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Topic: [ANN] Qora | Released 16 May | 100% POS | New Source - page 341. (Read 748233 times)

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Instead of going full out and move the communication to a forum, a number of threads on Bitcointalk, all linked in the OP, should offer a more secure and reliable way to communicate.

I agree if someone can make a nice and organized [ANN] like XCP has for example: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annxcp-counterparty-pioneering-peer-to-peer-finance-official-thread-395761

qora will just need to copy paste it on the OP and everything will be much more organized and also simpler for new comers.


Since Qora doesn't have the time to do such a job, I guess a new [ANN] thread should be started.
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Instead of going full out and move the communication to a forum, a number of threads on Bitcointalk, all linked in the OP, should offer a more secure and reliable way to communicate.

I agree if someone can make a nice and organized [ANN] like XCP has for example: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annxcp-counterparty-pioneering-peer-to-peer-finance-official-thread-395761

qora will just need to copy paste it on the OP and everything will be much more organized and also simpler for new comers.
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Sharexcoin back online.
Thank you for the update.

There was an issue with the hosting provider last night, so the server stopped working. It is back online now. Sorry for this inconvenience.
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Sharexcoin back online.

Any idea what happened?
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Sharexcoin back online.
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I want to make small FAQ:
1. How to install wallet
2. How to run a node
3. Why I can't launch a client
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Are there any free and user friendly services for such things?
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Where do you download the linux client?
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Guys, would you please discuss Kora in Kora thread?

I was only responding to a specific question about Kora that was posted here (what will Kora do if the source never gets released).

If people post questions and comments here I will answer them here, otherwise I agree, lets keep this thread for Qora.

Thanks Kora dev promote Qora
The master and the team are working hard now
I really like the GUI  Smiley
legendary
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Guys, would you please discuss Kora in Kora thread?

I was only responding to a specific question about Kora that was posted here (what will Kora do if the source never gets released).

If people post questions and comments here I will answer them here, otherwise I agree, lets keep this thread for Qora.

Gtfo to your Kora swamp
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Guys, would you please discuss Kora in Kora thread?

I was only responding to a specific question about Kora that was posted here (what will Kora do if the source never gets released).

If people post questions and comments here I will answer them here, otherwise I agree, lets keep this thread for Qora.
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I hear what you're saying but then I think about this nice project development plan laid out by asic-8tile and I wonder how we can handle this without our own forum.

Reddit might be an option, dunno though, I never used it.

What might also be an option is to ask for an own section in another Forum.

Gravitons old NXT Forum might be a place to rent a section for a month or two.
It should be far less costly than setting up a completly own forum.

In the end there would still be the necessity to migrate the information over to the final forum.

In any case an unreliable forum might cause more harm than good.
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kora think about bitcoin - it is now been used by millions (and it's just the beginning) but how many people do you think knew about bitcoin when a pizza was being sold for 10,000 btc back at 2010? very few - certainly not me.

The original cost to mine btc was around 0.001$ and the starting trading price was 0.003$ per btc - thats 17500000% profit for first adopters that bought btc. I bought my first bitcoin @ 800$ - should i cry about it? i still feel like i am an early adopter.

is bitcoin distribution not fair? doing another bitcoin lunch with 3000 original stake holders and not a few is that really different?
qora is going to do a big change in the complete altcoin 2.0 section.

kora its not late for you to invest in qora - you are still a very early adopter!  Wink
(p.s: I have no problem with kora but it isn't going to achieve anything)

There are two issues here - 'fairness' & 'effectiveness'. Fairness as a concept is very subjective, but effectiveness is more concrete. So far bitcoin has shown itself to be very effective, despite many people being concerned that its distribution isn't 'fair'.

The same could be said for NXT - effective, but *maybe* not fair.

With Qora I think the landscape has changed, and while I agree with the assessment of many people that coins based on Qora have a lot of potential, I believe that in this instance, the Qora IPO was not 'effective' for two main reasons.

1- 137 stakeholders is too small
2- The stakeholders are not concerned with MASS distribution, and most seem to be encouraging hoarding in the hope of limiting supply and putting upward pressure on the price.

I have seen a number of posts from stakeholders encouraging people to hold out for a higher price (some as high as 500 satoshi). Other posts encouraging people to split up big accounts into smaller ones to 'hide' the whales, and make things appear like distribution is happening. These attitudes are ridiculous, but they do give me confidence that Kora can succeed, and maybe surpass Qora one day.

I think these two factors make Qora very vulnerable to failing, and so clones are inevitable. Now that we all have access to the NXT AE, we can distribute & trade 'asset tokens' in place of the real asset. This is not a very hard concept for most crypto enthusiasts to understand. A NXT asset token will be issued in place of the Kora coins as an interim solution.

As for MY own personal belief, I am interested in fairness very much, but in order to distribute fairly, you first need to have an effective viable 'thing' in the first place. My choice is to give away Kora in the most open & fair way I can find (see my bounty offer for someone to design and implement a registration system for Kora), and I believe some will instantly dump their Kora tokens for a quick gain, but many people will buy up those Kora tokens, and after a short while Kora will have a dedicated core group of people with a modest-large holding, and they will have acquired their stake at a reasonable price  (i.e initial is free, choice to buy from dumpers for a cheap price). I expect the Kora price to be very low for quite awhile, and so anyone 'committed' should be able to buy up a decent stake.

