Positive projects get the occasional fud from people trying to manipulate prices /value.
What's happening here (in my view) is just people being called idiots and other insults by the project team told be quiet after investing.
That's not fud in the normal sense of the term. It's genuine concern that money is lost or being handled by people that haven't proved they qualify to handle that kind of cash.
Where is the rest of the team while all this goes on? Seems like a one man band from my experience!
Topic: [ANN] [PRE-SALE 30% BONUS] MASS Token - Masternode And Staking Service - page 10. (Read 29225 times)
August 25, 2017, 06:29:42 PM
August 25, 2017, 06:21:40 PM
It's clear that those two clowns BigBob.. and Hoedown25 are on the same team or even the same person and that they are trying to sabotage the project. They are obviously not real people who have invested in the project but only here to troll and spread FUD.
Just look at their names one is here to Bash and the other is trying to Hoe down this project.
I have both ignored but if people react to them I still see them spewing their venom.
Just look at their names one is here to Bash and the other is trying to Hoe down this project.
I have both ignored but if people react to them I still see them spewing their venom.
For the record, I don't know Bob.
I joined yesterday after being muted and thus being prevented from any communication with the team that has my ether so took to the next most appropriate channel to get my ethers worth of grievance aired in a last ditch effort of getting some substantive answers. The official response from the mass team was that I must be "buthurt" whatever that means.
I'm just pissed off that some kids have scammed me for ether. Telegram is full of soft porn gifs and chat about world of warcraft. I'm bitter that I didn't see it earlier but never used it before.
This is going to go down either as the biggest refund of ether from an ico (and therefore waste of time and money) or worse than chain coin the day it gets into a minor exchange.
Read telegram.... Some people are using the term "moon" but day they are in it long-term.....gonna be a fire sale...
August 25, 2017, 06:10:23 PM
It's clear that those two clowns BigBob.. and Hoedown25 are on the same team or even the same person and that they are trying to sabotage the project. They are obviously not real people who have invested in the project but only here to troll and spread FUD.
Just look at their names one is here to Bash and the other is trying to Hoe down this project.
I have both ignored but if people react to them I still see them spewing their venom.
I dont need to "spread fud"... The mass team is doing a fine job themselves by taking a month to figure out legal details, and by dropoing one liners on their announcement page. I dont understand what you all dont get. Just look at their names one is here to Bash and the other is trying to Hoe down this project.
I have both ignored but if people react to them I still see them spewing their venom.
August 25, 2017, 05:19:57 PM
It's clear that those two clowns BigBob.. and Hoedown25 are on the same team or even the same person and that they are trying to sabotage the project. They are obviously not real people who have invested in the project but only here to troll and spread FUD.
Just look at their names one is here to Bash and the other is trying to Hoe down this project.
I have both ignored but if people react to them I still see them spewing their venom.
Just look at their names one is here to Bash and the other is trying to Hoe down this project.
I have both ignored but if people react to them I still see them spewing their venom.
August 25, 2017, 04:38:49 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-price-security-equity-sec-2017-7
Can we ask the lawyers for an update please?
Doesn't look like any way of avoiding classification as a security at some point. If not now, then in the future it seems clear that mass will be caught by the Howey test which is apparently a key test.
I think a date to call refunds for all, exclusion & refund of U.S. Citizens only or ico and launch would be good at this stage. September starts next week.
Shame to see ether sitting there doing nothing. (apart from increase in value)
Thanks
Cant just refund us ppl.. No way of knowing who all are... Like ive been saying last 10 pages. Only way to do this is refund EVERYONES money and start over. Can we ask the lawyers for an update please?
Doesn't look like any way of avoiding classification as a security at some point. If not now, then in the future it seems clear that mass will be caught by the Howey test which is apparently a key test.
I think a date to call refunds for all, exclusion & refund of U.S. Citizens only or ico and launch would be good at this stage. September starts next week.
Shame to see ether sitting there doing nothing. (apart from increase in value)
Thanks
Fair enough. That would do!
It seems really clear cut so not sure why the hold up for the lawyers.
I was fairly annoyed yesterday, but after a day off calming down, I think I'm clear that I just want out of this pipe dream.
Will only end in a refund in January 2018 with nothing but time wasted I reckon.
Not cool what you're trying to do here. Complaining about the Mass team even though they have offered you a refund which you won't accept and now you are in the "Mass tokens" thread trying to promoting a different project.
