Topic: [ANN] NeuCoin - Easy to use, free to try, focused on micropayments - Official - page 138. (Read 196221 times)

From the Pre Sale site:

"Presale postponed - Stay tuned

Our rollout revealed a way to buy NeuCoins without accepting the Terms & Conditions.

Legal advised us to wait until this has been resolved. To give everyone a fair chance to start at the same time, we will communicate a new start time shortly on our forum, blog, twitter and email."

Interesting....

Launch indefinitely postponed.

The Natives are restless:  http://forum.neucoin.org/t/presale-timeline/152/70

Hilarious.  Technology experts eh?

Not to mention the presale timeperiod has come and gone, essentially making it look like a scam to begin with.
Another XPY lookalike failure = could be?

I would agree completely.   

This claim on the homepage of neucoin.org:


...is at best delusional and at worst is just a flat out lie.

I don't see a single noteworthy person in the "cryptocommunity" commenting
on this "whitepaper".  Are we to believe that it is so brilliant that everyone
is sitting shocked in silence?

What exactly is this "improved security"?

The idea of a period where coins cannot stake is not new --
for example NXT does that as well.  But at least NXT is
honest enough to admit in their whitepaper that
such attacks are possible.

Presale is about 1/2 hour late and still no button on the neucoin.org website? Am I missing a time zone diff or something?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/33ntyl/this_is_probably_why_jackson_palmer_dogecoin/cqmvkwm

It's all speculative, everything is and in spite of Gekko's cries for compliance to the "rules" we all know that even when the rules are followed, and then broken, there's often no real repercussions. Except to those who played and lost. And the odd sacrificial goat that is likely rewarded for for their show of loyalty by doing the time for the other's crimes. Happens all the time.

I got lucky getting my hands on some BTC recently simply by eating some food in front of a camera. Why not parlay that .4BTC into 10,000 NeuCoin? If it's real in a year's time that interest has compounded to 20,000 NC's or even to 50K NC's over the next 5yrs. Even if the price is only half of what I paid for them I would still be ahead.

I don't need to know the rules to gambling with my money. Sure it helps but luck plays just as big a part of any investment as does analytic and rule of law. Who's to say which gives one the better edge? All I do know is that for this presale it only takes a minimum 0.01 0.1 BTC to place your bet.  

hi Dan,

What would you say are the main innovations of NeuCoin?

Jonald

Hi Dan,

We've seen the resumes.  That was called "social proof" when I was trained in Boiler rooms in the late 80's.

Here's the list (again) of what we have not seen:

The HOLDINGS of each of those names you list.
Salaries of the people working for you.
Audited financials for the "long time you and the team have been working on this"
Forecasts of your expenses and revenues for the coming few years.

And Jesus Christ, the Anonymous Seychelles Shell company?  You keep crowing about transparency, and nobody mentioned this until I asked.  And you are still hiding behind it because you are violating blue sky laws all over the planet by offering investments without any of the information I listed above.

You can't be transparent and hide behind an off-shore holding company at the same time.

You are a criminal all over the world, but nobody will know because of your secret Seychelles Holding Company.  Right?

Your 1% won't lose any money.  They are in at a 1/4 penny.  Founders won't lose cause they are in at a half penny.  The greater fools will be sending all that money to your anonymous Seychelles Bitcoin account in an hour.

As usual, you guys are laughing.

There is no source code.
No wallets.
None of your Angels have admitted investing in this.

You are dodgy man.  The Sechelles Holding Company is the smoking gun that you are hiding a lot more than your financial reports.

Do you even have a CFO that told you any of this?

Cheers,

Gekko

 
Probably the biggest irony is that NeuCoin might very well end up being a really successful crypto-currency model.

The venture capitalists have clearly determined that crypto-currency is now a money business.



In the dystopian future of increasingly diminishing net neutrality you will have to pay for content using your blue squirrel micro payment tokens!   
 

