Topic: [ANN] [$PAC] [X11] Community Governed | Masternodes | Actively Trading - page 7. (Read 43261 times)

I'm wondering, did you have put up a DAO to give us chance to vote YES or NO to:
- the steal... sorry... to make the community pac project your own private project (Company)?
- the centralization... oupsss sorry... the 'freeze' of 1B coins?
- the mint of 0.7B new coins?

And btw... IF someone put up a DAO and Drew disagree with this DAO, how could we know he will not use his 1723 votes against the DAO. You morrons literaly give Pac project to the narcissistic DREW...

RIP decentralized PAC...
Welcome to the new Drew's (aka Kadhafi) controlled blockchain.

As posted in the PAC Global discord server by Drew Saunders, PAC Global CEO just over 12 hours ago:

"
PAC Global LLC is proud to release our Network Optimization Update! You can find Windows, MAC, and Linux builds at our Official Github link below. Special thanks to our lead developer Barry Styles for working around the clock to bring us the first ever PoS based blockchain with Deterministic Masternodes. This accomplishment makes PAC Global 100% unique and ahead of the space in reliability, security, and speed while also performing extremely economy friendly. PAC Global is ready for the future, and is ready for whatever usage our network brings!

Please update as soon as possible both wallet and Masternode if you run one.  The exact block height scheduled for the fork is (362250).

https://github.com/PACGlobalOfficial/PAC/releases/tag/035d4df02
"

I have following additional information to share:

1. The update is fairly easy to perform: the relevant four files found in the newest packages have to be used to replace existing files used on the desktop wallet side (and the VPS wallet if you have masternodes). No rebuilding index or anything else should be necessary, at least when upgrading from the last build (and not from older 0.12.x ones).

2. CryptoBridge and Graviex exchanges have updated their wallets already. The CryptoBridge has also reduced the number of confirmations needed to deposit PAC to 20, whereas the p2pb2b.io has reduced it to 10 (but is still in process of updating). At least one 3rd party masternode service (ez-mn.net) is already working on updates as well. I estimate we should reach fork block in roughly 6 days. As it is to be expected, the fork will reset the masternode payment cycle.

3. The automated masternode (for VPS) upgrade script is yet to become available - manual update is possible as described above, in the point 1.

4. For Ubuntu 18.04 LTS version (and some older ones), please use the legacy Linux version of the wallet. One needs the newest Ubuntu version for the standard Linux wallet version.

If you need further help, please join the PAC Global discord server (invite https://discord.gg/Bx2HKfy) and make use of the different support channels available there.

take advantage of graviex without commissions for christmass 

The blockchain is not "ours", not yours, his, mine, it is just there. That is the essence of cryptocurrencies - while the existing blockchains cannot be altered, deleted, claimed or anything else (until they are completely abandoned), their future is not written in stone and can be modified, if open sourced like PAC Global project is, by anyone - and here is the key part - being ready to invest effort/time/funds to do so.
PAC Global team does not control any exchanges - they are 3rd party services. PAC Global team, like any other project, is paying the exchanges to upgrade their PAC wallets when the time comes. If you would offer to pay the exchanges to stay at the current protocol / move to another protocol of yours, they would (most likely that is, PAC Global team does not control them!) listen, like it already happened with Bitcoin Cash. I have not said that forking away is easy or for free - it is clear as a day that forking away means starting your own project with your own funding plan. With that said, the key is that you do not have to ask anyone for permission to do so; moreover, no person can prevent you from doing it.
In any case, if you are convinced that PAC Global team is not doing things the right way, you have three options - step out of the project or try to put up DAO proposal(s) which effectively repair the things going wrong or take the lead and show you can do it better (= fork away). The latter obviously means you need to have a plan on how to fund it all, and most likely a critical mass of PAC / masternode owners to back you up.

lol. Take us a fools. Will you let us control of the exchanges? You fork so take your new blockchain and go start a new coins and don't ask exchanges to update to your chain. It is OUR blockchain so OUR exchanges.
Try something else Cookiess...

