Topic: [ANN] NeuCoin - Easy to use, free to try, focused on micropayments - Official - page 16. (Read 196191 times)

Can you understand the logic of your own statement - you are saying here that as long as there is any possibility that anybody might take an interest in Neucoin you will keep up your campaign to convince them otherwise. You are not here to be unbiased or present facts, you are clearly on a personal attack mission.

Whatever you may think about this thread or the people involved: It's a fact that you'll find more helpful infos here than anywhere else. And that's easy to prove because if you would read this thread and just focus on the informations you'll see that the Neucoin-desaster was predicted, underlined with arguments. And sure, not all posts are informative but under the line this thread has more value than Neucoin and I'm serious about that. Reason: It helped to safe money while Neucoin ripped those who believed in it.

And if you say now:

"I'm not the shill you take me for and recognize that there are clearly problems, even if I still think there is a possibility that they could reach new people who aren't into crypto so hold onto a few coins because of that."

I don't understand that logic, because I can't see anything good in it if there should be more unexperienced ppl who invest in this.

Lol, I didn't even say anything to defend Neucoin, nor do I have an interest in engaging in a never-ending argument about it, especially since I'm not the shill you take me for and recognize that there are clearly problems, even if I still think there is a possibility that they could reach new people who aren't into crypto so hold onto a few coins because of that. The whole world isn't made up of bagholder shills and fuders, most of us are normal people.
 
All I did was to comment on the nature of the discussion about Neucoin. Simply posting on this thread without expressing hatred and outrage made me a target for you, which illustrates the fact that this is not a genuine discussion, because it has been hijacked by people who clearly have an axe to grind, and who are so highly motivated and persistent that they drown out any genuine conversation.

Tempus, you are right. And you always try to be fair and even handed.
neucoin "forces" trolling. there are NO good points about neucoin that I (or Dart and CO previously) can think of.




I never said you are wrong by default. Just biased. And calling others biased.
neucoin is SO bad, only a bag holder would defend it.
Or the uninformed.

1. Independently from individual intentions I believe it's good to give infos and point with the finger on weak points instead of just watching like the Neu-team tries to hide it, manipulates people and pays news-sites to hype this with weird numbers https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13350236

2. It may be kind of idealistic to have the idea a Crypto-project should add some innovation to Crypto instead just ripping Investors, yes.

3. We agree! You're speaking about those who bought it. But there are also some who have read this thread and changed their opinion months ago and were able to sell without or with just at a little loss.

4. Yes, the team said how they wanted to distribute and not just I showed that it's impossible to do it that way. Who was right? Did they distribute or did they try to support the price with buy-walls? Did they pay game-devs and community-members for work and so on, like it was planned or was I right with this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12556706


Fact is: Those who were critics about it were right! Right? Fact is: The team broke all important promises I know of. Fact is: They are not able to handle the tech. Fact is: Now it's a private Blockchain and they want ppl to pay them to help securing it. And that wasn't the plan, right? Did they say they would switch to full PoS after some months to fuck the distribution up even more? Who stakes and isn't able to distribute? What will happen when the price rises? Will they sell into it or just sit on their billions and stake it again and again?

Oh I see, so the fact that I own a few coins means you can just call me a name and that means everything I say must be wrong. Much mature, so logic...

neucoin bag holder ^   NejrNECLxNZJhhDcntZgYvkb8hB27kRWCu


Yeah but that didn't work out for them.  
That only fooled the uber foolish presale buyers. You know, Dart and CO.

Soon there will be 4,000,000,000 neucoin. 97%(?) owned by Dan and Sandrine Ayral.
"several billion" neucoin scheduled to be earnt "given away" this year? (or Dan and Sandrine Ayral keep them?)

As Sandrine Ayral said, the PoW makes little difference to coin supply, just centralises  "distribution" even further.
Dan and Sandrine Ayral can't prop the price forever. Probably not much longer.
Even more worthless now than ever.