^

What about answering the important questions Dan? (You've been going over the thread I assume)
Another long post with zero information besides a list of early investors, really 

hi gecko (and malatesta and johnny and etc)
this is dan kaufman, one of neucoin's founders.
here is my linkedin: https://fr.linkedin.com/in/kaufmandaniel
here is my facebook: https://www.facebook.com/daniel.kaufman.146
my team and i have been working very hard on neucoin for a very long time.
maybe you think our project will fail. that’s fine.
if it fails you can pat yourself on the back for trashing it and cursing it with so much gusto before it launched.
if instead it's a big success you'll try to forget how wrong you were. or you’ll “laugh at” or curse the “idiots” who supported it.  i really don’t know.
but there is zero chance you're going to be proven right that it was a scam.
and come on, you guys aren’t dumb, you already know this.
or you know it if you’ve looked at the team’s bios and our angel investors.
why do you think our angel investors decided to buy neucoin with long-term sale restrictions?
before you start barking out “they’re fools! they’re idiots! they’re in on the scam! they don’t exist!” look around you at the denizens here on this forum with the loudest voices. do you even know who they are? what exactly have they accomplished? what makes you think that they are so smart or so trustworthy?
meanwhile, the reasons our angel investors decided to invest in neucoin are that they personally know and trust the team, they respect our track records, and they believe in our vision for neucoin.

NeuCoin Team
Daniel Kaufman, Co-Founder, Strategy
Serial entrepreneur for 22 years, active investor in technology ventures and real estate. Magna cum laude BA in Political Economy from Williams College, awarded the Sloan Fellowship in Political Economy and named the "Class of 1960" Economics Scholar. Dan founded:

• Dash, Time Magazine’s “Internet’s Best Shopping Tool” in 1999 and raised $51 million
  
• DirectRevenue, an online contextual advertising company that partnered with music and gaming companies to acquire a user base of 150 million and reached $40 million of annual revenue
  
  • Jango, a top 5 US Internet radio service with over 20 million registered users and 8 million monthly listeners
    
  • Cable TV networks in Azerbaijan and Armenia, a management consulting company specializing in digital content and communications, a real estate portfolio of over 1,000 apartments, and many others.

Johan Sandstrom, Co-Founder, Marketing and Communications
19 years of experience as an entrepreneur and creative executive in online media, marketing and entertainment. Summa cum laude BA in Political Science from Stockholm University. Co-founder (with Dan) and CMO of Jango. Co-founder and EVP of Spray Network, a top 5 European portal, employing 700 people in nine countries, and sold to Lycos Europe for $572 million. Film producing credits include Kill Your Darlings, starring Alexander Skarsgard and John Savage, selected for Tribeca Film Festival and distributed by Sony Pictures.
Ophélie Pubellier, Co-Founder, Technology

Ophélie discovered and started mining Bitcoin back in 2011. As an executive and consultant, she has helped several French tech companies with software development, system architecture and network engineering, including Iliad, a leading French telco group and Typhon and Stockho Hosting, two hosting and outsourcing services groups. Ophélie graduated from 42 and EPITECH, a top European Computer Science school.
 
Scott Walker, Co-Founder, Business Development and Marketing
An entrepreneur and investor in tech, media and advertising for 20 years, Scott made early investments in Bitcoin mining operations with partner Brock Pierce. Also a founding partner of Crypto Currency Partners, with investments including Kraken, BitFury, Xapo, Bitgo, Ethereum. Scott co-founded:

• New Motion, Inc, a mobile entertainment company where Scott also served as CEO, which was eventually merged with Traffix, Inc in 2007, and culminated in a combined public entity known as Atrinsic (NASDAQ: ATRN), with over 200 employees and revenues of over $130MM per year
  
• Mindset Interactive, an advertising software company which was sold to BroadSpring in 2004, Inc after having achieved over $10MM in annual revenue.
  
  • Net Page Communications, an ISP which was sold to Net Guard Technologies in 1997

Sandrine Ayral, Head of Community
Previously a member of Coinbase remote team, covering news related to Bitcoin on TechCrunch and Rude Baguette. Business development for a Parisian startup, EasyLife Pack, part of the founding team of TheFamily, a startup accelerator, worked for a Parisian VC fund, advised over 10+ startups with their business development and fundraising strategies at Le Camping, another accelerator. Graduated from ESSEC, a top French Business School with a specialization in Corporate Finance.

