Topic: [ANN] [QRK] Quark | Core 0.10 upgrade - page 126. (Read 1031025 times)

Cool someone new to discuss things with. However first tell me one thing are you are qrk holder and interested in seeing qrk succeed. If not i guess there is no real point discussing with you since we will see things from a different perspective with different goals.

1. crowd funding... okay let's go with that. Explain how this will work? Crowd funding for future qrk development? for the companion coin? explain the full process... i mean yes fund raising can be done in many ways although we need to and will bind the new coin to qrk in as many new ways as possible. If it turns out to be it's own entity in the future it will have given qrk holders a nice head start and should provide many joint services for qrk along the way

2. Yes the eventual goal is ROI projects that will lead to what you correctly say all coins need more than anything else.

3. Yes, they will not be sold to the market. They will be sold to the foundation in return for the companion coin. I mean any new coin has no trading volume, the volume comes from speculation on the future of the coin.

4. I agree with this point. QRKS value is important hence why people saying the sinking value is not important are wrong.

I think your main question is why a new coin with great features should be used to boost qrks failing value. I think qrk if handled correctly still has a lot to offer. That is a matter of opinion but if you are not a qrk holder i guess it is easy to see if from another perspective.

Who are you really, i find it hard to believe you joined just now and already ask these questions. There is no need to have a fake handle just come and discuss with your real user name.

reRaise uninformed people like you are just a mess.Should i call you stupid ,naiv ,scammer or whatever you want.Its a known fact that quark was premined and there are over 60% of coind in under 100 wallets.A single wallet had once 30 million coins transfered from multiple wallets where you can be sure they had not been bought.Watching also the premine history that over 90% of all coins has been harvested in the first month where the coin itself was advertised masivly after 6 months is a good indicator and also the bad comments of professional miners during the first month that the blocks are manipulated.

But keep beliving in your bullshit and evans propaganda lessens where he guaranteed $1 end of jan. and all his other bs propaganda.
Quark is also not a secure coin its a total myth.It can be so easyly taken over its just a mess but who is going to do it when the coin has just daily $3k trading volume (PEANUTS)

thule i don't know who the hell you are, but it seems you are really a troll because you talk like one and even don't know quark wasn't pre mined. Regarding pre mine, it can be effective for devs to work on the coin, so a reasonable premine everyone is ok with.

Here is a list of others coins which are actually scam coins that suite your flavour to attack it, good luck http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=a_massive_investigation_of_instamines_and_fastmines_for_the_top_alt_coins

How about you tell me a reason why the new investors should carry the back of the quark loosers and premine scammers of a dead coin?



crowdfunding just one of thousand possibilities.Looks like your imagination is very limited

How about real infrastructur which has value instead of worthless hype ?

How are they going to sell all their coins with a daily trading volume of $3-10k per day ?Any bigger sale would instantly crash the price to the nirvana



Who is going to work for worthless quarks ? You give somebody 100.000 quarks which will be worth 1/2 after selling them



Nice idea but digitalindustry and max are only good for quick money (pump and dump) which they proofed in the past already.As i remember right evan claimed on feb that max was already working on another coin.
So opening any other coin with that team wont bring any success as the focus is to bleed out the rest possible of money

I can accept your oppinion but you also need to accept that people already provided their arguments against this solution (e.g. Y3llowb1ackbird - I [and others] covered his concerns).

I see no valid argument. A valid argument should be able to give at least 1 specific negative other than it could provide competition to qrk. This is what the other 400 alts bring without any benefits. So i see no valid argument only sweeping statements that break down under scrutiny.

Development funds can be raised without pumping "just another coin" (if that´s what the companion coin would be - if it would be better I don´t see why people shouldn´t sell off all their QRK and go with this coin).

1 . tell me the other way of raising development funds that is realistic without a super block
2. pumping? well pumping is not the correct phrase for creating features that generate enthusiasm and incoming BTC and new blood. There is natural organic pumping. That is what we want
3. I have already covered why some one would not sell off all of their qrk. It is for a different purpose. It will not be acceptable to main stream business having anon features for one. Again the new coins developments and services will be open to qrk also. Why would you swap all of your qrk into the new coin? I would not. QRK is going to be acceptable to mainstream business and can be used on any services the companion coin can be used on.

