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Topic: [ANN] NeuCoin - Easy to use, free to try, focused on micropayments - Official - page 12. (Read 196236 times)

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Ophelie visiting her Dart and James and Bitchin Camaro and Baby Mod's money in the Seychelles sends greetings:

https://mobile.twitter.com/kiwicerisemiaw/status/669903441611718656

No, wait.  It's hers and Spyware Pig and Magicking and Sandrine's money now.  That's how she paid for her next trip to Japan, Sandrine's country estate in England...


Here we go again:

http://bitcoinist.net/neucoin-destroy-coins-projects/


PS: Sandrine left Neucoin quite some time ago.


Here we go again:

https://blockchain.info/address/3MrNuksZ1VePU3dGiSQFiouWerJUJgDkfH

Poof!  All the bitcoins save 10 are gone!

Sandrine left and bought a huge house in England that she rents on airBNB!

And Ophelie is on a whirlwind tour of Asia while the plebs on the official forum (all 6 of them) are begging for new info!

CTO on holiday with ill-gotten gains, closing down the Seychelles entity that is no longer needed because all the bitcoins, save 10, have been run through the mixer and passed to the founders' personal offshore accounts!

You got Kaufmaned, Trailer Cash!  And Ophied!

The scam was the bitcoins!  The Neucoins get more worthless every day!  Did you see the hit today from the Vernon Dump?

Stop trying to make it seem the NoKoins have value.  They don't matter to Dan.

The scam was the MrNukes account.  Now they're laughing and poor sods like you are defending them.  Big Dummy.

Defending them? Really? Have you lost your little mind?  I only made note of Sandrine leaving, thats when things really got bad. I'm not defending them, quite the inverse  actually. They have produced nothing, they have invented nothing, they have fleeced thousands of people and brought down the entire ALT market a notch or two. Far from "defending" I would say.

 
hero member
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Ophelie visiting her Dart and James and Bitchin Camaro and Baby Mod's money in the Seychelles sends greetings:

https://mobile.twitter.com/kiwicerisemiaw/status/669903441611718656

No, wait.  It's hers and Spyware Pig and Magicking and Sandrine's money now.  That's how she paid for her next trip to Japan, Sandrine's country estate in England...


Here we go again:

http://bitcoinist.net/neucoin-destroy-coins-projects/


PS: Sandrine left Neucoin quite some time ago.


Here we go again:

https://blockchain.info/address/3MrNuksZ1VePU3dGiSQFiouWerJUJgDkfH

Poof!  All the bitcoins save 10 are gone!

Sandrine left and bought a huge house in England that she rents on airBNB!

And Ophelie is on a whirlwind tour of Asia while the plebs on the official forum (all 6 of them) are begging for new info!

CTO on holiday with ill-gotten gains, closing down the Seychelles entity that is no longer needed because all the bitcoins, save 10, have been run through the mixer and passed to the founders' personal offshore accounts!

You got Kaufmaned, Trailer Cash!  And Ophied!

The scam was the bitcoins!  The Neucoins get more worthless every day!  Did you see the hit today from the Vernon Dump?

Stop trying to make it seem the NoKoins have value.  They don't matter to Dan.

The scam was the MrNukes account.  Now they're laughing and poor sods like you are defending them.  Big Dummy.
sr. member
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AKA RJF - Since '14 - On line since '84
Ophelie visiting her Dart and James and Bitchin Camaro and Baby Mod's money in the Seychelles sends greetings:

https://mobile.twitter.com/kiwicerisemiaw/status/669903441611718656

No, wait.  It's hers and Spyware Pig and Magicking and Sandrine's money now.  That's how she paid for her next trip to Japan, Sandrine's country estate in England...


Here we go again:

http://bitcoinist.net/neucoin-destroy-coins-projects/


PS: Sandrine left Neucoin quite some time ago.
hero member
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Ophelie visiting her Dart and James and Bitchin Camaro and Baby Mod's money in the Seychelles sends greetings:

https://mobile.twitter.com/kiwicerisemiaw/status/669903441611718656

No, wait.  It's hers and Spyware Pig and Magicking and Sandrine's money now.  That's how she paid for her next trip to Japan, Sandrine's country estate in England...
hero member
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$2000 worth dumped on Bittrex.  New lows.  Looks like Paul Vernon stole the Cryptsy Neucoins too, but they weren't smart enough to catch him like the UNO guys...

http://themerkle.com/coins-move-from-cryptsy-to-bittrex/

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$4000.  Project broke.  Scam over.  Money laundered. Nothing more to see here.  That was quick.

