's partner firm in this JV:
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The firm is the parent company of job-seekers' site Indeed and employer review site Glassdoor.

Suppose you spys know I do just that for a living. Glassdoors. Again, jokes on those who think that freaks me out. It's only logical that everything I do is known. But you can't hack my brain Wink

Back to this Japanese banking/lender "coin/token"...

Steemit called it J-Coin in 2017. And a bridge to JPM Coin the private Ethereum network of JP Morgan currency. But I do think the truth is in Y! GeoCities, FB, RippleNet, and all these private or proto/study networks Smiley

Some archived as such. A "Study" on GitHub.

Enjoy whatever it is you gain from $ value. It's coming via the tandem existence of the one yen value J-Coin/MUFG Coin and the actual yen. Japanese cash. A 70% cash society as of 2017 per steemit.

You can find those sources yourselves. I can't prove anything you already know. That's why I laugh at your attempts to mock when I was wrong. Like literally makes me laugh.
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Just pointing out the obvious but bitcointalk satoshi said Beta was over when he renamed his RC candidate and publicly available SVN from 0.3 (even releasing 0.3.0 RC2 to fix laszlo related version problems for a guy named davidonpda) - to 1.3 calling it the third release. 0.1, 0.2, 1.3 are the only releases he counted officially as "satoshi" from bitcointalk to the point of mid 2010.

And then in 2019 when core-0.8.6.0 was released on develCuy's maintained github for testing there's a README_windows.txt file that I posted above with:

Code:
Bitcoin 0.8.5-1 BETA

Copyright (c) 2009-2013 Bitcoin and I0coin Developers
Distributed under the MIT/X11 software license, see the accompanying
file COPYING or http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php.
This product includes software developed by the OpenSSL Project for use in
the OpenSSL Toolkit (http://www.openssl.org/).  This product includes
cryptographic software written by Eric Young ([email protected]).


Intro
-----
Bitcoin is a free open source peer-to-peer electronic cash system that is
completely decentralized, without the need for a central server or trusted
parties.  Users hold the crypto keys to their own money and transact directly
with each other, with the help of a P2P network to check for double-spending.


Setup
-----
Unpack the files into a directory and run bitcoin-qt.exe.

Bitcoin-Qt is the original Bitcoin client and it builds the backbone of the network.
However, it downloads and stores the entire history of Bitcoin transactions;
depending on the speed of your computer and network connection, the synchronization
process can take anywhere from a few hours to a day or more.

See the bitcoin wiki at:
  https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Main_Page
for more help and information.

en.bitcoin.it has a lot of different and relevant info you don't hear described quite the same as other places like Wikipedia, bitcoinwiki.org, github, github wikis. It's just supplemental info that matters to help you envision the network. I think that's what the core of it all is. "satoshi" from bitcointalk said since 2007 he spent the most time designing the network whereas the code itself and all the different features he planned and placed in code were more generalized so nodes would accept them even if not correctly or specifically defined... yet. Maybe 12 years later they're closer.

How do yo go back "BETA" or "Beta"? Well, it is a bitcoin-qt.exe setup not the same stuff satoshi sirius lazslo and others discussed back in the 2009/2010 suggestions topic. But I will mention there is now a wxWidgets port of the Qt library called wxQt. So perhaps functionality while merge through software and the protocol is exactly where it needs to be as far as current functionality and abstraction goes.

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wxQt: wxQt is a port of wxWidgets using Qt libraries. It requires Qt 5 or later.
From: https://www.wxwidgets.org/about/

I like that in April 2020 wxWidgets updated their stable release after a very long - years long - lack of stable updates. I also like they have a fuller featured development release. Don't worry about crypto software updates. It's probably already in the works, even if not directly as a new "Ixcoin or any coin wallet" etc. Just looks at the changes made that connected to the Bitcoin mainnet when satoshi gave access to "The Mad Hatter/madhatter2 at SF" (perhaps that's why the satoshi_2 account appears in the original Bitcoin SF repository or what he called "SVN").