Please note, those people who choose to buy up 'dumped' Kora tokens on the NXT AE wont be paying me, just other stakeholders who participated in the Kora distribution. Nobody is paying me anything, all dev work will be from developer stakes and bounties paid by me.

One of my main criticisms of paid IPO's is they favour the rich over the poor. They do raise money for the dev though, but as Kora is a clone, the Qora dev has already been paid, and so I think he wont care too much about Kora, as long as its clear it isn't a scam and nothing to do with him.

per capita income: IMF stats - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita)
USA = 53,101
Russia = 17,884
China = 9,844
India = 4,077


So 1 bitcoin @ ~450 USD represents the following proportions of annual income:

USA =  ~0.85%
Russia = ~2.52%
China =  ~4.57%
India =  ~11.03%

These figures are based on 'purchasing power parity' calculations, so they take into account cost of living differences between countries, which I think is fair. If I chose 'nominal income' as the comparison the per capita income in India is ~1500 USD, so for an 'average' Indian guy to send in 1 bitcoin to an IPO would be nearly a THIRD of his YEARLY income. That would be like the 'average' guy from USA sending in $18,000 USD. But in reality the average guy from USA send in less than half a weeks wages!!

This is why IMO paid IPO for distribution is unfair, but if it was effective at growing a big enough community quickly (like what happened with NXT) it would be OK.
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I hear what you're saying but then I think about this nice project development plan laid out by asic-8tile and I wonder how we can handle this without our own forum.


I'm sure qora will soon need it's own forum and this thread on bitcointalk, and probably a reddit as well. It's going to be the next big thing.
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I hear what you're saying but then I think about this nice project development plan laid out by asic-8tile and I wonder how we can handle this without our own forum.







If I were to manage a project like this I would consider these high-level tasks and sub-tasks.

Here are my suggestions for Tasks/Sub-tasks. Priority would have to be assigned by task/sub-task and then communicated through a forum/online project excel file to begin with.

1. Infrastructure/Security
1.1 Develop Testnet
1.2 Security Review
1.3 Connectivity Review
1.4 Develop Peer Nodes
1.5 Bug reporting portal

2. Wallet Development/Mobile
2.1Deterministic Wallet (possible)/Client Windows-Mac-Linux (1 reference client - use all programming resources to build 1 reference client for the moment) Qora has begun this.
2.2 List Current Features and Future - Development plan (add social capability to wallet to invite friends/invite via sharethis or other plugin)
2.3 BIP32 Deterministic Key Generator http://bip32.org/
2.4 Developers Priority List/Status (Bounty List as needed)

3. Website Development
3.1 Features (Specifications), Wiki, Blog, Login (to Deterministic Wallet?), Affiliates, Social Media, Business (p2b), Developers, Merchants, Voting, About, Team
3.2 Graphics Design
3.3 Social Media Plugins to introduce friends (type of sharethis plugin)

4. Business Development
4.1 Affiliates p2p/p2b
4.2 Add Decentralized Autonomous Organization Registration/List Decentralized Autonomous Software Development
4.3 Referral Links
4.4 Local Qora Buying with mobile
4.5 Develop Business Model
4.6 Exhanges (already on sharexcoin.com)

5. Marketing
5.1 Gorilla (intro cards to hand out locally, organize physical meetups, contact redbull and sponsor a crazy event, etc..)
5.2 Video Marketing
5.3 SEO/SEM
5.4 Signatures on BTT/CCT (already begun)
5.5 Conference Speakers
5.6 Social Media
5.7 Games

6. Finances
6.1 Add a Treasurer/Backup
6.2 Allocate Funds for Bounties (etc..)
6.3 Vote on New Features
6.4 Transparent Payments of Expenses
6.5 List expenses (enable functionality that would add one seed that would get more POS than all others for a limited time...) and use blockchain to add detail.

Please add to the list and forward to everyone as needed.

Regards
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We seem to have different groups discussing similar issues but at different times of the day. Our own site would help provide a centralized location for discussion of these issues.
The problem is that people don't bother reading older posts - they read only the last page when they log on-line.


Yes, but we can't change that. Better to just have all the main issues laid out in their own categories on a central website so people can take a look there and catch up. The original Nxt thread was a lot of fun but development really accelerated with the forming of the commitees and the main website.

A central website is an interesting option, yes. But right now I don't see it as the best way to go.
As long as there will be no serious undertaking to secure the website/forum against DDOS attacks we can be sure, that the site will be shot down and communication crippled.

Instead of going full out and move the communication to a forum, a number of threads on Bitcointalk, all linked in the OP, should offer a more secure and reliable way to communicate.

When Qora rises in price, some people should have the money to pay for the security of the forum without going too deep into their own pockets.

Also, having some discussions in this thread will help advertise QORA on bitcointalk.



Glad to see so much ongoing with qora development.

Regarding the dashboard - who would need weather or instagram? maybe you could replace them with qora twitter news or reddit news.

But I also vote for simplicity. Nothing more than the necessary, presented in a clean, fresh and useful way.

I see it the same way. A minimal design and clear functionality is far better than a lot of things that clog your view.
Also, instead of having every option offered directly, having them categorized should offer a better experience.

For example, having a button "wallet", a button "assets" and a button "charts".

Pressing the wallet button for example, should lead to an enviroment similar to the Bitcoin QT wallets, where sending and receiving coins is possible.

As the design theme I would prefer black and white. But thats just personal taste.
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