Mark Bridges, Business Development and Marketing
After a 13-year corporate career in Asia and North America in finance, consumer tech and manufacturing, with senior positions at Swire Pacific, Honeywell and Johnson Matthey, Mark has spent the past 12 years investing and working with tech and media startups in Hong Kong, Canada and France. Focusing on business development and marketing, Mark’s recent engagements include Exicon, GreenOwl Mobile and SPIDEO. BA Honors in Asian Studies and Economics from Trinity College.

Kourosh Davarpanah, Evangelist
Co-founded a logistics startup in Paris that received seed funding from French serial entrepreneur and billionaire Xavier Niel. Former mergers-and-acquisitions analyst at Lazard Frères. Graduated from Columbia University and Ecole Polytechnique (France’s leading engineering school).

Maël Nison, Core Coin Developer
Maël has worked with several innovative startups and most notably Sketchfab, a TechStars-backed web company. He graduated from EPITECH, a top European Computer Science school, where he also taught C and C++. In his spare time, he works on various open source projects such as Virtjs, a javascript emulation library.

Ludovic Pouvreau, Back-end Developer
A former member of French telco giant Iliad’s web development team. Graduated from EPITECH, a top European Computer Science school. Ludovic has been involved in several technological projects at his school and also taught the theory and practice of C, C++ and ASM.

Alexandra Grasland, Front-end Developer and Designer
Alexandra has worked as a front end developer for a number of French companies, including the job board start-up Keework, hardware developer Freebox, media giant Vivendi and educational group Ionis. Alexandra graduated from EPITECH, a top European Computer Science school, where she was also an assistant teacher in C, PHP, SQL and Unix System.

NeuCoin Angels

Josh Abram
Co-founder, Co-CEO, Neuehouse, premier co-working/hospitality provider valued at $180M; previously founder, Dstillery, ad tech firm with $100M annual revenues, Integral Ad Sciences, ad tech firm with $50M annual revenues.

Markus Alderback
Founder and CEO of leading booking software MrOrange, MrJet (acquired by Ebookers/Orbitz), founder of Jetweb, Jetset, Trippa, Badoo, and many more.

Olga Bartnicki
CRO of LiveAuctioneers; previously founded Livelook (acquired by Oracle); former VP Allen & Co.

Henrik Dahlback
Investor and corporate finance advisor, former Director of Leveraged Finance at Merrill Lynch; previously Morgan Stanley Dean Witter.

Michael Daun
Founder/CEO of game developer Wellevue. Founder and former CEO of cloud-based viral video marketing platform Incloode. Co-founder of the Spray group, including pan-European interactive agency network Spray, which merged with Razorfish and listed on NASDAQ as the world's largest interactive services firm with an eventual $5B valuation, and Spray Network (pan-European portal sold to Lycos Europe for $572M). Board member of marketing services software developer Wendia International and real-time video software company Arkaos.

Anders Ehrenblad
Partner, Graviton Investment & Capital Advisers, an investment and corporate finance firm. Founder and former investment manager of tech/energy VC fund Alpha One. Board member of Maha Energy, RF Coverage, Eu-Supply Holdings, Widespace, PiaCare and Debitech.

Josh Engroff
Managing Partner at KBS+ Ventures, Chief Digital Media Officer at the Media Kitchen, previously VP of Billboard.

Bill and Gideon Friedman
Real estate investors owning over $1B of assets; Bill was previously founder and CEO of Tarragon Corporation.

David Frykman
Private equity investor in property, internet and retail. Board member of fashion brand Acne Jeans, Sweden's leading insurance broker Insplanet, online grocery retailer Matsmart.

Rob Goldman
Head of Growth at Facebook (responsible for "ads in your timeline"); formerly Founder of Swaylo (acquired by Facebook); previously General Manager of Shopping.com.

Toby Gorman
Producer of top television shows American Idol, Hollywood Game Night, The Winner Is, Celebrity Family Feud and Britain's Missing Top Model.

Pal Hodann
Private equity investor, material holdings in leading HR software company GlobeSoft and publicly traded packaging company Fasty, board member of publicly traded global communications consultancy Intellecta.

Michael Hudgins
Managing Director & Global Strategist, EII Capital Management; previously Executive Director, JPMorgan investment management; VP - Strategic Planning, Lend Lease.

