Topic: [ANN] Qora | Released 16 May | 100% POS | New Source - page 134. (Read 748249 times)

I think we need to have a BTC + Qora bounty.

We need to make it a open contest.

We offer a decent prize and the top 3 entries get a bounty as voted by the community. This will allow the devs to be as creative as they like.

Just a few comments.

Am I correct in saying that NXT has not always been open source. My understanding is that it's been in and out of open/close source while specific features are being developed. Personally I have no problem with Qora being closed source at this point, or any coin remaining closed source for certain periods of time. There are already wolves at the gate, waiting to pounce on the code! It's just smart to stay closed until the coin is at a certain stage of development and has gained some market share.

Arbitrary Transactions is now available. The API has been released. This would be a great time for some developers to start creating their own projects using Qora.  Could community funds be used for bounty projects, or for paid Qora development?  Not talking about core development, but projects built on top of Qora. Perhaps a competition or hackathon for Qora projects could be promoted. That would kill two birds with one stone, increased visibility, plus new features for Qora!

We need to alleviate some of the uncertainty for developers who are on the fence about involving themselves with this coin. Nobody wants to invest a ton of time into something that could fall flat on it's face. Paying developers, rewarding with bounties, or competition winnings at least give devs something for their efforts in the short term. If they are not comfortable with Qora they can sell them for BTC and walk away, or they can continue on with Qora. There is no reason for Qora not to have solid developers working in the community.

Qora, the developer, allows for community voting on core features. Likewise, the marketing committee should begin taking suggestions for projects built on top of Qora, put those suggestions to a vote, and allocate community funds to pay a developer to build them.

Any thoughts on this?


Regards,
spaw

Surely once Qora has implemented most of the work in a month or two then we can look at a SC release. Because then anyone who wants to clone Qora will have to do a lot of work to get to that point.

Then we have to release even if like NXT they did it in a sneaky way with flaws. I recommend not copying NXT in any way and releasing it fully.

Clones 99% of the time never over take the original and often help them. The only reason people are interested in Kora is its was FREE!!

How do you think Kora would do on an exchange?

I do agree Qora needs a head start but it will only help Qora once released. I worry that they leave it too late and are overrun by 'similar' coins like NEM and NXTL.

I think Qora should do AE and some wallet stuff then go open source. Within the next two months at least.

I expect the biggest reason it hasn't been at this point is Kora. I expect Qora doesn't feel that someone else should profit from his work. Although Kora is giving a stake to Qora, it's probably not enough.

I am a NXTer and QORA holder. My main problem is that qora is still closed source. People I trust looked at NXT and said that the code was pretty much bulletproof, a thing I can't say for QORA.

Not that I dislike QORA because of that, but I wouldn't call QORA innovative when all we know the code could be completely broken on logical levels..

No one said you cant like both I just said I didn't like NXT.  Do we have to like using everything?



But almost no Qora supporters are against NXT its just NXT user were the one who often stated that Qora didnt add to the already innovative NXT.
My point was dig a bit deeper then that idea is a little flawed.


Problem is no one wants to address that cause unfortunately most involved in Qora actually would prefer NXT to succeed than Qora. Most here are NXT'ers first and Qora fans second. Its hard to get any real strong support of Qora.

It is common sense to some but not to others. I think many people feel that crypto is a zero sum game. One coin must do poorly for another to do well. I don't think this is the case at all. however, I do think this is the wild west and the majority of the coins will not really go anywhere.

There's no doubt, bitcoin is the blue chip stock here. There are some other alts that are good stock too, others that are penny stocks. I also think the majority of crypto coins will not be used for commerce but only for day trading. It is also my opinion that the majority of people in coins now are either day traders or buying it as a speculative investment. I fall into the later category.

But, the truth is, as of this day, the problem crypto coins were originally designed to solve, while real isn't what their current primary use is.

wrt to the AE, I think most people using it, even thought they say they are not selling securities are actually selling securities. That is a regulated activity in most places. So, we will have to see if some asset that doesn't deliver on a promise ever gets sued and that will set a precedence.

But, I digress. This isn't really about Qora, specifically. I'm sure there are other threads here that discuss these issues.

I firmly believe that people can, and should, diversify their crypto portfolio.  I am certainly a big fan on Nxt and I've only recently come on-board with QORA since it is both new and innovative.  IMHO, liking one is not mutually exclusive with liking the other.  There has been a problem within the entire crypto community since the first fork of BTC that any new, alt-coin has always been attacked.  I don't know why.  With over 7 billion people in the world, and probably less than 5 million cryptocurrency enthusiast, it's not like there isn't room form multiple innovative coins, and their respective communities.

