Topic: [ANN] [QRK] Quark | Core 0.10 upgrade - page 103. (Read 1031025 times)

I already told too much, lol.
I don't want to be a talker.

Some facts about me: I have been a selfemployed programmer for the last 10 years, and I plan to offer my work for quark (atleast parttime), in a unique collaborative way.

Please be patient for a few weeks. (damn, another promise)

Not by me, who in his right mind would call a 1 year old project dead... and then again, only pointing to a low price as evidence of death?
Well, obviously it's someone who thought this is a get rich quick scheme but who is disappointed because qrk growth will take longer than expected.


Is corgi coin dead? it's been out less time than qrk? perhaps i should hold me 100M of those a little longer give it time to take off again?
QRK is seen as having no active developer and a community made of 5 people. Give me 1 good reason to hold qrk above a coin that has a well funded development team that are active and a large community behind it?

This all sounds so bizarre to me.... your thoughts reveal your true intentions.
You make it sound like quark has now become the coin of the selected few investors club... and ONLY they should be allowed to have a voice, etc...

Let me explain to you more clearly my statement so that you don't misrepresent it further.

We can't know for sure who here wants to see qrk do well and who wants to see it sink and get crushed by other coins. For all i know you have zero qrk and are trolling. We need to make sure people here are real qrk supporters.


WHY???


because they don't seem to be able to specifically isolate any reason they are negative other than they don't like the sound of it or some other vague abstract statement. That makes no sense. You can just be negative on something and yet be unable to put forward specifically WHY?


Of course anyone can come and discuss the points put forward if they really want to discuss them in detail. However people coming here saying all sounds like it is doomed and they don't like the sound of it without being about to provide the WHY?? can not be trusted.

No point saying this all seems bizarre? read the paper, tell me what point you think will have a negative impact and how.

companion coin, superblocks... quarkfx proposal of proof of burn or something like that.

Many conflicting solutions proposed for a problem that I resist to even accept is real.

There is no problem: quark is just in a phase of low liquidity, like all altcoins.

That's just the nature of the quark economy (which at the moment mainly exists on exchanges between traders instead of real world merchants)

Yes we need to change that. But not by manipulating the coin- or coinsupply itself.

1+ Yes 1 year project is dead in the eyes of those who entered in it for wrong reasons. Its still very early days, many bad periods ahead of us until reaching a destination, if ever, but giving up on a project so early its ridiculous.

+1 It should be more important the time consumed on a project than the money invested. I can make more caash tomorrow but I can't get my time back. A true investor is that which dedicated lots of his time to Quark not which has the biggest purse.

+1 Crypto currencies are very immature, even Bitcoin, compared to biggest players. The prohibitive measures could be used in a local centralized areas like small national currencies. If you want global adoption you need to leave the free market decide the price, thats why I said every quarker should participate on the exchanges so that we better discover the true price and provide more liquidity(only rule buy low sell high)

more details please ?

I asked someone to explain me in one sentence, and that's what they told me. There are many conflicting arguments/solutions/problems in this thread at the moment.

Please, can you give me a short summary about what your document consist of.
Three short sentences that outline the nature of your solution. (forget about the problem for now)
Make it so that I feel like reading your document afterwards.


Well, isn't your document an announcement of the next big thing?
It's always so easy to write drafts and proposals instead of doing some real actual work, isn't it?

My project is in the concept phase. Such things take a long time to be created.
And rest assured I will post about it when it's more or less finished. And only then.
You will not see any drafts, or documents that I will ask you to "evaluate"...
You will see real world software products denominated in Quark, plain in your face.
Because:


And that's also the reason why I keep creating GIFs here... so that I remind myself to CONSTANTLY CREATE, and NOT just TALK.

So how many total max Quark coin do we have now?  Cause the PoW phase has been over for quite some time, right?

There is no price manipulation if we take away the maturation part.

I don't see a need for that part since  if the companion coin does not look more attractive coin than qrk why burn qrk for it just to dump it? just dump qrk straight to btc or hold qrk.

If you have an active development/marketing/project management teams then why would you dump core anyway?

We have run through the POSSIBLE positives for qrk and the companion coin if done correctly. We have as yet to hear ANY negatives aside from possible competition to qrk which is what the other 500 alts are anyway.

Please don't just say hey i can't think of a specific negative nor how it will arise and influence qrk. If you are opposed to something surely that though is based upon some logical reasoning?

We have been over and over the POSSIBLE advantages of a companion coin introduced through qrk only ipo or POB read back through the last 30 pages.