Nicholas Högberg
CEO, Swedish subsidiary of 3 (Three), the world's largest 3G mobile operator with 27 million customers. Chairman of online ad production platform Bannerflow, 2013 Swedish "Telecom manager of the year" award, former CEO Vodafone Stores Sweden and CEO Campuz Mobile.

Johan Ihrfelt
Founder and CEO, renewable energy conglomerate OX2; co-founder of the Spray group, including pan-European interactive agency network Spray, which merged with Razorfish (where Johan was also EVP) and listed on NASDAQ as the world's largest interactive services firm with an eventual $5B valuation, and Spray Network (pan-European portal sold to Lycos Europe for $572M), where Johan also served as CEO.

Henrik Kjellberg
President of Hotwire, Chairman of eLong (Nasdaq-traded leading Chinese travel company), former President and VP positions at Expedia.

David Lerner
Professor of Entrepreneurship, Columbia University Graduate School of Business; Director, Columbia University Entrepreneurship; Director, Venture Lab, Columbia University Technology Ventures; previously founded several health care and technology ventures.

Ori Mace
CEO of leading web agency Acne Digital, founder and former Chief Creative Officer of leading Swedish web agency Starsky, acquired by top ad agency network McCann.

Adam McNicol
Founding partner of Fintan Partners, hedge fund with over $1B of assets; previously Founder of AM Wealth Management.

Emil Michael
SVP of Business at Uber; previously COO Klout, Senior Vice President, Tellme Networks, Special Assistant to the US Secretary of Defense, Investment Banking Associate, Goldman Sachs.

Alan Murray
Co-founder, Co-CEO, Neuehouse, premier co-working/hospitality provider valued at $180M; previously founder, Dstillery, ad tech firm with $100M annual revenues, Integral Ad Sciences, ad tech firm with $50M annual revenues.

Henrik Hancke Nielsen
Executive Producer at FremantleMedia North America, one of the world's largest TV production companies, shows include X-Factor, The Apprentice, the Idol and Got Talent franchises, The Price Is Right, and Family Feud.

David Perez
Co-founder of Convertro, an online marketing optimization platform sold to AOL for $101M; previously founded numerous online marketing and online dating companies.

Tom Phillips
CEO of Dstillery, leading ad technology firm; previously Director of Search and Analytics, Google; CEO of Deja.com; President ESPN Internet Ventures; Founder/CEO of Spy Magazine.

Andreas Reutercrona
Head of Customer Experience at Magine TV, a leading European cloud-based TV broadcast platform. Former Head of Sales and Service at IF, the largest insurance group in Scandinavia, with 6,800 employees and 3.6 million customers.

Ted Rogers
Chief Strategy Officer, XAPO (Bitcoin wallet that has received $40M of VC capital); previously, co-founder, general partner of Arpex Capital; co-founder Vidavee, sold to Vignette.

Daniel Sachs
CEO of investment company Proventus. Awarded "Young Global Leader" at World Economic Forum in Davos. Chairman of Nordic Broadcasting Oy, Artek, Tom Dixon, Royal Swedish Dramatic Theatre. Member of the European Council on Foreign Relations and the Advisory Boards of Sotheby's and Maiyet.

Christophe Salanon
Managing Director of online dating service Meetic ($440M IPO in 2005, acquired by IAC for $489M in 2011); Co-founder of group buying site Groupolitan, sold to Rossel, Belgium's largest media group. Board member of Viadeo, Vinogusto, Forecastis.

Richard Silen
Partner at Alipes, private equity company controlled by IKEA founder Ingvar Kamprad.

Calle Sjoenell
Chief Creative Officer, top advertising agency Lowe Brindfors; previously Chief Creative Officer at Ogilvy & Mather New York, world top 5 ad agency network. Ex Creative Director of top agencies BBH and Fallon.

Bjorn Soderstrom
Co-founder and former CEO of Mediaplanet North America and Conversionplanet, leading content marketing company with 400 employees in 15 countries. Founder and Exec Chairman of Rchery, startup mobile direct marketing platform.

Patrik Stymne
Co-founder and Chief Architect, King.com, NASDAQ-traded leading mobile game developer (Candy Crush Saga, largest game developer on Facebook, $4.5B valuation); co-founder of the Spray group, including pan-European interactive agency network Spray, which merged with Razorfish and listed on NASDAQ as the world's largest interactive services firm with an eventual $5B valuation, and Spray Network, a pan-European portal sold to Lycos Europe for $572M.