I know devcoin-qt.exe (32-bit version for windows, 0.8.5.1-(some string I don't know off top of my head)-beta) is a Satoshi version client that uses Qt version 5.2, as do all of my ancient merge mined original coin wallets (IXC, I0C... I don't have NMC prob my mistake but whatever).

So everything should crossover at some point. Maybe missing "bitcoins" are from Mark Karpeles QBitcoin:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/QBitcoin

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There would be a command line switch at runtime to tell it to run without UI.  All it needs to do is not create the main window.  A simplistic way would be to disable "pframeMain->Show" and "ptaskbaricon->Show" in ui.cpp.  The network threads don't care that the UI isn't there.  The only other UI is a message box in CheckDiskSpace if it runs out of disk space.

Then a separate command line utility to communicate with it to do things.  Not sure what it should be named.

"natural deflation"... I like that name for it.  Yes, there will be natural deflation due to payment mistakes and lost data.  Coin creation will eventually get slow enough that it is exceeded by natural deflation and we'll have net deflation.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62
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For sidechain fans:

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Because a block can only reference one previous block, it is impossible for two forked chains to merge.

It's possible to use the block chain algorithm for non-financial purposes: see Alternative chain.

From (the Italian ccTLD or Internet TLD bitcoin "wiki"): https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_chain

As for the https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Alternative_chain using the same algos as Bitcoin ended up adopting after its release (remember no cryptography at first):

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An alternative chain is a system using the block chain algorithm to achieve distributed consensus on a particular topic. Alternative chains may share miners with a parent network such as Bitcoin's; this is called merged mining. Alternative chains have been suggested as ways to implement DNS, P2P currency exchanges, SSL certificate authorities, timestamping, file storage and voting systems.

In fact one of the first places I say anything related to SHA 256 was in Jeff Garzik's 2010 released CPU Miner (or SHA-256, or sha256 whatever you prefer I'm no formatting expert but I know capitals matter on some older computers, OS's, and interpretation so yeah - like when I see code in all caps I think hey maybe that was written on an Apple ][ or Apple II+ (or Plus) and heck that's the computer that inspired the later founder of E*Trade to create its parent in 1982, TradePlus. But that's besides the point.

I know BitcoinMiner was extant before that in public releases, but you never know what it planned behind closed doors. Sometimes a purposeful staged hack or malfunction/error of the Bitcoin protocol and its software or network is a clever way to abstract and secure what the core idea or master plan was all along. Timechain became block chain to Satoshi, but I don't recall him ever using blockchain. And that matters when you're using things that are text based in their source code and operation, like wxWidgets, the first UI for Bitcoin's first (Windows and publicly distributed) 'wallet'.

Even lazslo's client speeding up hashrate in some unknown mod of 0.2 or possibly a 0.3 or 0.3.0 RC1 or RC 2 and builds for mac osx changed the game. There's many bitcoin txns on blocks out there and there's plenty of temporary databases (such as BDB database/log.* files) that have been moved or even deleted admittedly by satoshi from this forum as well as instructed to others as a way for people to get back into their wallets after running laszlo's mystery client in early to mid 2010.

You all know this. You were there.

So yes maybe the non-financial purposes of our merge mined alt chains and their common algorithm to Bitcoin protocol and source code are because our chains do things that are definitely financially valuable without directly admitting it yet. But merge mining provides security right? Well if a fork cannot "merge" according to one wiki perhaps that wiki can be proven wrong or maybe that wiki's right and our alternative merge mined coins are in fact still tied to the main Bitcoin protocol and chain and the proof is in whatever temporary Berkeley DB log.* files from the database whenever "Satoshi Nakamoto" or just bitcointalk "satoshi" privately stored info when protocol was changed in his SVN albeit then being public as "RC" leading up to his official releases after 0.1. Say Finney was the first to help with 0.1 over email. sirius helped with 0.2 before its release per credits. And a lot of people tinkered and even added makefiles for fbsd (Free BSD) and Mac OSX running on wxWidgets which is cross platform anyhow as well as compiling from the source and running in terminal (I believe The Mad Hattar did so for FreeBSD but he compiled and ran it from terminal which I am assuming is the one from 2009-2010 on Mac OSX.