No surprise really, it was only a matter of time. When Sandrine left, the handwriting was on the wall...


legendary
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This thread really shows that the Neu-team gives a shit about their Investors.

Opened on Feb 10:

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Two Factor Authentification (2FA) removed from MyNeuCoin

About a month ago, the Two Factor Authentification (2FA) feature was removed from MyNeuCoin.
We did however keep the feature going for those users who had already set it up before the change.

(...)



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First reaction: "That ist a HUGE step backwards, imho."

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Second reaction (Heunland) on Feb 12:

"To simplify, as of today 2FA was removed also from those accounts. This means that there is no longer any 2FA functionality on MyNeuCoin and all users can log in using just an email address and a password."

For the benefit of other users who had the 2FA activated before and may now be locked out of their accounts like me, I can confirm that the above statement is not entirely true. At least in my case, after completing login with username and password, I am still being shown the screen prompting for the 2FA code. I have been in contact with tech support about this and the issue has not been resolved as of today.

I agree with @joen above, removing the 2FA is a huge step backward. Reinstating it would immediately solve my problem but I suppose that is not considered a viable option here.


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Third reaction (again Heunland) today:

@acorn I hate to keep harping on this but two months since my last comment and several emails to support without answer, and I am still unable to access myneucoin. No help whatsoever from tech support team. All they can tell me is that supposedly they are working on it and noone else has this problem, which of course does not help me recuperate access to my account. I am being asked to enter an OTP token which I cannot provide. I suppose I should just assume I have lost the money I invested in this project.

http://forum.neucoin.org/t/two-factor-authentification-2fa-removed-from-myneucoin/2470/3



My guess is: There is near to or even zero development. They have the ICO-money, the price is down, the project has failed. They won't ever admit that and they will keep on with some posts about the imaginary user-growth (btw., quote Darteous: "The numbers are obviously exaggerated to some degree for the purpose of marketing.") but they do nothing else. They don't even communicate or react on questions. Even that's too much work!

I really feel sorry for those who believed in this but maybe it's time to open the eyes. And I can exactly say what I would do if I would have invested: I would try to form a group out of ppl who are as pissed as I would be and start to make pressure, asking the hard questions. And sure, I know out of own experience that there is always the fear to damage the price with critics, but who still believes that it was FUD that damaged this project should ask: Why don't they have answers, why didn't they react on all the concerns, why didn't they defend their project, why does it seem as if they do !nothing!?

Compare it to other projects with legit and hard working and communicative Teams - very often without any ICO-money.


I would whip them into shape...  

legendary
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Frankly: I'm wondering if anybody already has filed a lawsuit. If not, the scam would even be bigger, for it could mean that the scammers behind Neucoin also staged a big part of the sale...
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$4000.  Project broke.  Scam over.  Money laundered. Nothing more to see here.  That was quick.
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188 BTC, or less than 5% of the original 4000 some odd BTC raised in the ICO remain in the "MrNukes" wallet:

https://blockchain.info/address/3MrNuksZ1VePU3dGiSQFiouWerJUJgDkfH

Scam almost complete.  Stop looking at the NoKoins.  The BTC in the Seychelles is always where the scam was.

95% of startup capital gone in 4 months.  Quite a "burn rate".  Or just a nice windfall for the scammers who perpetrated this.

https://blockchain.info/address/3MrNuksZ1VePU3dGiSQFiouWerJUJgDkfH

BTC WALLET

Total recieved          => 4012 btc          $1,644,920
New transaction out =>     20 btc.               $8,200
Total spent              => 4002 btc          $1,636,720
                              ---------------         ---------------
New balance            =>     10 btc.               $4,100
                              ---------------          --------------

  ----------------------------------------------------------------

BITTREX

Buy order at 1 satoshi  =>  7 btc               680,000,000 neu
Buy order at 2 satoshi  =>  4 btc               200,000,000 neu
Other buy orders         =>  4 btc                      650,000 neu *
                                  -----------              --------------------
Total buy orders          => 15 btc               880,650,000 neu  

  ------------------------------------------------------------------

* Darteous alone has more than 650,000 neu?

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Edit, (4hours)  price plunged 10%.  oop's, wasn't me.  Embarrassed
(back to pre burn price. that went well. keep burning)




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Does it really need Neucoin?