With that said, please don't make statements like "the Nxt AE is to hard to use!" unless you've actually tried to use it, asked a couple people on a forum if you've had questions and then determined that, in your opinion, it is difficult.  The AE is every bit as easy to use as, say, a site like Cryptostock.  Also, from what I've heard (but not researched) Nxt has the easiest to use asset system over others that have come before it.  If you are familiar with trading stocks, bonds, or any other "asset", then you will find the AE to be easy to use.

Keep up the good work with QORA.  I'm going to try and dig into some of the specifics.  Maybe in a week, or two, I can answer the of the difference between the two coins.

Ripple is distributed, not decentralised. We can have a debate another time over whether you think is has been successful.


My girlfriend issued an asset and sold it on the AE testnet with just me saying "Issue and asset and sell 50 of them." That was a few months ago. You might have trouble but I think people should judge it for themselves.

Ripple has a very good coin trading platform before NXT, just saying.

In the end comparing functions is a bit like comparing dick length.

What matters is which system will be used by the most people you are right about that. I mean if the world decided tomorrow to use Dogecoin and not Bitcoin then Dogecoin wins and it wont matter if it was the original. The problem is we are judging the future from the past. Honestly who knows if first mover advantage is relevant here. I guess Myspace moved first before FB, I guess Netscape moved before Google..


That's why i'm putting my chips mainly on Qora, cause its user friendly. NXT is horrible to use especially the asset exchange. Your parents will never use it and that's why its future is limited imo. Thats why I shrug everytime NXT adds another function making it even more complicated and complex for the average person. I hope Qora doesn't try to copy NXT's way at all and keeps its focus on the average user and superfluous add-ons. Every new function should be tested by everyone kids to see if they can use it. If not then something is wrong.

I don't have time for a back and forth today so I will just make my point  

TF is a new idea, Asset Exchange (Coloured Coins) is an old idea. But AE has never been implemented as successfully as it has in Nxt before. As you argue, it is the implementation that gives value so the AE is an asset to Nxt. The more people use it, the less likely they will use another AE (analogous to the main stock markets and the regional ones, most big listing will go to New York and not... Chicago?)

Instant Transactions is an exsiting idea in crypto, Nxt didn't invent it. But it has never been implemented successfully in a decentraliused way before. And Nxt has a project to have this feature by the end of August. So Nxt will benefit from the so called 'first mover advantage', unless there is something else that comes out of the blue. Nxt isn't re-packaging existing ideas, just implementing them successfully. As well as adding TF as a new idea.

You are right about TF.

But which functions were already implemented successfully and by who?

I tried to start a similar discussion a day ago but people tend not to talk about anything that is important on here. Just their personal wallet concerns.

The fact is there is a lot of overlap in functions BUT that is not the issue as implementation is everything.


What I was trying to get answers to is this. NXT people tend to look at Qora and say oh it has similar functions as NXT therefore it has no point.


But I would say what did NXT do that was truly innovative apart from transparent forging? As far as i can tell NXT just packaged functions that were available already. So really NXT is all about a new framework of implementation. So basically the same as what Qora has done......just better.   Its kind of like saying whats the point of designing a new car, we already made one.

Am I Right or Wrong?

I'm interested in the similarities/differences between Qora and NXT. Is there a list of features that Qora already has or plans to implement in the near future, and a comparison with NXT's implemented/upcoming features?

Ultimately it's as much about the overall direction of travel for each and where they might end up, as well as where Qora is breaking new ground.

@qora
qora.exe is great，we need minimize tray，if you can add this
thx

Yeah, Arbitary Transactions have just been implemented and the next feature is most likely is Asset Exchange.

have been watching cryptocurrencies for a little while now, but just got involved in qora - bought some + used the wallet. pretty fast in confirming balances which is nice - been used to waiting for eons for bitcoin to transfer so that's definitely nice! Keeping an eye on this. Keep up the work dev.

Total forging balance renews every 10 blocks. Just wait till 9th block, then start forging. Two blocks later you should see that total forging balance has changed and do the math. If you're the only one who joined then the balance should be larger on the amount of your coins. That's noob version Probably you could find out it easier.

Anyone know how to tell if i am forging or not?

+1.
Qora is the best dev. I have been keeping buying Qora silently.