Anyway crazy times. Even a mobile version exists in all likelyhood as one suggestion from an epic thread inferred could be done right around the time Satoshi was talking about iPhone (see last link at bottom) and if they would allow a front end version to run on an app or even a website for mobile. Well I know DVCs got trollkeep and that happens to have a WAP2 version of its smf (https://trollkeep.com/smf/index.php?wap2), and I also believe they were discussing that the .zip downloads satoshi was linking from these very forums to the dl page would've been possible (because compression) to make into a mobile type version of Bitcoin - whatever it was at that 0.2/0.3 0.3.0 RC2 and finally changed to 1.3 (the third release, first out of beta) by mid 2010.

And in case satoshi was wondering about Apple approving of a Bitcoin client or something in its protocol as an app time has told that through the third party apps it approved to the iOS app store but also, core-0.8.6.0 released for devcoin on its official github has that approval in one way or another once you download it and open the folder core-0.8.6.0 for its source code as well as go to core-0.8.6.0 > share > certs and find this .pem extension file "BitcoinFoundation_Apple_Cert.pem" - here is its text:

Code:
Bag Attributes
    friendlyName: Developer ID Application: BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC., THE
    localKeyID: 6B 9C 6C A8 A5 73 70 70 E2 57 A3 49 D8 62 FB 97 C7 A5 5D 5E
subject=/UID=PBV4GLS9J4/CN=Developer ID Application: BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC., THE/OU=PBV4GLS9J4/O=BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC., THE/C=US
issuer=/CN=Developer ID Certification Authority/OU=Apple Certification Authority/O=Apple Inc./C=US
-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----
MIIFhzCCBG+gAwIBAgIIJ0r1rumyfZAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQAweTEtMCsGA1UE
AwwkRGV2ZWxvcGVyIElEIENlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gQXV0aG9yaXR5MSYwJAYDVQQL
DB1BcHBsZSBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIEF1dGhvcml0eTETMBEGA1UECgwKQXBwbGUg
SW5jLjELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMwHhcNMTMwMTEwMjIzOTAxWhcNMTgwMTExMjIzOTAx
WjCBqDEaMBgGCgmSJomT8ixkAQEMClBCVjRHTFM5SjQxQDA+BgNVBAMMN0RldmVs
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DQEBCwUAA4IBAQAfJ0BjID/1dS2aEeVyhAzPzCBjG8vm0gDf+/qfwRn3+yWeL9vS
nMdbilwM48IyQWTagjGGcojbsAd/vE4N7NhQyHInoCllNoeor1I5xx+blTaGRBK+
dDhJbbdlGCjsLnH/BczGZi5fyEJds9lUIrp1hJidRcUKO76qb/9gc6qNZpl1vH5k
lDUuJYt7YhAs+L6rTXDyqcK9maeQr0gaOPsRRAQLLwiQCorPeMTUNsbVMdMwZYJs
R+PxiAnk+nyi7rfiFvPoASAYUuI6OzYL/Fa6QU4/gYyPgic944QYVkaQBnc0vEP1
nXq6LGKwgVGcqJnkr/E2kui5gJoV5C3qll3e
-----END CERTIFICATE-----

Same kinda things you see all over web sites/pages with cert auths.

