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Topic: [ANN] NeuCoin - Easy to use, free to try, focused on micropayments - Official - page 56. (Read 196243 times)

legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
^ impressive post  Roll Eyes

Wow, you almost convinced me investor  Wink

Back to reality:
Let's assume that you're not a team member and therefore actually care about facts.
Let's assume further that collecting those links and writing your post took you 5 minutes. OK.
Now, did you know that the Neucon team "earned" ten thousands of coins while you were writing said post?
Sometimes the make more than 50'000 coins in 40 seconds (that equals a 2 BTC ICO investment) (*).

And you really believe that anyone should buy this coin? Really???

(*) proof


So its not just theory.  The premine just keeps growing. 
legendary
Activity: 2898
Merit: 1017
Trying the windows wallet..

If I lock the wallet, there is no way of unlocking it for staking.. (kinda main purpose in a POS wallet).

You could use a cold minting address https://github.com/NeuCoin/neucoin/blob/master/doc/faq.md and keep the spending key out of your computer.

Thats cool, thanks!  But I'll be minting the normal way for the time being..

Should I expect any stake rewards any time soon ?   not sure how the reward system works with Neu..
After 1.6 days (before your Neu are able to mint), it depends on how much you are trying to mint, if the your Neu are spread across multiple address in your wallet and thing like that.

Still no stake..

and I get this message,  "Warning: No sync-checkpoint received for quite a long time."

I have the same message, but it's working. This message only means that Neucoin didn't synced checkpoint yet. Just check if your wallet is unlocked for minting and you good to go. How much you are trying to mint? If it's small amount it will take longer.

This is only a 4K neu wallet
newbie
Activity: 7
Merit: 0
Trying the windows wallet..

If I lock the wallet, there is no way of unlocking it for staking.. (kinda main purpose in a POS wallet).

You could use a cold minting address https://github.com/NeuCoin/neucoin/blob/master/doc/faq.md and keep the spending key out of your computer.

Thats cool, thanks!  But I'll be minting the normal way for the time being..

Should I expect any stake rewards any time soon ?   not sure how the reward system works with Neu..
After 1.6 days (before your Neu are able to mint), it depends on how much you are trying to mint, if the your Neu are spread across multiple address in your wallet and thing like that.

Still no stake..

and I get this message,  "Warning: No sync-checkpoint received for quite a long time."

I have the same message, but it's working. This message only means that Neucoin didn't synced checkpoint yet. Just check if your wallet is unlocked for minting and you good to go. How much you are trying to mint? If it's small amount it will take longer.
legendary
Activity: 2898
Merit: 1017
Trying the windows wallet..

If I lock the wallet, there is no way of unlocking it for staking.. (kinda main purpose in a POS wallet).

You could use a cold minting address https://github.com/NeuCoin/neucoin/blob/master/doc/faq.md and keep the spending key out of your computer.

Thats cool, thanks!  But I'll be minting the normal way for the time being..

Should I expect any stake rewards any time soon ?   not sure how the reward system works with Neu..
After 1.6 days (before your Neu are able to mint), it depends on how much you are trying to mint, if the your Neu are spread across multiple address in your wallet and thing like that.

Still no stake..

and I get this message,  "Warning: No sync-checkpoint received for quite a long time."
member
Activity: 81
Merit: 10
Well i did do a survey and got awarded some,but never got a single free coin.And i cant for the life of me see the attraction.Yes you guys can advertise, but more thn that its getting babies like nothing and hardly a use. All uses i find is to get more.
Sry for the negative ,but i see no good here.
legendary
Activity: 1960
Merit: 1128
Neucoin’s work is impressive and it's just a beginning. Many critics were writing that Neucoin will never launch, they will never be listed on exchanges, were is their wallet and etc.



One question is: Was the ICO really sold to the public and was it really a legit launch?

The problem is, if you look at the distribution:

Top 10.......2,967,553,562.06368923 NEU   96.72 %
Top 100.....3,062,105,550.67083359 NEU   99.8 %
Top 1000...3,068,146,816.34814405 NEU   100 %

Where are the 100 Mio sold in the ICO? It's not in Top100-1000. There are only about 6 Mio Coins. That's the staking of 20 hours.