Well, lol, anyone clearly not agreeing with you on this or other subjects is a scammer, am I understanding you correctly?
Please be reminded that for a proper investigation you need to be unbiased, whereas you have already made your mind up when it comes to PAC. With such an approach, you will likely find "evidence" of misconduct no matter what the truth is.
I still do not understand why you are against all available possibilities to fight scammers. The authorities will not budge much if someone steals you 100 or even 10000 USD, that is true - they will move though if you provide enough evidence that a large scale event with hundreds or thousands of people involved / affected and much higher amounts of money is taking / has taken place: you are claiming exactly that. In any case, you may do as you wish, I have never said you should stop going after what you think is right. Ideally, though, you should present the case when you have gathered all information and after you are done with your investigations, not indications and individual interpretations in the middle of it. These final results should be presented to the authorities and not only to the public.

Also, as mentioned above: no, PAC is not centralised since it is a DAO/masternode blockchain based project. That means, among other things, that anyone can fork away and do their own thing with it.

You are just a manipulator saying "No authorities! No scam!" while you perfectly know it is hard to arrest scammers in the crypto because it is wild west.
And your behavior convinced me you are involved personaly in this scam cookiess. People not being punished doesn't mean they are not scamming, otherwise the world will be 100% safety. Yes I report everything to authorities, their answer most of the time is "thanks for reporting, we will investigate". Even CMC.
And Now you are playing the dictator's game, basically "You want safety! Let us take control of everything"... Security against freedom.
That's what you are saying!

The fact is "PAC IS CENTRALIZED NOW".

I will not waste my time debating with you Cookiess, as I have noticed you are in bad faith. I prefer to continue my investigations.
Some good news soon...

What are you taking about? If masternode owners do not want to go through this update, they can either stay on the current protocol or organise and fork away differently. If a majority of masternodes would decide against it (regardless of what exchanges would do), Drew and the PAC Global team would have no chance of having a working network of any size after this (or any other) fork. Hence, people decide, foremost the masternode owners decide what is "allowed" or not to be done with the PAC Global network, not Drew, the team, me or you.
So, from previous discussions you seem not to want report scammers to the authorities and you do not agree with excluding scammers from the network... what do you propose to do then about them?

BTW... Did not the team said, during discussion about reducing the total coins, they will never touch the coin design because it is "against the concept of crypto".
And now you allowed yourself to generate 0.7B new coins. What's next?
You look like more and more like a scam, since Drew is the CEO. I would really advise you to be careful with that.
You recall me Povilas scheme:

Are you saying that you are about to take control of wallets and coins? 
Are you fucking serious?
Is Drew the dictator want also to take control and centralize the blockchain?
Lot of red flags are rising day after day from Pac project.

Of course it was/is not. Before one goes into explanation of it, for everyone to be on the same page, the outline of the next upgrade can be found here:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373842836862533632/646050211617177600/PAC_Global_-_Network_Update_Nov_17_2019_Final-2-1.pdf

To quote Drew Saunders (PAC Global CEO) as stated on the PAC Global discord server:

"The 700 mil PAC is not for a one month budget. The document above clearly states the reason we need these funds. We cannot be working and trying to grow PAC on a month to month PAC salary and have to risk either A.) Super block not paying out B.) funds running dry mid month. It's not safe or smart business. We will still use the superblock for operational expenses, but it would be to reimburse the 700 mil we would already have at our expense. Keeping the cup full so to speak while we fund operations via BTC and fiat."

and then further:

"We will be as transparent as our budget requests have been every month. If you have noticed all our budget requests have been to REIMBURSE what we already spent via fiat and BTC the month before. This is the case going forward as well. We do not request what we do not use. Spend fiat/btc/pac first.. request a refill after clear breakdowns like our props have been.
We consistently have opportunities that arise that we consider on a moment's notice. When a superblock is only once a months, sure it is good for reimbursement and smaller projects. But core operational expenses? Not at all."

As for the over 1 billion PAC being "burned" with the same upgrade:

"The 1 billion + coins being "burned" or "removed" from the network are coins that we discovered while doing intense investigation. Exchanges that refuse to update to PAC Global, exchanges that have been hacked, scammer activity addresses, 51% attack activity addresses, all of these have been compiled together and in the update release it effectively bans them and their coins from EVER interacting on the chain again. They cannot send coins, cannot make Masternodes, cannot vote on proposals or impact our markets in any way. Bad actors CAN be disciplined in crypto. This is not a world where criminals can get away with stealing."