Your main problem seems to be funding. I also think we need funding for development and community building - but raising that funds with just another shitcoin? Why not raising it from the community then? How many Quarks would you be talking?

1. tell me the realistic alternatives other than a super block. The vast majority of qrk holders never visit this board and we have no hope of getting in touch with them.
2. another shit coin ?? a coin with core development team bringing features that the market wants and funding for marketing/ services and roi projects is not another shitcoin. The market does not accept that coins like this are shit coins hence XC , BC and DRK being more highly regarded than qrk itself. We have to stop thinking of any other coins as shitcoins. That is the problem a new shitcoin can emerge tomorrow with a lot more to offer and in a better position than qrk has backed itself into right now. Yes we'd like to think of it as coin 421 another shit coin. The market probably looks at qrk right now as a shitcoin. It is all a matter of perspective.


Let's talk specifics only. I would love to hear 1 negative aside from it could give some competition to qrk.

Even if it did, the foudation who would be selling the companion coin control the QRK pot. They need not dump it straight on the market and cause any change to the price. They have control of how many of the companion coin they sell, what they do with the QRK incoming etc. This is far different from other competition coins that cause the QRK to be dumped to BTC before being converted into the new alt providing the competition.  It is really not even comparable to the competition total rival alts bring, also they bring no advantages to qrk... our companion coin would bring many.


Anyway of course it is possible far smarter people than myself who are at the core of qrk have better solutions. However, it would be good for the rest of the qrk community and the community at large to eventually get to hear about them since when ever i see qrk mentioned outside of the qrk thread it is accompanied by words like dead coin, abandoned project, pump and dump, etc. Be nice to hear some positivity and some kind of future prospects. If the core knows a better solution, let's get on with it because at 200sats again qrk has little purchasing power with regard the man power we need.

Yes i want to believe all of a sudden the qrk foundation will annouce some plans to solve all of qrks problems. I don't feel that they will do any time soon though. We need radical changes to bring us back in line with other leading new coins or we will die.

I do not believe in qrks case donations will work. Raising funds will not work for use perhaps only through ROI projects but nobody will want to run those without some kind of incentive.

5. half the community is against any kind of new features - the same features that have boosted dark way above qrk in terms of interest and activity within the crypto community
Again, that is pure assumption. Everyone I spoke with had no problems with additional features.

Really? let's ask for a vote on here about who wants anon and pos incorporated into qrk itself?  a lot i saw said no way straight out?  i could be wrong but i think a lot will reject these new features coded directly into qrk itself.

It's great we are discussing these things. It's great you are one of the people passionate about qrk. Not many are it seems. However we need  to talk specifics.

Please list exact specific negatives of the qrk only ipo companion coin. If there are some i have not thought of then that is great let's scrap this idea and start brain storming another solution.

How much for a Thule Hullavator?  Do you price match RackAttack?

I am one of the so called trolls from the old board and i can say that i'm still impressed how people didnt learn anything from the past.
You want to open or merge a new coin so quark will survive.What a nonsense and double of work if you are not one of the big worthless quark holders.Its nice to see after x month that everything happened like a few people with a working brain predicted.Also nice to see that digitalindustry changed his mind on a point where we got attacked from the whole board for telling truth.
First of all what i can instantly see you guys are trying to open a new scam coin for pump and dump.
Shows you havent learned anything out of the past.Also i would recommend to leave digitalindustry and max since their names are burned in the cryptocurrency.Max Kaiser,Bill still and Evan (on reuters) advertised Quark and people joined it like morons without even understanding the system.Checking now i can say that people lost arround 70% of their money in a single month and any bigger sale would instantly kick the price under $0.05 .You can even claim that they lost 99% cause once they try to sell their coins the price will go instantly down.Watching on volume you can already see there are no more buyers but only holdersThere are still big wallet holders,no mining anymore even evan ALWAYS told us this wont ever happen LOL yeah i remember his words or his claims of the great work of community which is creating infrastructur for quark...
Maybe somebody can show me now the changes after so many months which makes quark a currency LOL .
Another issue are several security issues which evan wanted to fix in feburary but which arent fixed till today.
So yeah quark is a great coin and i can predict that even quark starts again that ther wont be any big attantion since the names quark,digitalindustry and max are burned after the quark scam.

And it was nobody else than digitalindustry who kicked out all the great members and moderators who were unhappy with the premine but who pushed quark to the position where it was.