The Mass team should contact the Helium team to get this guy disqualified from the signature campaign. He's just making the Helium project look bad by trolling the competition.
August 25, 2017, 02:37:21 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-price-security-equity-sec-2017-7
Can we ask the lawyers for an update please?
Doesn't look like any way of avoiding classification as a security at some point. If not now, then in the future it seems clear that mass will be caught by the Howey test which is apparently a key test.
I think a date to call refunds for all, exclusion & refund of U.S. Citizens only or ico and launch would be good at this stage. September starts next week.
Shame to see ether sitting there doing nothing. (apart from increase in value)
Thanks
Cant just refund us ppl.. No way of knowing who all are... Like ive been saying last 10 pages. Only way to do this is refund EVERYONES money and start over. Can we ask the lawyers for an update please?
Doesn't look like any way of avoiding classification as a security at some point. If not now, then in the future it seems clear that mass will be caught by the Howey test which is apparently a key test.
I think a date to call refunds for all, exclusion & refund of U.S. Citizens only or ico and launch would be good at this stage. September starts next week.
Shame to see ether sitting there doing nothing. (apart from increase in value)
Thanks
Fair enough. That would do!
It seems really clear cut so not sure why the hold up for the lawyers.
I was fairly annoyed yesterday, but after a day off calming down, I think I'm clear that I just want out of this pipe dream.
Will only end in a refund in January 2018 with nothing but time wasted I reckon.
August 25, 2017, 02:30:24 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-price-security-equity-sec-2017-7
Can we ask the lawyers for an update please?
Doesn't look like any way of avoiding classification as a security at some point. If not now, then in the future it seems clear that mass will be caught by the Howey test which is apparently a key test.
I think a date to call refunds for all, exclusion & refund of U.S. Citizens only or ico and launch would be good at this stage. September starts next week.
Shame to see ether sitting there doing nothing. (apart from increase in value)
Thanks
Cant just refund us ppl.. No way of knowing who all are... Like ive been saying last 10 pages. Only way to do this is refund EVERYONES money and start over. Can we ask the lawyers for an update please?
Doesn't look like any way of avoiding classification as a security at some point. If not now, then in the future it seems clear that mass will be caught by the Howey test which is apparently a key test.
I think a date to call refunds for all, exclusion & refund of U.S. Citizens only or ico and launch would be good at this stage. September starts next week.
Shame to see ether sitting there doing nothing. (apart from increase in value)
Thanks
August 25, 2017, 02:12:54 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-price-security-equity-sec-2017-7
Can we ask the lawyers for an update please?
Doesn't look like any way of avoiding classification as a security at some point. If not now, then in the future it seems clear that mass will be caught by the Howey test which is apparently a key test.
I think a date to call refunds for all, exclusion & refund of U.S. Citizens only or ico and launch would be good at this stage. September starts next week.
Shame to see ether sitting there doing nothing. (apart from increase in value)
Thanks
Can we ask the lawyers for an update please?
Doesn't look like any way of avoiding classification as a security at some point. If not now, then in the future it seems clear that mass will be caught by the Howey test which is apparently a key test.
I think a date to call refunds for all, exclusion & refund of U.S. Citizens only or ico and launch would be good at this stage. September starts next week.
Shame to see ether sitting there doing nothing. (apart from increase in value)
Thanks
August 25, 2017, 01:09:58 PM
How about we keep it productive instead of trolling, those invested don't wanna read an extra 10 pages of shit to read what's going on with their investment 👍
Productivity is the teams responsibility. Being evasive and not communicating effectively with the investors on a regular informative basis on the announcements page is how the team likes to be productive. 1. Get a job
2. Don't invest more than you can afford to lose
Number 2 is critical, because if you invest more, you will turn full retard in bct.
August 25, 2017, 12:08:56 PM
How about we keep it productive instead of trolling, those invested don't wanna read an extra 10 pages of shit to read what's going on with their investment 👍
Productivity is the teams responsibility. Being evasive and not communicating effectively with the investors on a regular informative basis on the announcements page is how the team likes to be productive. 1. Get a job
2. Don't invest more than you can afford to lose
Number 2 is critical, because if you invest more, you will turn full retard in bct.