They say:

Hi @takla : approximately 1000 people took part in the presale: https://blockchain.info/address/3MrNuksZ1VePU3dGiSQFiouWerJUJgDkfH
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/investors-in-neucoin/1341


And yes, there are > 1000 transactions. But I looked into it and it's nearly always the same... the BTC went a long way over multiple addresses, and often very fast. There were some big transactions but also very small transactions had a long way before, were splitted before etc.... it's hard to figure out where they came from. And: Why did so many Investors believe it's necessary to send their money through the entire Blockchain instead of sending them directly?

And: If there were about 1000 people who bought the pre-sale, how can it be that they're all in the Top100?

Did they all transact their NEU to the exchanges? If you take a look on Bittrex (Distribution) the answer seems to be no. There isn't much, I would say < 10 Mio, maybe < 7 Mio. And on the sellside are only 498,372 NEU.

If so many would have transacted their NEU to Bittrex I would expect a lot more on the sellside. It's very unusual that there isn't even 1 Mio.


I doubt that there is a lot more on Cryptsy.


And if we look at the official forum. It doesn't seem that there are so much User, right? There are a lot of links and it's visible how often they were clicked. And it also counts clicks of those who are not registered as User. One example, the Thread about the presale:

Hi there!

As promised, here are all the important details about our presale:

It will begin on April 28
100 million NEU to be offered in exchange for BTC
Price starts at $0.01 per NEU and increases by 1% per day
Presale ends after 60 days or when the 100 million tokens have been sold
The presale will happen at www.neucoin.org 69

http://forum.neucoin.org/t/neucoin-presale-to-start-april-28-and-earn-free-neucoins-now/467


Until now there are just 69 clicks on the link to the pre-sale.

If there were about 1000 User who bought the pre-sale I would expect some more clicks than just 69.

And if there were about 1000 User who bought the pre-sale I wouldn't expect to find all the Coins in the Top100...



If I think about all that, self-buying would be my guess. But if that should be right, there is the question "why?". Possible answers:

1. Because otherwise it would have failed
2. To have full control - also about the 100 Mio. And that's just about 3% of the initial supply (3 billion).


My guess is: They saw that there isn't much demand. They recognized that there are not many Users on their forum, not many views on the Mainpage or the Wiki, not many action on Twitter and so on. It wasn't the hype they had expected. So they bought it themselves in three days to let it seem as if there would be much demand, as if it would have been possible to sell more than just 100 Mio.

And than, most likely the plan was to distribute it over the exchanges... with control about supply and price.

But it doesn't seem as if there is a lot more demand now, right? It doesn't seem as if there is more action on their forum... Somebody starts a topic "Serious question" and after 12 hours it has 61 views and 3 replies... that's not very much if there are at least 1000 Investors and after the launch it should be much more... now it's on the exchanges and visible for all.

Or their official Twitter-Account: https://twitter.com/neucoin
The first tweet is over a year ago, but just 819 follower.

Sandrine (CM): https://twitter.com/SandrineAy
joined in 2012, but just 1083 follower


Just for example: https://twitter.com/NeosCoin

It's a high-quality and honest project but without much marketing/PR, still under the radar... more like an Insider-Tip. But it started in August 14 and has more follower than this Mainstream-Neucoin-project?

Weird, right?


So, if I should be right with my guess, that there wasn't enough demand to reach the ICO-terms and that there was selfbuying of those who already owned 97% of the total supply (now more because of staking)... it was a failed ICO.


And what's a fact: Now the Top100 are sitting on 99.8 % of the total supply, staking the hell out of it and everybody who sees that, steps back. And the group behind it, including those they call "angel-investors" and "initial-seed-investors", are in summary 50 people. Not that hard to figure out who is in the Top100. Not many public-investors I would guess. ;-)



And if you think about that... maybe you'll also find an answer to the questions: Why isn't there an official Block-Explorer? Why isn't there much communication? What are the 12 people of the core-team doing? And they started working on that 1 1/2 year ago? What's there? A badly designed forum? A peercoin-fork? A Homepage and a Wiki? That's nothing... Every little 100 Dollar - marketcap-Coin has that.

The only innovation I see is the incredibly high staking-rate and zero distribution. If that's what they've wanted --> mission accomplished.
hero member
Activity: 545
Merit: 500
Neucoin’s work is impressive and it's just a beginning. Many critics were writing that Neucoin will never launch, they will never be listed on exchanges, were is their wallet and etc.