We need to examine the POSSIBLE negatives of the companion coin specifically. If nobody can present something specific then i guess you need to rethink things.

I do NOT like the idea of random superblock rewards it seems pointless for the reason i have stated before. Nobody wants to buy qrk right now so no point inflating the currency without that inflation leading directly to more demand for the currency.  As a miner i won't waste one second hoping for a possible superblock since i fully well know my average mining increase will be next to nothing over an extended period so why bother.

We should not inflate qrk through random superblocks for miners it simply makes no sense.

QRKfx has really brought forward some good ideas indeed. I will certainly get behind this project. I think the maturation part could be looked at. I think perhaps burn rate should be limited by community contribution in terms of support and discussion.

The real key is the development team and their funding as well as qrk holders retaining their share in the new coin.

Anyway let's hear specific negatives of QRKfx's paper. I have stated i'm slightly negative on the maturation period. However that's just my opinion i don't essentially say it will be negative for qrk or core in terms of price i just see it as not really being needed if you have a good team behind the new coin.

Not by me, who in his right mind would call a 1 year old project dead... and then again, only pointing to a low price as evidence of death?
Well, obviously it's someone who thought this is a get rich quick scheme but who is disappointed because qrk growth will take longer than expected.



This all sounds so bizarre to me.... your thoughts reveal your true intentions.
You make it sound like quark has now become the coin of the selected few investors club... and ONLY they should be allowed to have a voice, etc...

I remember the first weeks and months of quark, when it was praised as the little guys coin.
Everybody can participate and mine this coin, etc... that was the credo back then.

Not anymore?


?
What are you, a government?
What's with all that constant "tax talk" ?


Pump and Dump. Most misused words of the last years.
Is bitcoin a pump and dump? I wouldn't call it that, but Mainstream Media still does so to this day.
How can they do that? Well, because to the outsiders who don't understand bitcoin, bitcoin really looks like a pump and dump scheme.
And Mainstream Media tries to influence those uninitiated outsiders.

Was bitcoin pumped and dumped before? Yes, absolutely. Is it still being pumped and dumped? YES!
Is this a problem? No, because Bitcoin has now become a real world economy, meaning it's not just an exchange vehicle, it's not just a financial tool anymore. It's used in the real economy, by real people, doing real trading.
All those people who REALLY USE bitcoin in their lifes for trading, and working, and buying/selling stuff... they offset any pump and dump scheme, because they create an immense liquidity of about 10 million $ a day, which gives pumpers/dumpers a really hard time. That's fantastic.

Now what about quark?
Obviously quark is still in the phase where very low liquidity allows for drastic price moves that causes all kinds of weird ups and downs in price, that all look like pump and dump.
(someone buying even just 5-10 BTC of QRK in a few minutes, will make the price spike probably 300%)
But these are NOT pump and dumpers. Not as in the definition of a scam.

That's just simple economics: Low liquidity causes higher price fluctuation.

This even is applicable to world currencies like the USD or EUR. Watch forex EUR/USD and you will see that during holidays (when fewer people trade) the price fluctuation will be higher!
You have to let this sink in for a minute, that this even happens (to a small degree) in trillion dollar volume markets like EUR/USD.

People who understand just a little bit about economics and exchanges, UNDERSTAND that low liquidity coins (basically all altcoins) can be easily price manipulated since that's the nature of low liquidity.
Only people who don't understand this concept, blame this on SCAM ARTISTS or whales who deliberately are out to kill a coin...

And it's those people (who call SCAM for the wrong reasons) who want to introduce all kinds of prohibiting measures to prevent something that is WITHIN THE NATURE OF EVERY CURRENCY THAT EXISTS... so that they can safely skip over this low liquidity phase with little damage (but killing the coins nature in the process).

Those people are only thinking about their own well being, instead of understanding that THAT IS THE NATURE OF THIS ILLIQUID PHASE!

All I am saying is: You all should better start enjoying this illiquid phase and enjoy the risks (and chances) it offers.
Trying to suppress this phase by implementing prohibiting measures based on GREED and wealth protection goes against EVERYTHING I BELIEVE when it comes to cryptocurrencies and free market.
Therefor I am not going to give that anymore attention or appreciation.

It's like you guys are trying to persuade me to participate in a religion, when I am a free market atheist.
No matter WHAT you have to say about your religion, and how eloquent your documents and articles are... as long as its based on superstition and irrationality I am going to oppose it.