Even winbase.h is in some of the code I saw for a crypto (possibly early bitcoin) somewhere. And it's AddAtoms function is right in the original pre and post public release 2009-Feb 14, 2010 versions of Bitcoin as posted on github to see here:

So why doesn't anyone at least pointer at this as a possible bookmark to a temporary place where a log.* file was made, a crash or forced shutdown occurred, and multiple versions unnamed and possibly later named but on the new "bitcoin2" or "irc.lfnet.org" (laslo's irc dedicated server) - or any other place - existed quietly long before publicly announced. Did we hear about bitcoin or see evidence in timestamps of its 2007 existence? No. Did satoshi say he began its design and some code in 2007 on bitcointalk? Yes.

Seeing is believing but so is logical reason.

If I said anything about a link to bitcointalk and 2009-2010 satoshi bitcointalk account posts its in here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-few-suggestions-12

On a SIDE note, I'd like to add you really should go to devcoin/core github and download the 0.8.6.0 pre-release code and explore. It's not just devcoin/bitcoin in there but some of satoshi's original wxWidgets features as well as i0coin all over the place. One such place is in the "README_windows.txt" file for the folder called "core-0.8.6.0":

Code:
Bitcoin 0.8.5-1 BETA

Copyright (c) 2009-2013 Bitcoin and I0coin Developers
Distributed under the MIT/X11 software license, see the accompanying
file COPYING or http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php.
This product includes software developed by the OpenSSL Project for use in
the OpenSSL Toolkit (http://www.openssl.org/).  This product includes
cryptographic software written by Eric Young ([email protected]).


Intro
-----
Bitcoin is a free open source peer-to-peer electronic cash system that is
completely decentralized, without the need for a central server or trusted
parties.  Users hold the crypto keys to their own money and transact directly
with each other, with the help of a P2P network to check for double-spending.


Setup
-----
Unpack the files into a directory and run bitcoin-qt.exe.

Bitcoin-Qt is the original Bitcoin client and it builds the backbone of the network.
However, it downloads and stores the entire history of Bitcoin transactions;
depending on the speed of your computer and network connection, the synchronization
process can take anywhere from a few hours to a day or more.

See the bitcoin wiki at:
  https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Main_Page
for more help and information.

Still haven't seen Ixcoin anywhere but I have seen Ix in places that I have to figure out where in some bitcoin source code from wayback. Renaming doesn't mean new coin. At least by protocol. Block chain or blockchain is stored in many DB, maybe some online, public, maybe some private, online, or stored offline. And may just on a node somewhere that hasn't been read properly but with a persistent signal that nodes will recognize one day and follow to create the master chain. Or whatever the core values satoshi's vision meant to keep forever. 0.1 is set in stone right? Well, then I guess its good other merge mined chains (Alternate chains) are there to help it evolve.
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Oh and since this is the Original Bitcoin sidechain thread can we just discuss that this is the plan all along?

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/5253d1ab77fab1995ede03fb934edd67f1359ba8#diff-623e3fd6da1a45222eeec71496747b31R509

lmao

so many strings out there.

Wait, are you saying Satoshi had something to do with IXC?   Grin


Not even sure "satoshi at vistomail" even released pre-release/pre-bitcoin himself in November 2008. I mean if I got a proxy email and released parts of code on an email list maybe I got some of that code I released, tweaked or changed a few words, and (this is not a slam just logical) I actually got that code from some place I worked at or had friends/gulp "hacked" (doubt that).

I mean satoshi@vistomail and satoshin@gmx are like saying madhattar and The Mad Hattar that worked on the 0.2 and 0.3 beta builds via bitcointalk correspondence and satoshi the bitcointalk account giving "The Mad Hatter" (SF as madhattar2) access to editing the SVN and making his own makefiles for different OS's.

I know you follow me because if I can pick up on this you guys hanging around bitcointalk (a legendary place of course) admits that.
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Oh and since this is the Original Bitcoin sidechain thread can we just discuss that this is the plan all along?

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/5253d1ab77fab1995ede03fb934edd67f1359ba8#diff-623e3fd6da1a45222eeec71496747b31R509

lmao

so many strings out there.