Something about Digibyte (I'm not invested, didn't even really knew about it):

They do what Neucoin wants to do, but they really do it and obviously they know how to do it - without a Million-Dollar-ICO but with development and hard work in general.

Thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/digibytedgb-core-v61651-digishield-digispeed-segwit-408268

That's how a smart economical system looks like. No monster premine, no monster inflation.


News:

Counterstrike Global Offensive Now Rewards Players with DigiByte Cryptocurrency
https://news.bitcoin.com/counterstrike-global-offensive-now-rewards-players-digibyte-cryptocurrency/


Volume on Polo: 3600 BTC



Good old hard word, customer relations and ingenuity. Oh, and honesty, lets not forget that...
legendary
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Does it really need Neucoin?

Something about Digibyte (I'm not invested, didn't even really knew about it):

They do what Neucoin wants to do, but they really do it and obviously they know how to do it - without a Million-Dollar-ICO but with development and hard work in general.

Thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/digibytedgb-core-v61651-digishield-digispeed-segwit-408268

That's how a smart economical system looks like. No monster premine, no monster inflation.


News:

Counterstrike Global Offensive Now Rewards Players with DigiByte Cryptocurrency
https://news.bitcoin.com/counterstrike-global-offensive-now-rewards-players-digibyte-cryptocurrency/


Volume on Polo: 3600 BTC

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I really wish these forums posts had the a like button! Although as you can see I am not an avid forum poster!

I have been in neu since the start and whilst I agree the marketing has been pretty lousy and they have been very slow to get things off the ground like the referral program for example, I do see some success coming for this coin. The core fundamentals and backing are all good. its just a shame the great hype they paraded in front of us all was not helpful given they clearly were not ready to launch when they did.  the education quiz, games etc etc in my opinion should have been ready for the launch so that the already engaged that bought into the neu became its greatest advocates.

I think they made the right decision recently to change the investment plans as in the real world it was way over the top, so leveling down makes it a more realistic investment. Neucoin is growing slowly, very slowly but that doesn't make it a scam either. Those devs just have vc's to answer too and clearly they have made some mistakes but I am sticking with it and hope to be offering it as a payment solution soon.

I think if you read to much in the forums it can turn your mind into seeing bad in everything, i realise we have a far bit of scamming to contend with in altworld and that people have had there fingers burnt but complaining about not getting 1600% interest payment in 5 years is just so "yawn yawn" If you didnt get in earlier enough then its just tough luck. if a business plan and roadmaps have to be amended slightly to keep things on course then so be it. Anyone who has run a business or with an ounce of common sense should know that things change in real life, nothing stays the same. you either have to evolve with the world or potential lose everything you have built to date. you apply the same to many things in life and that includes your investments just deal with it ffs
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Neucoin have projects that were very nice , innovation and education.
But this time I did not understand the system of Jango , I can not tipping to the artist because my balance is not increased after listening to the radio
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Passed in studies in beta testing, to attract partners. But, unfortunately, I lost access to their coin support said that the restore is not possible.
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legendary
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The numbers are obviously exaggerated to some degree for the purpose of marketing. But they do say a lot.
   

So, unreal numbers say a lot? How is that possible?


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How many times did you hear about bitcoin before you actually decided to really read into it? Same with altcoins? Neucoin is reaching a much larger market than any other altcoin. As long the price doesn't drop like a rock they're going to slowly gain more and more seriously interested users. Neucoin reaches outside the crypto market like no other coin has been able to do besides bitcoin. We'll see over this year how they do with retention, but if they keep it up Neucoin will become one of few successful cryptos

I doubt that, because there are no solutions for initial problems like the economical-design. Coin-destruction can be hardly called an elegant solution. And there is no real sign that Neucoin really grows. I mean, you say the numbers are exaggerated for the purpose of marketing and there is no way to find out the real numbers. But it's easy to figure out if there is user-growth or not in general. If the number of followers doesn't increase, if the number of FB-likes stays the same and at a low level, if the google-searches even decrease... where should the user-growth be? Take a look here, an interesting comparison:




Factom and Neucoin started (nearly) at the same time. Both had an ICO and while Neucoin claim they would have captured > 4000 BTC, Factom captured just 2.278 BTC. The first time Neucoin had more searches than Factom and Factom doesn't have 8000 new users per day. But obviously the google-trend shows an explosion, while Neucoin decreases. And that shouldn't be possible if there is any real user-growth. It's that simple.