I don't blame Kolin, in fact I already argued multiple time against scapegoating - if you read it differently: quote me. But yes I am sarcastic sometimes when I read certain statements and I guess that is not forbidden, is it? It is even likely that I become more sarcastic since I have to spend a lot of time to clarify things that are willingly or unwillingly misinterpreted. Your narrative is "We only need to stick together and everything's gonna be fine". I was part of that "sticking together" and don't find it promising anymore. Please leave me my personal experience, I don't mind you having your own and then we talk again. I

@georgem


This is not a companion coin. Go and do the reading then we can talk. My personal opinion is that Quark will disappear and become a niche coin like many others. I expext this because it has been the development for months and without  a critical user base it doesn't appear likely to change. Your expectation appears to be that people will suddenly see Quark as the solvation to all their problems and make it a full sucess. Keep that thinking, to me it resembles like classical messianism and I don't really like it. From what I read it is totally fine with me that you prefer to go another way.


Sorry for not freakin out. It's just that I heard this too many times (e.g. in one video with Kolin and Bill Still) and I don't trust in magical promises. If you have something to present, present it. Everybody can announce the next big thing. If you can't show anything its better to remain silent until you can. I would be gladly proven wrong on this case, but I don't believe it.

Ok, if you can guarantee that Quark Fork is not necessary for this, then I really don't care what you do, since it is outside of quark sphere.
Good, if no one is forced directly to burn tokens, then go ahead.

It's you who makes the extraordinairy claim that this maneuver (companion coin?) is going to help quarks price, so it's you who have to provide extraordinairy proof for that.

Extraordinairy claims require extraordinairy evidence.
It's not my job to prove to you that you are wrong.
It's your job to prove to me that you are right.


I am working on something big (software development thru QRK funding), but contrary to the coin and price manipulation you advocate, my project consists of real world economy to make quark successful, NOT trying to manipulate the coin into success.

In the meantime, enjoy my GIFs (that I create to help evolve and develop quarks brand)

The development should have come from all quarkers not only its coders. The failure to keep the momentum that Quark had back in December should also be put to the shoulders of the leading core supporters. If the good development and course wasn't as expected then why only blame and be sarcastic about others(namely Kolin) ?

@digitalindustry

thanks for bringing the higher reward block into discussion every time, you never know once its get adopted you'll be the retarded one for opposing it in almost every thread you participate in with a totally different subject. A crypto coin heartbeat is the network hashing power, not its investors not its community(if both don't protect it by mining it or by supporting mining in different ways then the community and investors are an assembly for other reasons not for a crypto coin).

Thanks to Max and our dev team we are protected against double spends attacks by using an automatic checkpoint system, which by the way is centralized into a single trusted node, but that in turn makes our coin the most secure on the market, far more protected than Bitcoin which is at the mercy of giant pools.  However, we are still liable to attacks by those miners who will refuse to insert the new transactions into new blocks, those miners will pass the checkpoint system and we will find ourselves with transactions getting delayed for many minutes or hours until an honest miner includes them into a block.  

We need to search for real solutions to this issue, one of which I first read in the IRC chat, proposed by Max which was to use a lotto-type reward every once in a while so that we attract new miners into Quark. Of course with a lot of debate among quarkers and with lots of calculation made so that the inflation doesn't get above 0.5% p.a.

This by no means is the reason for Quark decade over the past months. It also has nothing to do with the price. The reason for being against this solution is incredible stupid because the extra 100K added annually quarks will not affect any current investors, more likely will protect them further by being part of a healthier network. But do go on, continue your ramble all day long about trolls and memes, both of which you are and respectively use in almost every post.

Hey Netnox, this must be obviously a good development and it is of course intended and planned.  It only shows that the real boom is not far...

yeah, this of course is keeping with the "superblocz" retard meme...

If traffic hits equated to investment then Doge would have surpassed Bitcoin

yet its slowly working its way to 1 Sat. ( hey trust me i hope it doesn't)

your next bit - again retarded , i never said i wanted to "kick anyone" (in fact if you read it i said the opposite)  ( i want you to keep the failed project here)

next bit "Bitcoin bubble" meme - no Quark supporters are usually very independent as they have usually educated themselves around the basics of decentralized economics, so for example they understand that Quark fundamentals make sense - i.e the EQ reward the , the full distribution, the multi Algo ( and what it means for decentralization)

i've no doubt that there are pure speculators - jam the price down and it tends to become are party !

however information always distributes , never centralizes so you see what i'm saying?

i'm saying the price can go back in theory to  0.00000025  (or a fraction of a cent)  the holders will be vastly different and vastly more distributed.