August 25, 2017, 07:50:53 AM
How about we keep it productive instead of trolling, those invested don't wanna read an extra 10 pages of shit to read what's going on with their investment 👍
Productivity is the teams responsibility. Being evasive and not communicating effectively with the investors on a regular informative basis on the announcements page is how the team likes to be productive. August 25, 2017, 07:22:34 AM
Well bigbob. After that vitriolic post that has no constructive content whatsoever you pretty much confirmed for me you are miko goat.
No wonder you don't want to be brought out of your position. You just want to talk crap.
How's your bch tokens bro?
No wonder you don't want to be brought out of your position. You just want to talk crap.
How's your bch tokens bro?
August 25, 2017, 06:41:35 AM
i know some people dont want the us to participate but we need their money in crypto id rather the project evolve slowly with a good legal understanding than just blast off into concrete walls
August 25, 2017, 05:50:34 AM
How about we keep it productive instead of trolling, those invested don't wanna read an extra 10 pages of shit to read what's going on with their investment 👍
August 25, 2017, 04:07:00 AM
So dev how much have we raise with the presale and how much do we need for the ico? can we shorten the ico period now that its been delay?
August 24, 2017, 09:58:54 PM
Confirmed as yak or close friend!
I'll admit, I am upset. Firstly for being poorly treated in the playground by bullies. Secondly for having some obtuse stranger call me a lunatic, idiot and a liar. Thirdly for having been sold the wrong project plan. Fair reason I reckon. No?
Ran many much more complex projects to wider audiences than this. Learned my trade (getting dogs abuse face to face and on the phone) before I got the chance to do so, and thus do a good job looking after my clients now.
Never let someone cut their teeth on the most public and important projects. Pressure is too much and people snap easy.
Good luck!
I don't know who wankle is, tho they may be a friend, I am not sure what their other aliases are. TBH they just sound like a person that isn't butthurt for being muted. (you were never banned)
August 24, 2017, 08:04:59 PM
Confirmed as yak or close friend!
I'll admit, I am upset. Firstly for being poorly treated in the playground by bullies. Secondly for having some obtuse stranger call me a lunatic, idiot and a liar. Thirdly for having been sold the wrong project plan. Fair reason I reckon. No?
Ran many much more complex projects to wider audiences than this. Learned my trade (getting dogs abuse face to face and on the phone) before I got the chance to do so, and thus do a good job looking after my clients now.
Never let someone cut their teeth on the most public and important projects. Pressure is too much and people snap easy.
Good luck!
I don't know who wankle is, tho they may be a friend, I am not sure what their other aliases are. TBH they just sound like a person that isn't butthurt for being muted. (you were never banned)
August 24, 2017, 08:03:06 PM
Im sure it has to do with vague regulations and not a lot of lawyers with knowledge to navigate them
What does? Oh you mean the delay.. yea.. There are actually a few seminars regarding it coming up in the USA for lawyers.
August 24, 2017, 07:52:22 PM
Jeez what a mess
August 24, 2017, 04:51:55 PM
Just been muted on telegram because another user got abuse for pointing out that the mass team can't hold onto investor funds indefinitely and I helped validate their point.
(standard arguments on telegram due to people being foolish and asking for guidance or information on when they might see ico, pre-sale, a bit of roi or get refunded... )
The other user was banned also.
After calling investors stupid, sensoring and patronising anyone that asks a reasonable question about the money they have invested, I'm not impressed at all.
No dates means indefinitely! As I pointed out on telegram and got muted for.
Not my fault you're lawyers aren't great and you don't know how to handle questions from investors!
(standard arguments on telegram due to people being foolish and asking for guidance or information on when they might see ico, pre-sale, a bit of roi or get refunded... )
The other user was banned also.
After calling investors stupid, sensoring and patronising anyone that asks a reasonable question about the money they have invested, I'm not impressed at all.
No dates means indefinitely! As I pointed out on telegram and got muted for.
Not my fault you're lawyers aren't great and you don't know how to handle questions from investors!
You came on there demanding an update, which you were given. It took at least 7 people to get you to understand that they are waiting to hear back from legal. They are currently waiting to hear from their legal team on proceeding with the ICO.
I did not thank you!!
My name is hootnanny on telegram. Read my comments!
I said they should just say no U.S investors and that I find lawyers slow and expensive.
Didn't ask for an update once! I got scolded the first time I asked so just passively been watching yak rip others to shreds!
Your obviously one of the blind supporters that are all like "ahhhh it's all so understandable".