Wait, are you saying Satoshi had something to do with IXC?   Grin


Did Isaac Newton use anagrams?
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Don't worry about online haters Vlad. Even thought you're a true jerk*ss I still will always respect you for helping me find IXC.

Thanks, Dan, and you’re right that I can be a real jerk.  Here’s 9 merits for your support and honesty and if you provide an ixc addy I’ll send you 9 IX.  Enough to retire on soon.   Grin


No IXC necessary. We're already linked on some ledger that will be realized by more nodes soon enough. Store and forward the kindness to me by being civil. People behind these keyboards are maturing yet human at the same time. =P
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Don't worry about online haters Vlad. Even thought you're a true jerk*ss I still will always respect you for helping me find IXC.

Thanks, Dan, and you’re right that I can be a real jerk.  Here’s 9 merits for your support and honesty and if you provide an ixc addy I’ll send you 9 IX.  Enough to retire on soon.   Grin
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Oh and since this is the Original Bitcoin sidechain thread can we just discuss that this is the plan all along?

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/5253d1ab77fab1995ede03fb934edd67f1359ba8#diff-623e3fd6da1a45222eeec71496747b31R509

lmao

so many strings out there.

Wait, are you saying Satoshi had something to do with IXC?   Grin
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Don't worry about online haters Vlad. Even thought you're a true jerk*ss I still will always respect you for helping me find IXC.

Vlad thanks you and smiles upon your efforts that have gone unrewarded. 

Soon. 
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Oh and since this is the Original Bitcoin sidechain thread can we just discuss that this is the plan all along?

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/5253d1ab77fab1995ede03fb934edd67f1359ba8#diff-623e3fd6da1a45222eeec71496747b31R509

lmao

so many strings out there.
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Don't worry about online haters Vlad. Even thought you're a true jerk*ss I still will always respect you for helping me find IXC.
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miningfund: 495141 IXC

Mr 650 is really making the difference

The nulldata fund is now the 107th in the rich list

Nice, we finally have someone investing in IXC. 
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miningfund: 495141 IXC

Mr 650 is really making the difference

The nulldata fund is now the 107th in the rich list
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Mr 650, you wanna buy OTC, let me know.  I Dropped it to 1500 sat, but the rest is in cold storage and 75 confirmations to sell is ridiculous. 
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How many years have you gone wearing torn clothes and fed your kids pate with bread and ramen so you could get enough money and coin together to pay greedy, lazy mercenary devs and raise enough money to complete the premine which you’re now getting? 


Thats not the right way to start the discussion. Hes never called me either, never bothered to elaborate on nuances of his ramen diet, which I think is because he was busy counting money he swindled from guys who own ur pigeon ass. U parade as a propagandist of equality through sacrifice of your self ascendancy for something that gives u the hope in the light at the end of the tunnel. The guy u are talking to is the one who tends that light!

Gash, is your prince of darkness here to claim his XIC?  Take it.  Accelerate the programme. 

Light Bearer may refer to: Lucifer, called 'Light Bearer', as the Latin word lucifer meant "light-bringing" Luciferase, a generic term for the class of oxidative enzymes used in bioluminescence.

Yaaaaay, he’s finally here to claim his XIC.  Man it took him a long time. 

Ang gash, I haven’t self ascended, never once claimed so - maybe you’re really left out of the important stuff.  I didn’t choose coins like ixc or btx by accident nor by sheer logic or research. 

So if by God’d will, I should ascend it will definitely not be by my power nor any earthly force. 

So he answered and said to me: “This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ Says the LORD of hosts.

See?!??
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Archimedes, catacata the light bearer, network attacks are coming and people will lose their coins.  Your keys your coins is false propaganda.  I’ve mentioned it numerous times but went ignored.  Add checkpoints to every block, change algo if needed, etc, but be prepared for mass network attacks. 

You won’t scapegoat me you honest, Christians, you. 
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