So far everything Neucoin promised they delivered and continue to develop further:


Neucoin strategic plan - http://www.neucoin.org/en/wiki/

Neucoin white paper - http://www.neucoin.org/en/whitepaper/

Neucoin user friendly online wallet with growth accounts - http://myneucoin.com

Neucoin desktop wallet for advanced users and minting - http://www.neucoin.org/en/download

Neucoin open source code - https://github.com/NeuCoin/neucoin

Neucoin on Cryptsy - https://www.cryptsy.com/markets/view/NEU_BTC

Neucoin on Bittrex - https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-NEU

Neucoin first of many game-like onboarding websites http://www.getneucoin.com

Neucoin official forum - http://forum.neucoin.org


If somebody doesn’t like Neucoin they are free not to invest or better create their own coin.

So many "experts" here and so little who actually do something real.


Do nothing?  We do math!  And Due Diligence!

Billions and billions of coins already existing and being created from...nothing...second by second already crushing your "investment" (donation to Dank's Cocaine fund).

"Neucoininvestors" LIKE YOU are already collectively $100,000 in the red.

Dummy.
legendary
Activity: 1181
Merit: 1002
^ impressive post  Roll Eyes

Wow, you almost convinced me investor  Wink

Back to reality:
Let's assume that you're not a team member and therefore actually care about facts.
Let's assume further that collecting those links and writing your post took you 5 minutes. OK.
Now, did you know that the Neucon team "earned" ten thousands of coins while you were writing said post?
Sometimes the make more than 50'000 coins in 40 seconds (that equals a 2 BTC ICO investment) (*).

And you really believe that anyone should buy this coin? Really???

(*) proof
newbie
Activity: 16
Merit: 0
Neucoin’s work is impressive and it's just a beginning. Many critics were writing that Neucoin will never launch, they will never be listed on exchanges, were is their wallet and etc.

So far everything Neucoin promised they delivered and continue to develop further:


Neucoin strategic plan - http://www.neucoin.org/en/wiki/

Neucoin white paper - http://www.neucoin.org/en/whitepaper/

Neucoin user friendly online wallet with growth accounts - http://myneucoin.com

Neucoin desktop wallet for advanced users and minting - http://www.neucoin.org/en/download

Neucoin open source code - https://github.com/NeuCoin/neucoin

Neucoin on Cryptsy - https://www.cryptsy.com/markets/view/NEU_BTC

Neucoin on Bittrex - https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-NEU

Neucoin first of many game-like onboarding websites http://www.getneucoin.com

Neucoin official forum - http://forum.neucoin.org


If somebody doesn’t like Neucoin they are free not to invest or better create their own coin.

So many "experts" here and so little who actually do something real.
legendary
Activity: 1181
Merit: 1002
Foundations/team accounts growing quickly (in absolute as well as in relative terms). Bad distribution getting worse by the minute.

When can we get the promised list? (You could easily use the tag feature of neucoin.io)
[...]
Second, all NeuCoin tokens owned by the foundations, as well as all restricted NeuCoins (whether owned by founders, angel investors or service providers) will be held and mined in published addresses clearly visible and verifiable on the NeuCoin blockchain.
[...]

What are the cash needs?
Quote
Each year, the foundations’ goal is to sell sufficient NeuCoin tokens through private sales or exchanges to fund the following year’s cash needs

Will you hold the price stable at 0.000038ish?
If so for how long?

sr. member
Activity: 435
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Id likemthis free to try part.. So far i cannot ge any free coins
hero member
Activity: 798
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Crypto is King.
Are you still offering 1k neu for a review? I have some review information that may be of importance.
legendary
Activity: 1960
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I have a feeling they will try to float the price around the .00004 mark and claim how stable it is and hope that it will be of interest.
pretty boring.


They can do whatever they want to do with the price. What they can't: Distribute what they stake at the current price which would be worth > 300 BTC - every single day.

And if that is impossible, they have to explain why they thought it would be an appropriate price to sell 100 Mio Coins to the public and why they chose such an high inflation-rate.

But it's highly doubtful that they were able to distribute "just" the 100 Mio.
 
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
I have a feeling they will try to float the price around the .00004 mark and claim how stable it is and hope that it will be of interest.
pretty boring.
legendary
Activity: 1960
Merit: 1128
So Tempus - here's an idea. How about you register on the NeuCoin forum, write up a question about this inflation stuff, word it politely, keep it a reasonable length and factual, then post it there. Then see what the response is.