Like always keep listening to evans promises as all his promises from the past 7 months came true LOL

Be the one who contributes rather the one who is whining!!!

Who are you again?

Let me fix that for you!
People here only talk .

The community has nobody eager or with enough skill to start a major change , nor the support from the other members to implement the drastic changes needed.

I think best would be to hear from the dev on the price, then we can see what's the best option. Core members have arranged an online meeting with him so would be good to ask.

I can accept your oppinion but you also need to accept that people already provided their arguments against this solution (e.g. Y3llowb1ackbird - I [and others] covered his concerns).  



Development funds can be raised without pumping "just another coin" (if that´s what the companion coin would be - if it would be better I don´t see why people shouldn´t sell off all their QRK and go with this coin).

Again, that is pure assumption. Everyone I spoke with had no problems with additional features.


Your main problem seems to be funding. I also think we need funding for development and community building - but raising that funds with just another shitcoin? Why not raising it from the community then? How many Quarks would you be talking?

Probably the strangest post i've seen for a while.

Let's welcome qrk back to the 400 sat range? I'm not sure that is what we should aim for.

Please tell me PRECISELY some negatives of introducing a companion coin in the way i have suggested in detail.  I am still waiting to hear ONE negative.

I still see NO negative side to it. If the companion coin was handled correctly. It will give qrk everything it needs to proceed in the competitive market we are in now. All these old school coins are actually dead and are not coming back. WDC, MEC, DGC, ...... every single one of the last wave is dead. If you think these are coming back to take on DRK,XC, basically any of the new wave of coins with well funded full time developers and promotional teams you are wrong.

I agree with one point, the hash rate is the least of qrks worries.


All of these currencies are pretty much the same with different names. The algos can even be altered, every bit of the tech can be changed. Any coin out there can switch to emulate QRK 100% carbon copy. Forget qrk being able to beat down other coins on the speed of transaction, the auto checkpointing. That all is completely 100% open to be adopted by any other coin.

The main issues are obvious.

1. dev with no funds
2. dev win no motivation to work full time on the coin
3 community exists outside of crypto and forgot about qrk
4. community that is not active with ideas or any further financial input
5. half the community is against any kind of new features - the same features that have boosted dark way above qrk in terms of interest and activity within the crypto community.


Tell me know about the great job qrk is doing. You are watching this coin on it's way back to 20 -200 sats range.



Let me tell you about another version of the qrk story starting a year ago


1. we had a dev pot
2. we had a dev that was fully active this last year with money to finance him
3. finance for marketing and funding other teams not just a handful of people who help when they can
4. qrk that stopped most of our BTC leaking to dark and BC
5. qrk that had lots of on going projects and services giving hope to investors to hold their positions and increase them
6. qrk that had active investors on this board that were also active in investing in ROI projects.
7. qrk that was holding at 50k sats not 2k and sinking. It is VERY simple, qrk was seen as very promising, now other coins are seen as far more promising. That is why it is sinking. If we had been the most active community, had active dev team, marketing team, project managers, active investors we would have maintained a higher price and had some decent purchasing power. Once you get back to 20 sats you will never be able to afford to get any developers on board., qrks purchasing power will be pathetic.


I want that qrk thanks.

QRK can not compete against other coins that do not have the weaknesses qrk has now.


Tell me ONE precise negative of the companion coin introduced through QRK only IPO above and beyond the negatives every single other competing crypto coin ? i am listening. I have given over and over all of the possible benefits. I mean hell if we can't even make 30% of the possible benefits work out for us. Let's quit now and join some communities that can get some things going.

Lot's of benefits with ZERO negatives? and we are still thinking about it?

I have great faith in qrks core team. But they are too small and too poorly funded to compete with larger coin communities that are very active and very well funded. QRKS algo and tech will not save us from anything.

Thank for this awesome post, and a reminder of what a great community we have!!!

Yes! Or mining for the foundation, or some solution as yet to be agreed upon..This is not a con at all- it was a challenge to be figured out, to make it a pro- so that the end result would would be not only increasing hashrate, but also creating funding for the Foundation for infrastructure building..