And if you compare it with other projects, projects without money-backing and "big names"... you'll see: A lot of those projects have more user-interaction, more followers, more community-communication, higher volume, and so on.

And I know that it's seen as FUD if I write those things, but besides the obvious problems with the tech and the design and the lack of communication, it's quiet hard to believe anything what comes from the team, if independent/objective informations are that much in conflict with team-infos. All together adds up to the biggest problem: Credibility.



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The numbers are obviously exaggerated to some degree for the purpose of marketing. But they do say a lot. How many times did you hear about bitcoin before you actually decided to really read into it? Same with altcoins? Neucoin is reaching a much larger market than any other altcoin. As long the price doesn't drop like a rock they're going to slowly gain more and more seriously interested users. Neucoin reaches outside the crypto market like no other coin has been able to do besides bitcoin. We'll see over this year how they do with retention, but if they keep it up Neucoin will become one of few successful cryptos
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First: Of course, Jango can be part of an economy. For it's own it's not an economy. And the problem is: Think about what would happen if the Neucoins on Jango would leave it to Bittrex. With other words: The supply on Jango shouldn't leave Jango because otherwise it would hurt the price. If I would be a musician there and let's say everybody loves me and all the 200,000 "Users" send me some Neucoins I would crash the market. And I don't say that Jango is a bad idea. It's the same problem I've mention again and again: The supply doesn't fit in any way to reality. The price reflects that and it's still too high.

Second: It's right not to expect that everything will be accomplished at once. But then again: Why start with a supply that would be worth over 50 Mio Dollar and monster-inflation and just 3.3% on the market while 97% sitting in the back, staking, and buying a project that is totally overvalued for years. It's as if you would give them a loan. You say: "Okay, I know it's not worth that much now but maybe in 2 or 3 years, so I hope you will deliver. Please take my money and make decisions I would agree with!". In fact that's what every Investor said who bought into the ICO. And if you take a look on the process since the ICO: Did they deliver? What I see is that they don't even really communicate! They don't do just the basic-work. They took the money and the biggest decisions they've made is to switch to full PoS (who is staking?) and to cut the total supply to increase the value (who wants to sell billions of Coins?).


You are right.  If coins leave jango right now, most of them would get sold/traded.  There will need to be other things to do with them.

Best guess is the very high rewards on PoS mining for the early stages of the coin is meant to more than pay the early buyers and investors to cover inflation from dumping a lot of coins on the market via jango and solitaire.

The strategy was this in my opinion:

They wanted the price (near) to be stable. They believed/thought/hoped, that there would be increasing demand on the exchanges and they would meet that demand, sell into it but with price-stability in mind. Let's say if the price goes above the ICO they would sell a little and it would go back to ICO-price and so forth. That's not very interesting for Investors but they say: "Keep your coins off from the exchange, stake it, and you make 100% per year."

So, the high reward has three reasons:

1. Kind of compensation that there wouldn't be much profit because of the price.
2. Incentive not to hold it on the exchange, to lower the risk that Investors would bring pressure on the price
3. They, as a "central-bank", could sell if there is demand.

If you think about it as if it would be successful: There is a constant growing user-base, constant demand on exchanges and they just would have to meet that demand at 0.00005 for example. If there is more buy-pressure they sell more. If there isn't much they don't sell. In best case that would be pretty constant money over years. And they wouldn't even have to touch the billions they hold. They just would need the staking-reward.

Let's say 5 Mio Neucoin everyday: At 0.00004 that would be 200 BTC! Every day! And they stake more every day!

And if you think about a project like Ethereum, with it's 30k BTC - Volume per 24 hours: It could be (theoretically) possible.


But: What would that be? A money-machine for the team, right? Of course, they would say: It's all for the project and they give a lot away for free, for promotion and sponsor jango-tipping etc., but they would make a lot of money. I mean, if you calculate it just with 500k per day it's still 20 BTC per day and 600 BTC per month = $250k at the current BTC-price.

And again: They stake millions every day. If I remember it right it was about 7 Mio in the first time after launch.


That's the reason why I call it a greed-project, because it wouldn't make any sense to have such a premine with such a staking-reward if they have no plan to distribute it. And besides the nice talking about paying Devs and for PR with Neucoin and so on, distribution happens on exchanges. With other words: In case of success they already made sure that they would become more than just rich out of it.