Sandrine Ayral, http://forum.neucoin.org/t/neucoin-pos-award-rates/1479
"Over the first 10 years, the supply of NeuCoin tokens will grow from the 3 billion pre-mine (held by the NeuCoin Foundations) to approximately 100 billion – with the vast majority of the growth coming from PoS awards (in year one there is also a small PoW component - 5 million NeuCoins per month..)."

Yes and yes. Well, at least its not normal but its not uncommon. At times one gets the feeling that it goes beyond just defensive holders of other alts and looks more like organized FUD campaigns (I've even heard rumours of paid fudders, although I can't confirm it). Its nearly as bad as politics sometimes.

I think its a mixture of three things:

Firstly you get people who are defensive about competition for their favourite alt. In the early days the NEU team reached out to some other coin communities like DOGE with the idea of an 'airdrop' giving free coins to the owners of those other alts, and that really seemed to get people's backs up (particularly DOGE since tipping and micropayments were kind of their thing) and seemed to coincide with the height of the venom when the official forum was almost entirely just angry hate posts.

Secondly you get a lot of idealistic people who have very 'purist' ideas about what a crypto should do and object to one being run like a start-up, kind of seeing it as the enemy impinging on their anarchic territory.

Thirdly you get a lot of immature people who buy the coins without doing any research on them, find out later on that its different to what they had thought and then shout loudly about being ripped off because of that, or because they didn't make a fortune overnight (which unfortunately is what some people expect when they start buying crypto).

You have people in this thread still going on about the distribution - everybody knew what this was going to be before the pre-sale, the reasons why were explained fully, the intended timeline for the foundation to go below 50% was provided, but yet instead of choosing whether they are interested or not and then acting accordingly they keep posting in this forum thread for month after month about how the distribution of coins is a scam. It should be clear that this is not because they have an honest opinion, but because they have an axe to grind.

 

Your right, price is completely up to the regime, Dan and Sandrine.
(are you a trader?)

Sometimes in life, morals matter.
Even above personal profit.

But please, take your place in this scam if you must.
Give your btc to Dan and Sandrine.
Put your morals in the trash.
And give my love to Dart, James mod and Torrgeek.

They will be delighted.

I hate to say it........... but I will, the time to buy is now. As soon as POS hits the price could be anywhere from what it is now to a couple bucks a share. The regime will decide the price and I do not think they have a couple of pennys per share in mind. just saying

It's a total joke in my eyes. I mean, let's think about PoS. It's very important that not one entity holds more than 50%, right? But in this PoS-System a single entity holds more than 97%. And sure, they won't attack the Blockchain but what's that? It's by definition a private Blockchain!

If we would assume that they would have at least good tech and a stable system, it would still be a company with a private Blockchain. But, under the line it's just bad tech without any kind of innovation.

And the funny part is: They want mass-adoption. The goal once was to distribute and to decentralize the system and so on. But what does that mean? If I would like to participate and to help to secure THEIR private Blockchain they want me to pay them for it! ;-)

I have to buy Neucoin to be able to help to secure a private Blockchain. And what do I get? Nothing. It's really not more. They want to sell sand in the desert. And that's it. And that makes it by definition to a scam.



And regarding the price: They can do with it whatever they want. The PoW made it just more expensive because they did not have full control. Now they have full control and like I've said: They want people to pay them to secure their private Blockchain. I have some doubts that this can be successful.

What? PoW mining for the first full year is a basic concept of the coin actually and the regime's solo decison to change its fundamental characteristics removes street cred even more because obviously they change economics at will. If you want this kind of centralisation you can create a way more efficient system than a blockchain...

They switched sooner than expected due to sell pressure. It was supposed to be about a year out from launch.


That's how its feeling. I mean, my take is a little different. They are all interesting, but rather stupid places to put your money as an investment.  Like betting on horses, but if there were a few million horses in the race. Having some fun is ok.