However, so many posts have taken place here that it is extremely confusing for anyone to follow any one proposal- Its getting too muddled here. Most people dont even understand what a merge mine is http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/273/how-does-merged-mining-work , and there are two totally different "companion coin" discussions, in addition to other completely different proposals-

I started out several pages back attempting to guide the discussion a bit in the direction of a merge mine, only because Max has already agreed this might be a good idea to consider, to support the hashrate..(In addition to the checkpoints). But there are so many ideas flying around here, and I wasn't about to speak for Max on this topic. We need more info on what he would seriously consider.

So, we will need to know a bit more from Max at the next meeting before proceeding with any of this.

Hey im a long time holder and supporter of the Quarkcoin, I ahh bought 100,000 odd the very next day after Cryptsy it up for trade and iv been holding most of them ever since...

I just wanted to come for a visit to see how the Quark community is going as its Quarks 1st birthday in a few days and wanted to say HAPPY BIRTHDAY QUARKCOIN and WELL DONE DEVS!!!

WELL DONE... For not losing interest and keeping Qrk alive, Thanks for all the work you've put in over the last year and i hope theres many more to come....

STICK TO WHAT YOU THINK IS BEST FOR QRK DONT DO NO STUPID SHIT OTHERS ARE YOU PUSHING TO DO... Iv seen many of coin i invested in over the last 2.5 years iv been buying/trading coins simply die in the ass... For varies reasons, You only have to have a look around at all coins that had great potential once upon a time that are now dead or worthless, Go check out the ADT community for example... Literally go have a look at what a divided and arguing community has done to that coin.

I want to point something out... Look at the all time trading history of Qrk on Cryptsy, It traded for 3-4 months from July to mid November between 0.00000040 - 0.00000400 and never any higher in those months until every single coin got pumped to Mooon in November and Qrk went along for the ride with all the other coins, Since then every coin not just Qrk but every coin has come crashing back to Earth and many harder than others, I think compared to many coins Qrk is shaping up better than most have in that time its still trading at 5x what it was before it got pumped (Think of it that way)... Many of these new coins coming out WOW there are shitloads arnt there? I can see many of those coins dying off just as iv seen so many in my time, Most are just pump, dump get rich quick coins that dont have a solid footing in the crypto world... Me personally have much more faith in the oldschool coins that had innovation in the early days, They have stood the test of time they've been pumped, dumped, thrashed out but they still here doing well... Qrk will have good times again (After this financial crisis is over)... Block rewards halve next couple days so buy up while Qrkcoins are still cheap...

Anyways... Keep on keepin on guys, Im glad your still here putting the effort in to make sure Qrk is around for along time to come... HAPPY BIRTHDAY QUARKCOIN YOU ROCK [/list]

Very well said Maok, such a positive point of view, right now I am at the same page as you...less distraction more focused on building the community is key..this may take long time to achieve but at least we can step towards to a right direction. And open for discussion is always good.

Exactly, Quark network is not susceptible to such attacks, we could have 1 PC mining and if the attack occurs we revert back to the last checkpoint and so on. We need hashrate power but its not relevant at this point, what we need more is community involvement not spreading FUD and creation of merge coins etc. We need protocol to improve and we are creating a structure in which we welcome core supporters of Quark to become foundation members with a small yearly involvement from which the dev team will take a large portion, while the rest will go for Quark related projects.

Refreshing to hear this. Makes much more sense for the non miner crowd such as me. Looking forward to hearing results.

YC

Are you saying quarks network security is fine as it is? Read this comment from may " Right now [27 of May 2014] the main problem for Quark is completely hoppible situation in mining. Pool coinmine.pl generate from 60% to 70% of blocks and we have roughly 500 i7-class CPUs hashing ATM. So, we could experience a 51% attack virtually at any moment. And even assuming pool operator completely honest it’s very easy for someone to DDOS the location of major hashrate and attack Quark with no more than half a thousand CPUs. It’s a small botnet or a not very large corporate network -- e.g. Microsoft has 1200 000 server nodes, Google -- 800 000. The reason for such a pathetic situation is generally the initial coin distribution model, which generate very few Quarks, not enough to feed profit-seeking commercial miners. Just an other side of one of the greatest advantage of Quark."

Also you talked about "We need multisig implementation, social wallet, and work on improving the protocol" I know about the social wallet, but other features like below and improving the protocol i believe we need funds to pay devs to do it.

Decentralized Marketplace / Auction
Distributed Storage
Multi-signatures
Two-phase Payments
Voting System
Reputation System
Decentralized Mixing Service
Smart Contracts