A number of other themes have been and are being discussed in the PAC Global discord server.

For any inquiries please feel free to contact Drew at: [email protected]

For support please contact:
[email protected]

Waouw... 700 Millions $PAC generated for the team. 
Was this on the white paper?

Al do this job for half that. n just incase you can't count thats £3500.  feel free to private msg me. I can also put plaster on for £200 a day

Big lolz, this is what happens when crypto Kids go at it. I bailed from this coin weeks ago because of the bull/scamyness. But looking at the price today, I was wrong, very wrong lol. primary school children obviously help the price of crypto's.

Well, I do not know what to say, but you are simply spreading wrong information mixed in with some truths almost every day. A few pieces of information on various subjects you mentioned:

1. Back to your example from before on how PR / marketing sections of any serious companies have to be using undeniable truths (i.e., "never EVER used any fake data"):
In the country where I live (in the top 20 countries in the world according to the different rankings, 7th apparently when it comes to the justice system), every so often you have commercials from the two major Internet/Cable TV/Mobile providers: they claim that if you become their customer that you will be a part of largest/best/best awarded network in the country. Well, one of them is lying, since only one can be the best network. And when you look under the hood, what you see that they each got some rewards in "independent" tests from various sources in various years. This is deceiving at its best, pure lying at its worst (since only the newest data should count, and not awards from previous years). Is that "normal"? Well, yes, it is - simply, that is marketing today. Do I like it myself? I personally do not, but it is not illegal nor uncommon.

2. Please try calling any serious company with any type of "facts" you might have as liars or scammers. Either you will get ignored by them or will get sued for it. Also, try asking them to show you their degrees - either they have shown them already or they will not show them. Moreover, a degree is not a guarantee nor a prerequisite for a person being successful at what he/she is doing.

3. The current CMO of PAC Global, as far as I know, is not a mechanical engineer as you claim it. But, again, a degree is not a guarantee nor a prerequisite for a person being successful at what he/she is doing.

4. The shareholders of PAC Global network are masternode owners. Masternode owners can decide on any proposal put up there (by them). The update, which was just announced to be coming in the next days, should make it easier to put up new proposals and vote on them. Have you put up any proposals to change anything?

5. Creating a company to back PAC Global team/project efforts does not interfere with masternode owners power to steer the development of the network / project.

Is any of other coins / PAC Global network perfect? No, if it would be, there would be no need for any updates/upgrades. As long as the network is working in general and being developed / patched for discovered issues, one is doing fine.

So you think the new team are not liars?
Did they ask you your opinion before making this "community project" a Private company? Did they just told you anything about this project?
No!
This is what happened: You woke up one morning and find that pac is now a company.... Already started American company. They did everything secretly.
They discussed about it secretly... Created a company secretly... And then told us "Surprise! Pac is now a company"
I am wondering who are the shareholders of this company? What if tomorrow they decide to sell all PACs of the superblock and run away with the money?
Do you feel secure now?
And btw... few weeks ago you asked Brad to show you his degree, right? What about asking the same to the new team?
 

Brad, You insulted the good people you worked with.
You complain that they did not give you money,
you already forgot about your proposal of 16.5 million PAC every month.
You constantly complained and did nothing, you received £ 7,000 a month for reposting on Twitter and creating a white paper design?
You are from the old team,
from the team of liars and scammers.
Nobody loves you,
and all will remember you as a person who was kicked out in disgrace, as a scammer.

So, One team member run away with about 60 Million of $PAC. That's lot of money... 
And of course, a new fork is coming. Why? Because the blockchain is flawed. The superblock didn't pay out and that triggered the team.
And above all, no website anymore. Again why? Because of the spoiled child and giving in to his impulsive nature, make mess everywhere. I have already seen incompetency in my life, but never at this level. Drew has not even a bit of sense of diplomacy and have a lack of tact. Managing conflict is an art, not everyone can do that, this makes the difference between a good and a bad manager/CEO. And, like every teenager, he has not learnt the lesson. But let's see.

Lol 
Hey Maciej.
What happened to your fantastic website? Scam exit or what?