And to cover that up, they call the foundations "non-profit-foundations" and so on. But again: They wouldn't have to touch the billions, just the staking reward would be enough. Just their private holdings would be enough.


And what would it need to become successful? A hype. That's it. People have doubts about the premine, their intentions, the project in general? They show their faces and some "big names". They do all to impress the public, to seem professional, legit, big, skilled in what they do and so on. They pay for articles, they focus on the non-educated (in Crypto). They said "You missed Bitcoin in the early days? Now we are here! We will replicate that and you can be an early adopter!".

That all makes some sense on first sight - if you trust them. And some bought into it not because they believed in it themselves, but they believed it would have potential to hype. So it could have been a good buy - to sell in short term right after the launch because it was obvious that they would make some noise, get some attention.

But facts are facts and they've planned a best-case scenario which is naive and ignores all what we know about collective psychology and dynamics - regarding communication (this thread is one example) and the markets. They were not able to think about the complexity regarding the eco-system in combination with collective dynamics. They were never able to answer the real tough questions, like "why such a high marketcap right from the start? Where is room to grow with that?" Most likely they would have said something like "it's about the future, the premine is just potential to pay the future" and so on, but again: It's as if an Investor would give them a loan if he buys to that prices. And that's not smart.

And: The biggest problem they had was that the price went down right after launch. Because if the price goes down nearly nobody will buy it. Everybody has in mind that they have to distribute, that it could be possible that they would sell into the buy-walls if there are buy-walls. So there are no buywalls.


Just btw: Regarding their claim that there would be 8000 new users every day. I already said that I don't believe that because it's not visible on Bittrex, it's not visible on the official forum, it's not visible on google-trends-search, it's not visible here.

Most revealing are maybe Twitter and Facebook. I mean, it would be easy just to click on follow or "like", right? But since the launch (end of september) it's just a plus of about 200 followers on Twitter. That's not even 2 new follower per day. If you look at Facebook: It should be easy to click on the like-button and with 8000 new users per day, which would be 240k per month I would expect some thousand likes per week. But they have only 1,505 likes since day one on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/neucoin

Two scenarios:

1. The number is simply a lie. There are not 8000 new users per day and most likely not even 100 new users per day.

2. There are new users because there are accounts with NEU-tips, but they don't care. 99,9999% are not interested.


Both would say the same.

 
newbie
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First: Of course, Jango can be part of an economy. For it's own it's not an economy. And the problem is: Think about what would happen if the Neucoins on Jango would leave it to Bittrex. With other words: The supply on Jango shouldn't leave Jango because otherwise it would hurt the price. If I would be a musician there and let's say everybody loves me and all the 200,000 "Users" send me some Neucoins I would crash the market. And I don't say that Jango is a bad idea. It's the same problem I've mention again and again: The supply doesn't fit in any way to reality. The price reflects that and it's still too high.

Second: It's right not to expect that everything will be accomplished at once. But then again: Why start with a supply that would be worth over 50 Mio Dollar and monster-inflation and just 3.3% on the market while 97% sitting in the back, staking, and buying a project that is totally overvalued for years. It's as if you would give them a loan. You say: "Okay, I know it's not worth that much now but maybe in 2 or 3 years, so I hope you will deliver. Please take my money and make decisions I would agree with!". In fact that's what every Investor said who bought into the ICO. And if you take a look on the process since the ICO: Did they deliver? What I see is that they don't even really communicate! They don't do just the basic-work. They took the money and the biggest decisions they've made is to switch to full PoS (who is staking?) and to cut the total supply to increase the value (who wants to sell billions of Coins?).


You are right.  If coins leave jango right now, most of them would get sold/traded.  There will need to be other things to do with them.

Best guess is the very high rewards on PoS mining for the early stages of the coin is meant to more than pay the early buyers and investors to cover inflation from dumping a lot of coins on the market via jango and solitaire.
newbie
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"Payola, in the music industry, is the illegal practice of payment or other inducement by record companies for the broadcast of recordings on commercial radio in which the song is presented as being part of the normal day's broadcast. Under U.S. law, 47 U.S.C. § 317, a radio station can play a specific song in exchange for money, but this must be disclosed on the air as being sponsored airtime, and that play of the song should not be counted as a "regular airplay"."

Have you tried tipping on Jango?  The second half of your quote explains why it isn't payola.  The songs are not presented as being part of the normal day's broadcast.
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