( that was what my "on a string" point was about ) ( badly explained I understand) 

summary:

* I want the project here - i reserve the right to create a new Reddit, (notice i'm not telling anyone to come to it)

* as a Troll project its pathetic and backwards and you guys need to be fired (for rehashing an old dusty project) if thats the aim.

* As a genuine "Free pony" type "crypto democracy" its a fantastic and memorizing   train wreck.

@ digitalindustry

I'm one of the devs at quark Reddit and let me show you some stats regarding our reddit traffic.

 

As you see it has basically no traffic and subscribers have not increased since months. It's always the same couple members posting and not counting sock puppets accounts which yourself have such account as well.

People have the right to chose if they want to stay or not and have the right to make their own projects, same goes for community members and investors which are tired of seeing the awful price decrease with no active development and community, so imo you have no right to criticise them.

I get the idea that some just are waiting for the "next Bitcoin bubble" that might have it's influence on quark or else without that many don't see quark rising on it's own feet. Core members gave it the benefit of the doubt once back in December but it didn't happen because you didn't really cooperated with them and again same happened with core members who came next. So the problem is not these members but something else right.

This is an individual proposal, it is nothing more than ideas and I would like to keep it this way for as long as it isn't finished. I am however talking to the people who are working on MC2 and will receive their comments on the Alpha Draft in the next few weeks. It is possible that they are not interested, it is also possible that they are interested to work with us independently from Quark. I am wxcited no matter what the answer is as I am following the project since it was quoted by fiatpete (i think it was him) some months ago.

Don't want to speak for Vic or Julie. Both know about my work and will probably comment on it once they find time.

No important democracy based on money in real world.

+ 1 : D

Hey Pete i've got a question:

Ok so now that we all agree that you should move forward with this project, i have some question because some things don't make sense (and please don't take this the wrong way)

so now we essentially have two (2)  basic scenarios:

1 - You are just genuinely confused around how Crypto currency works, and you really believe that "democracy"  works for a monetary mechanics system.

or

2. - you are obviously (very poorly) trying to (yawn) troll Quark with this dead end project.



Now i'm firmly with number 1 and i want you to know why - :

A- you are European ? I think you are ?

B- There is no point to the Trolling as it's(if real)  so badly executed and in such wrong timing that everyone is obviously ignoring it.

C- It won't waste time or energy or distract any members as there are no members - remember you can't troll core code, this type of method needs to be used on a project that is yet to be launched . otherwise distraction serves no purpose? ??

D- It has the real potential to help Quark - as just look at the recent price drop and all the posting here (some of which is about "the burn") all this is doing is constantly bumping our topic and brining new members to our Reddit ??

E- after a point of discussing it endlessly (unless you make lots of sock puppets) most members will just ask you to make an ANN (i'll bid for you to keep it with us) (as you will be helping Quark)

and the big one:

F- You can't make it appear successful if you do ever get it off the ground, to do that you will have to do a massive IPO "Proof of Burn" then you will have to try to price manipulate the price upward to try to gain a large market Cap - but to do that you will have to build your own exchange ( basically just follow the NXT model)  - But lets see   Ripple , and now the new failure Stellar, NXT and all the other failed Crypto have tried that already.

so how do you plan to spin it into any sort of success?  


Summary

listing all the above its clear you do believe in Democracy in Monetary mechanics, and that is a beautiful thing , its also wrong in my opinion, but as i'm not 100% on anything you could be correct so I encourage this project
and will even participate in a novel and token way, but in all other respects will totally ignore it. (for the obvious failure i believe it to be)

so to be clear i'm NOT calling you a failure that would be believing you are trying to Troll ( and this is such a miserable unimaginative attempt i don't believe that is the case )

i just think you are honestly confused at how Crypto and decentralized monetary systems work.  

Nice Gif..  

I'm glad action is being taken on Quark. The way to save this coin is for the large holders, to destroy their coins via proof of burn and forfeit their digital asset so they can get a certificate on a new, unknown and untrusted alternative crypto currency. Meanwhile, if you're like me and you've stuck your head in the sand then you let people read this thread and follow whatever whacko blockchain suits their fancy, I'll boot up my Quark out of cold storage in 2017 LOL

Edit: It may not seem like I have a lot of Quark but you won't buy up to that volume without causing a ripple on an exchange that gets noted here YAY for cryptos