As for my previous post I think Rizzlarolla (NoCoin) and Gekko's (STFU) subsequent responses underline my point about this thread......



You can be sure that they read this thread. They know about the questions about the inflation and how to distribute it and so on. And as I said: They don't need to explain anything to me or anybody who didn't invest. But if they're honest and with best intention it should be their own intention to answer all those questions to those who bought their project and supports it. And it should be their own intention to be clear about it all because every project needs user-growth. And what they maybe call FUD... should be easy to reply if it's just FUD.

If I were a Project-Leader or CM I would instantly try to calm down my community with arguments. I would go into every discussion or even fight for that. If somebody is skilled in what he does, a real professional, and at the same time honest, that's absolutely no problem. With other words: It shouldn't need questions.

But at the same time: Those who bought should ask. Not people like me.

But if I would be invested that would be my questions:


1. Could you show the calculation for 1 year inflation?

2. What's the distribution-plan with all the brandnew coins? Could you show calculations for possible scenarios?

3. Is there currently any distribution besides the 100 Mio on the market you sold to the public?

4. Was it really sold to the public or did you buy into the ICO?

5. If > 1000 public investors invested in the ICO, where are the addresses? Because only 100 addresses holding more than just 3 billion coins in total and 99.79 % of the total.

6. What is already happening and will happen with the BTC you collected?

7. Please take a look at the ICO-Address and the out-transactions: Is that Coinmixing?
https://blockchain.info/address/3MrNuksZ1VePU3dGiSQFiouWerJUJgDkfH

8. Why isn't there any official block-explorer?

9. Do you believe in the current price and if yes, do you believe the market could cope with "just" what you stake?

10. If no, why did you choose such a high staking rate?

11. If no, why did you choose 0.00004 BTC as appropriate price to sell it to the public?

legendary
Activity: 1960
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Tempus your figures look correct to me.
Everyone has to do their own figures as nokoin will not publish.
Even published figures cannot be trusted.

How many nokoin will there be after 1 year?
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/technical-questions-and-clarifications/531/9

Speedbird,
"3bn coins at 100% annual interest will turn to 8bn in a year through compound interest. Unless I'm mistaken you'll get that if the coins stake approx. every 2 weeks. 100% per year is 4,166 percent per 2 weeks."

Kourosh, apr 19 "member of the NeuCoin team and author of the white paper"
"That's right, it's actually more often than every 2 weeks considering the decreasing interest rate. I can give you all the hypothesis if you're interested in knowing more."

oops, to near the truth, so, Kourosh better twist the figures,

Kourosh, apr 22 "member of the NeuCoin team and author of the white paper"
"I made a typo earlier (I edited the post), the number of coins after 1 year will be ~6.8 billion.
Let's take an example:
Imagine you buy ~$200 worth of NeuCoin at the presale, which will amount to roughly 20,000NEU.

You mine once at month 3:
New total = Old total + reward = 20,000 + 20,000 * 3/12 * 0.9593 ~ 24,797

You mine again at month 6:
New total = 24,797 + 24,797 * 3/12 * 0.9124 ~ 30,453

Again at month 9:
New total = 30,453 + 30,453 * 3/12 * 0.8675 ~ 37,057

And once more at month 12:
New total = 37,057 + 37,057 * 3/12 * 0.8245 ~ 44,695

Therefore, over one year since your rewards were compounded (how often they are compounded depends on how many coins you own), it's equivalent to a one time (44,695-20,000)/20,000~124% annual interest rate."
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/how-will-neucoins-be-mined-after-release/163/39

That is all I can find on the subject.
So Kourosh, member of the NeuCoin team and author of the white paper, deliberately misleads nokoiners.

He was correct first time. 8bn nokoin after 1 year. Not 6.8bn.
6.8bn calculated on compounding 20000 nokoin.

clearly and knowingly changed his answer, which was correct, to an answer that is wrong  Huh

nokoin team member deliberately misinforming.






The point about all this is: It really doesn't matter if it's 110%, 120%, 175%... Because in the end it's all about the market. And on the market are 100 Mio right now.

If there would be "just" 1 Mio new Coins per day it would mean 10 Mio in 10 days = 10% inflation out of market-perspective. 100% in 100 days.

And if that is too much for the market to hold it's value, why should there a 100%-inflation in 100 days?

But what we know is: They staked not just 10 Mio Coins in ten days but > 63 Mio Coins in 7 or 8 days.