It's not! I've not asked more than once for an update a few weeks ago but yak is losing it so muted me and probably anyone else that wonders what is going on our even just doesn't kiss his a**
I read your comments when you were there. Its not just the US, Singapore is also affected. If you would read whats going on with crypto, regulations, and not have such a greedy narrow minded approach to it, perhaps you would understand that the type of crypto that MASS is will be affected (dividends/staking). They are trying to proceed in the safest way possible. would you rather they got shut down after the ICO and then your tokens are gone? No, i dont think so. Things happen with any business and there will be setbacks. Clearly you invested more than you should have and now you are panicking.
So to confirm,
You made a false statement that I came on ranting and raving for an update! You read my comments at the time I made them so came on here to lie about my perfectly valid complaint. I.e. Attack my character
You're also no insinuating that I must be an idiot that doesn't understand business and has blown the rent on a speculative punt at becoming a millionaire overnight. I.e. Attack my character
Get a grip!
My investment was calculated based on statements and facts I understood at the time of completing due diligence and investing.
Problem is those facts were not really facts and after gathering up everyone's ether, the team now want us to sit on our hands and trust them blindly.
Of course I'm not in the habit of throwing money away so want to try help suggest ways this can move forward or at least hear why they aren't doing what many people think is a reasonable way to move forward.
Yes but a savvy investor such as yourself, knows how risky crypto is. You know that things happen, there are hacks, regulations, setbacks etc. Right? In all of your due diligence, never once did you factor in that team updates might be negated by the next one? If you didnt do this, then you probably shouldnt be investing. And yes, you were demanding an update, but had you done your "due diligence" on the Telegram chat and merely scrolled up a bit, you would have seen that your question was answered quite a few times, by many people like you wanting an update. Had you read the pinned post and seen that there was no update since the last one, you would have had your answer too
You're vexing me now so last word I'm going to respond to your comments.
I've left the telegram chat now so can't screen shot my comments but at no point did I am for an update.
Don't patronise me like yak does to everyone "savvy investor". I'm not a flipping mind reader! I took the team at their word.
I'm holding a bit of eos (probably get bashed for that too eh) and am perfectly happy with the investment as I understand my investment and as of yet, no deadlines have been missed. I can wait till next year as it has been explained on the eos website that it'll not be before then I see much happen.
I'm also into safex and have no issues (unlike countless others) when the wallet was late and therefore chille will be late. There were sufficient updates, reasonable explanations and actually a video to help me understand what was going on.
I researched everything available on mass before investing including linked in and other sources to review the team behind it. Unfortunately for me, personality tests are not easy on the Internet! (don't forget, my complaint here was purely an unfair mute on telegram...until you've wound me the hell up - could you be yak on a different account?? )
No faith! Can't wait to get out of it and put the whole thing behind me.
I'm off to forget about this for a few months then hope I have some semblance of my investment left to get back.
My position in mass is officially waiting to be closed out!
Trying to compare ICO's is ridiculous. None of them are run exactly the same and ALLLLLL of them have had issues in one way or another. Things never go as planned despite best efforts to do so. The team wants MASS to succeed just as much as their investors do. I hope someday everyone who is complaining get the chance to start their own business and then they will understand. I also hope you get a difficult person that will show you exactly the way you are acting now
Confirmed as yak or close friend!
I'll admit, I am upset. Firstly for being poorly treated in the playground by bullies. Secondly for having some obtuse stranger call me a lunatic, idiot and a liar. Thirdly for having been sold the wrong project plan. Fair reason I reckon. No?
Ran many much more complex projects to wider audiences than this. Learned my trade (getting dogs abuse face to face and on the phone) before I got the chance to do so, and thus do a good job looking after my clients now.
Never let someone cut their teeth on the most public and important projects. Pressure is too much and people snap easy.
Good luck!
Clearly you're upset, which is probably an everyday occurence for you. Yes crypto is stressful. Oh you've run complex projects? Never had setbacks on those projects? How annoyed would you get with your clients when they would ask you questions that you had already explained to them, sometimes more than once? Now picture every single one of your clients demanding answers all at once when you have already explained it to them, would you be upset, perhaps frustrated?
No one gets "annoyed" with their clients, they pay us money, and we deliver to them what we say we would, not take their money and then tell em to fuck off when its a month later and they wonder whats going on. Mass and all your fanboys are clueless.
When you invest in a company, their setbacks become yours. Thats why you have to be able to deal with risk and setbacks, which apparently, you are not able to do
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