Henrik Sundgren
Top commercial film director, award winning commercials for Audi, VW, Coca-Cola, Burger King, Amazon, Volvo, Comcast, etc.

Jonas Svensson
Owner of MondoMedia, YouTube’s number one animation channel. Chairman of Talent Inc. Co-founder of the Spray group, including pan-European interactive agency network Spray, which merged with Razorfish (where Jonas also served as EVP and Vice Chairman) and listed on NASDAQ as the world's largest interactive services firm with an eventual $5B valuation, and Spray Network (pan-European portal sold to Lycos Europe for $572M); co-founder of Lovefilm, the Netflix of Europe, acquired by Amazon. Former owner and board member of Hyper Island, former Chairman of Acne.

Per Zachariassen
Producer of top television shows X-Factor, Eurovision Song Contest 2014, Talent and many more.

haha. nice meme.

I bet these folks won't even create a public bitcoin address
(they'll make a separate address for each buyer), so we won't
really know how big of a presale there is.

So, the presale starts tomorrow.  As Sandrine said above, you will be sending your BTC to a Seychelles IBC.

"The identities and personal details of the beneficial owners, directors and shareholders are NOT part of public record for a Seychelles IBC. At registration of a new IBC, the Registrar of Companies does not require any data whatsoever on who is the actual beneficial owner of the new company. This information is only known to the licensed Registered Agent of the company and is kept on internal file by the company. The internal corporate files of the IBC, like the Register of Members, Register of Directors and all Minutes and Resolutions, are kept at the offices of the Registered Agent.The only documents of a Seychelles IBC that are held on public record are the Memorandum of Association and the Articles of Association. These documents do not contain any indication as to the actual shareholders or the beneficial owners of the company.

There are strictly limited legal circumstances when a domestic government authority in Seychelles (namely, the Financial Investigation Authority or the Seychelles Revenue Commission) may request a registered agent to disclose information that is on file of a particular IBC. Such disclosure may only happen as part of an ongoing investigation, and no blanket "fishing operation" disclosures are allowed.

The Republic of Seychelles is an independent country. As such, it is not sharing or reporting information to any overseas "principal", or organization. Seychelles is not subject to the EU Savings Tax Directive, unlike some other offshore financial centres, which are related to the EU member states (primarily, to the UK and its overseas territories). The offshore financial services sector contributes significantly to the country`s GDP. There is an inherent interest with the government and with the general public to maintain and develop the country`s status as a competitive offshore financial centre."


So just be aware of where you are sending your BTC:  an anonymously held offshore tax haven.  There is nobody to hold responsible when the BTC disappears.  This is why there were no answers to my questions about CEO's, directors, equity positions...

Not only are they reinventing currency, they are reinventing investment platforms to avoid any legal or fiscal responsibility whatsoever.  This is a black hole down-which you are being invited to cast your BTC.

They're fine with it. Jackson Palmer already played his entire hand before and announced a departure earlier. Then suddenly he was back again and now he's announcing to leave. Again.

Shibes merely wish he'd just stay away.

wait, wait, wait ....

Jackson Palmer, founder of Doge:

Wasn't he just saying he's leaving crypto behind because it's too toxic? Did he not dump all his doge? Haha. Now he's on the neucoin thing. Haha. Dogecoiners must love this.


edit: yup, they do! Here you go:
http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/33motg/the_creator_of_dogecoin_is_divesting_all_his/
http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/33hdvo/feedback_needed_neucoin_distribution_to_dogecoin/


Also interesting:
http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/33naeb/jackson_palmer_is_still_listed_as_an_advisor_on/


Over at Litecoin:
http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/33p2mn/dogecoins_cofounder_jumps_ships_and_starts/

So basically you ask us to pay for your cocaine? lol

-Do the sell limitations for the insiders also apply to the interest they yield from their holdings?
-How do you want to exercise control over the funds of the insiders? (how to make sure they play by the rules?)


Quite funny how the seedinvestors are instantly 300% up at launch. That's a deal i would like too.

I think your chances are slim to actually sell this coin to people. Basically the one who provides buysupport is a succer. Likely drops like a rock.