The question is: Why stake this Coins if it would dump the price into oblivion?

Or with other words: Do they really believe in the price they sold their public-ICO for?

1. If yes: They obviously believe that their foundations and angel- and initial seed Investors are worth what they stake everyday. And that is more than 8 Mio Coins which would be worth 320 BTC. Each day! 9,600 BTC per month... (in fact it's more)

2. If no: If they don't believe that the > 8 Mio Coins are worth that... why did they sell it to that price to the public?


What they say is: They'll distribute that for the best of the project. But if they really believe in the price of 0.00004 BTC they have to distribute a value of 320 BTC each day or 3,200 BTC every ten days or 9,600 BTC each month = $2.28 Mio


But... fact is: All what they stake shouldn't reach the market. If they pay just one Game-Devs with Neucoin he wouldn't be able to sell it. Because it's no rocket-science that there won't be a 320BTC-demand to a 0.00004-price some day ....and every day.


So, the mysterious question is: Why did they chose such a high staking rate? Usually it's to motivate people to hold their coins. They give the impression of getting rich if they just hold it. At the same time they assure the people that all the coins in the background won't reach the market to give the impression of a small supply on the free market. And there are the "non-profit-foundation" ("non-profit" sounds really nice, right?) and just 2% of dumping every month of the angel and initial seed Investors and so on. That's the strategy... People should held their Coins because of the high-staking rate and have faith about the billions in the background and the price would have the potential to rise, if enough people would be blinded by all that and the big names behind it. Because the best argument is: "Look at the names, they're professionals! They know what they're doing, right?"

It's a project to blind people... I don't know what they are. Maybe they're complete unprofessional and naive. Maybe it's irrational greed. Maybe it's fraud. And I don't know if there should be an "or" or an "and" between those possibilities. ;-)
hero member
Activity: 812
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Torrgeek nokoin mod,
"As for me, I would use the online wallet as long as the fee is less than 1-2% of the coins staked."

James nokoin mod,
"I agree with you @torrgeek and since the staking is 100% for the first year and the POS is about low fees I'm certain the wallet staking fee will be reasonable if there is one. @Sandrine what is the fee going to be on the NeuCoin wallet for staking if there is even a fee?"

Yeah, 1-2% sounds ok Torgeek, James mod.

Sandrine,
"we're currently working on our communication documents around this, I'll get back to you asap on this subject. I'll give you an answer in the coming week."
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/neucoin-speculation/1209/23

No answer.

Quote

(scam confirmed)

The wallet operator retains

- 24.5 % of a growth account user's 3 MONTH account stake

- 28.4 % of a growth account user's 12 MONTH account stake


Oh.
A bit more than you expected mods?
hero member
Activity: 812
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So Tempus - here's an idea. How about you register on the NeuCoin forum, write up a question about this inflation stuff, word it politely, keep it a reasonable length and factual, then post it there. Then see what the response is.

As for my previous post I think Rizzlarolla (NoCoin) and Gekko's (STFU) subsequent responses underline my point about this thread......


16 posts all about me, gekko and scam.
No attempt to talk about anything.

Why don't you post on nokoin forum?
Because you have a different name there?


hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/investors-in-neucoin/1341

I got this answer from NEUCOIN:

When staking amounts like 10000 NEU you'll have much less than one percent chance of minting coins each day. So you could go months without minting coins, and you're not going to get such a compounding advantage as your calculations. You'll also have a lot of uncertainty, if you're unlucky it could be years before you mint coins. The good thing about the growth accounts is you're guaranteed to get coins.

That said I don't like the way the growth accounts work. It would be much better without different time periods. So you could transfer in and out coins when you want, and get paid rewards on a regular bases. Maybe someone else will implement a more user friendly growth account this way.

I would agree with this answer. We have discussed the matter earlier, it started here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11770834

The fact remains: Growth account rates are usury.
The problem remains: Growth account users lose due to usury and (ironically) the network‘s high minting participation rate.


it's Neucon, where the team earns and all others pay.
newbie
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So Tempus - here's an idea. How about you register on the NeuCoin forum, write up a question about this inflation stuff, word it politely, keep it a reasonable length and factual, then post it there. Then see what the response is.

As for my previous post I think Rizzlarolla (NoCoin) and Gekko's (STFU) subsequent responses underline my point about this thread......
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