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Topic: [ANN] OPENDIME v3 – Now *Genuine Verified* Bitcoin Credit Stick (in stock!) - page 3. (Read 16603 times)

legendary
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The part that scares me: If I plan to use it as a long term storage equipment, how I can be sure that the NAND flash will store the private key without loosing it as it could happen with a standard usb drive left in the drawer for a long time?

You can always unseal it and backup the private key.

I can also generate an offline seed and backup it on a uncompromised machine...

The point is: opendime, wonderful idea, but what about the long term security without exposing the private key?

You can't have both. It's either a never exposed private key or it has a backup.

Let me explain with a decent example. I don't know if you have already heard of the Ledger Nano. Basically in the setup process, the nano output once the seed to your computer (that is supposed to run a live distro), so you can have peace of mind even in the case that the nano is destroyed.

I know that the opendime is supposed to be a security token that you can pass to other users and cannot have this function, but the insecurity caused of random (and systematical in large production batches) malfunction is really a deal breaker to me.

However I wouldn't hide that the idea of testing one of them is really appealing, i like the concept!
nvK
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The part that scares me: If I plan to use it as a long term storage equipment, how I can be sure that the NAND flash will store the private key without loosing it as it could happen with a standard usb drive left in the drawer for a long time?

You can always unseal it and backup the private key.

I can also generate an offline seed and backup it on a uncompromised machine...

The point is: opendime, wonderful idea, but what about the long term security without exposing the private key?

You can't have both. It's either a never exposed private key or it has a backup.
legendary
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The part that scares me: If I plan to use it as a long term storage equipment, how I can be sure that the NAND flash will store the private key without loosing it as it could happen with a standard usb drive left in the drawer for a long time?

You can always unseal it and backup the private key.

I can also generate an offline seed and backup it on a uncompromised machine...

The point is: opendime, wonderful idea, but what about the long term security without exposing the private key?

I would never accept an opendime as a payment, cause is basically a deteriorable asset
nvK
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The part that scares me: If I plan to use it as a long term storage equipment, how I can be sure that the NAND flash will store the private key without loosing it as it could happen with a standard usb drive left in the drawer for a long time?

You can always unseal it and backup the private key.
legendary
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The part that scares me: If I plan to use it as a long term storage equipment, how I can be sure that the NAND flash will store the private key without loosing it as it could happen with a standard usb drive left in the drawer for a long time?
nvK
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All shipped.

V2 now in Stock!
nvK
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when do these ship?

We are planing to start shipping units mid march.
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nvK
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Hello.

Here is the Release Candidate for Opendime v2 and a White-paper draft.

https://github.com/opendime/opendime/tree/master/v2

Feedback welcomed!

Thanks
nvK
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The only issue I have with the devices (and I have some Opendimes) is that once you get the Private Key by breaking the seal, you have to import the keys into another real wallet, and apparently some wallets (HD?) will not allow importing Private Keys...  Am I wrong on this? 

Electrum and Copay have no issues sweeping the private key from an Opendime.

Question:

Once the hole is popped , It can still be used as a wallet  , funding and withdrawing multi times at will ...??  correct...


Technically yes. If you deposit again, it's just a private key you control. You can re-sweep it.
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Question:

Once the hole is popped , It can still be used as a wallet  , funding and withdrawing multi times at will ...??  correct...

I wonder if NFC could be incorporated into these in the future....
legendary
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The new version 2 looks very nice, I will order some in due course.  It really looks great!

But, I have an observation: Opendime is already more than half way there to being a hardware wallet.  Yes, I understand the "bearer bond" nature of the Opendime, but perhaps the time should come soon for an Opendime Hardware Wallet.  I like the idea very much of simplicity and a cheap device.

The only issue I have with the devices (and I have some Opendimes) is that once you get the Private Key by breaking the seal, you have to import the keys into another real wallet, and apparently some wallets (HD?) will not allow importing Private Keys...  Am I wrong on this? 

Perhaps a +/- $20 Opendime Wallet that is is simple and cheap would be a great seller.  Even if the device would only be used once or just a few times, a real wallet would likely be of interest to me.
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Jon Matonis compare these to bearer bonds with plausible deniability. I agree
nvK
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Very interesting technology!

Any idea when the next lot will be available?  Would love to have a dig into this!

The next batch is planned for late February, but we are taking pre-orders Smiley
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Very interesting technology!

Any idea when the next lot will be available?  Would love to have a dig into this!
nvK
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ULTRA SECURE: The private key is generated inside the device, and is never known to any human, not even you!

So what happens when you "Damage" the device? and do not have the key?

Funds lost forever??

How Is the device protected?

Is the source code (open source) or has the code been reviewed by anyone?

Looks a interesting product but not knowing the private key.. That could become problematic.

I noticed you said that a hacker would have to spent $100's to do any digging into the device. In the world of cybercrime we live in these days there are many reversing / hacking groups out there. a few 100 $ is not a lot to work out how to hack a hardware bitcoin wallet. You must always think there is someone smarter with a bigger budget round the corner reversing your work.




- 100's of thousands to digg into a single device
 
a good video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypQHc3EQVfE and FAQ here https://opendime.com/faq
newbie
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ULTRA SECURE: The private key is generated inside the device, and is never known to any human, not even you!

So what happens when you "Damage" the device? and do not have the key?

Funds lost forever??

How Is the device protected?

Is the source code (open source) or has the code been reviewed by anyone?

Looks a interesting product but not knowing the private key.. That could become problematic.

I noticed you said that a hacker would have to spent $100's to do any digging into the device. In the world of cybercrime we live in these days there are many reversing / hacking groups out there. a few 100 $ is not a lot to work out how to hack a hardware bitcoin wallet. You must always think there is someone smarter with a bigger budget round the corner reversing your work.


hero member
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So is there going to be some sort of boxing day sale just like what you got for black friday?
Might be interested in getting one of these then if can be had for some bits off. Grin
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