The early minting rates and growth accounts are attractive on NEU. Its not worth a damn if the coin becomes worthless. 200% of 0 is 0. Inflation is a risk. return rates of more established coins are not better than an average high-yield bank account and even worse when the Fed isn't buying a load of government bonds. the crypto coin market is left to total speculation at this time.  if there were a risk free 100% annual return out there then that's where all of my money would be.


Not precisely my line but close. its plausible to me that they won't know or care. I see a big "what if?" NEU reminds me of startups I've seen or worked on. Its true that 90% of them fail, but some of them don't.  Sometimes having the backing of others that have gone through a startup successfully before makes the difference and sometimes it doesn't. I do like the ones that start simple and grind it out but there are other approaches that work as well. My observation is that they are doing something different by applying a startup approach. maybe its good or maybe its not


Thank you for your replies, tempus. I understand your take on the numbers a little better.  I'll take some time to do the math myself and apply it to other coins for a comparison.

We'll see how they react to the poor launch and what comes of the integrations they have out there. 100% PoS switch won't get them any more street cred, but it has apparently created a temporary improvement in price.

The regime is desperately trying to stop the inevitable total disaster.

IIRC they always stated that PoW mining will last for a full year.
"5 million coins per month during year 1 will be awarded through PoW mining."

They have to pull the plug now because the coin is almost dead and BTC funds (3MrNuksZ1VePU3dGiSQFiouWerJUJgDkfH) are nearing zero.

The story goes something like this:
Although the PoW share is ridiculously small, the miners want to sell part of their earnings.
Now, because nobody at all wants to buy Neucon, Daniel Kaufman (the master of scams and sock-puppets) had to buy all of his own coins on bittrex. Along with unsuccessful marketing, zero innovation, slow development and technical problems the price has been going down nevertheless.

The only way for the regime around Daniel to leave this coin in a at least comatose state is by killing the supply side (miners). The remaining part of the supply is under control (the foundations/regime hold more than 99% of all the coins) and the remaining coins are in the hands of 5 to 10 die-hard-uber-idiots (James, superman, darteous, et al.). They have their coins in long-term locked staking accounts and don't want to crash the price anyway.

Now the only chance for Daniel is to start another marketing offense and try to sell some of his billions of coins to noobs, while the die-hard-uber-idiots have their tiny amounts of coins locked away. Which - just for the sake of completeness - are designed in a way that if you want to exit early, you get no interest at all.

The final round of Neucon.

Fork.

Just got an email today stating that POW is done and the coin is moving to a full POS system.  Was that previously announced or is that a fork in the coin ?  Probably already answered but I'm not able to read hundreds of pages of text lol

hey slash..

Were not that bad really. Shittyness from both sides here.

Ok, we/I attacked neucoin insiders. Fair game.
neucoin sock puppets mostly with personal attacks. Never discussion. Never insight. Never informative.
I would rather have proper discussion, but that never happened.
Every aspect of neucoin is broken, not as described, or plain wrong.
(see Torrgeek mods "proof of fud" theory - the more people hate neucoin the bigger the buy signal! Sept 4th)
(or dart mod "neucoin is innovative, cant remember what though. rizz will know" June 30th)

I've seen your line of thought before,
"So neucoin is naff, but the masses wont know or care"
Sorry, don't see the logic there.

Please dont rush in to ANY crypto. They are all shit. Some much more than others. neucoin more than most.
Don't give your bitcoin away as easily as Dart or James mod.
Now they hold a near worthless bag of neucoin. Their valuable bitcoin gone - to Dan and Sandrine


99% owned by internet malware/spyware creator Dan kaufman and side kick Sandrine Ayril
Built on lies, misinformation, and deceit.
What is there to like about neucoin?

anyone ever tweet to these big names like Candy Crush Saga owner? I just want to confirm he's in on it.

With such rich people involved it's extremely odd that only 4 BTC of buy orders are placed on bittrex. Was there any proof that these people did invest?