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I don't understand people here. Only talking about premine, new coin which would replace Quark, cloning Quark, PoS.  Nonsense by nonsense (if sense if caring about Quark).

I saw on reddit people are trying to do something useful or applicable. It seems this topic is preparing people for pump and dump on quark. Probably last big pump.

Wrong politics!

I will not support any of upper activities.

I hope enthusiasm from reddit will win!



Yes the trend with the core community is going against any major change to protocol, we don't need pump and dump actions by doing merge mining and involve other coins. This will divide quarkers even further. We need multisig implementation, social wallet, and work on improving the protocol not change it radical. These are being worked at this moment by Quark dev team.

Unfortunately there isn't much transparency going on during this process so many rumors spread within the community, thats why we are working on bringing quakers together in a new platform that will unite us and allow to see more public actions from everyone involved with Quark. All the past 10 pages mentions of new coin, companion coin, merge mining, have done alot of harm and confusion and it will stop once we have more transparency. Things are being worked on now and in 1-2 weeks time we'll know where we're heading.

I am giving hope to the true quarkers out there to not look at the price right now as its already down, but look at the prospect of Quark:
  • We are using the safest crypto protocol from the POW family, protected by automatic checkpoints not by hashrate. Sure, network power is important but quark security doesn't rely on it. Bitcoin and other coins can't say this, they are prone to attacks from industrial miners and have no protection against double spending attacks, except to go back into blockchain and commit a fork.
  • Quark has one of the fastest transaction confirmation time
  • Quark has $0 fees required to transmit transactions, unlike many other coins from top of the market
  • The above 2 points places us in the market for micro transactions and merchant adoption, if we stay united and survive in this rough times we will be here for a long ride because no other coin can claim the above, especially the security part. We do not need another coin to achieve security, our protocol already has the best security of all coins using automatic checkpoints. What we need is a transparent activity of Quark core community and an active participation of quarkers in discussions, we are working to release the platform for that soon.
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^^ Most here are part of Reddit as well. We can’t build a succesful coin without an appropriate security basis. We also need funds for new developments. These are the most important things if a coin wants to keep being successful.  
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I don't understand people here. Only talking about premine, new coin which would replace Quark, cloning Quark, PoS.  Nonsense by nonsense (if sense if caring about Quark).

I saw on reddit people are trying to do something useful or applicable. It seems this topic is preparing people for pump and dump on quark. Probably last big pump.

Wrong politics!

I will not support any of upper activities.

I hope enthusiasm from reddit will win!

hero member
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@quarkfx, i seen in the document where you state as one of the cons of merge mining there is no development fund. Wouldn't this fund come from a premine?
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For devs of new wallet version 0.9.2 (new very early stage of development wallet) only:



But - I have 1000x less QRKs than before. Only a few Smiley Probably same with transactions.

Syncing with network probably work.

I refuse to test other sensitive options Smiley


After returning to current version of wallet, 0.8.23, or my 0.8.24, it seems blockchain is corrupted

Do not use this new early stage wallet 0.9.2, just for experiments, except if you have to like I had to Smiley Do backup! Smiley




I see devs work on new wallet based on gui from bitcoin v0.9.2.1.

I compiled wallet with newest github source for v0.9.2.1.  Some problems solved, wallet started normally. Blockchain seems downloaded fully but still not compatible with prev wallet v0.8.3.23 or my 24). So it needs resyncing (or recovering from backup).

Above problem with showing 1000x less quarks still present.

Advance is obvious.


One suggestion:

In configuration.ac change line
   
             AC_SUBST(INCLUDES)           =>           AC_SUBST(AM_CPPFLAGS)

INCLUDES is obsolete.



This wallet is not ready for testing at all! They have begun the transition- I will let you know when the update is complete and ready for testing-


Of course it is not ready for testing at all. But not for me Smiley

Btw, inform devs about this suggestion.

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For devs of new wallet version 0.9.2 (new very early stage of development wallet) only:



But - I have 1000x less QRKs than before. Only a few Smiley Probably same with transactions.

Syncing with network probably work.

I refuse to test other sensitive options Smiley


After returning to current version of wallet, 0.8.23, or my 0.8.24, it seems blockchain is corrupted

Do not use this new early stage wallet 0.9.2, just for experiments, except if you have to like I had to Smiley Do backup! Smiley




I see devs work on new wallet based on gui from bitcoin v0.9.2.1.

I compiled wallet with newest github source for v0.9.2.1.  Some problems solved, wallet started normally. Blockchain seems downloaded fully but still not compatible with prev wallet v0.8.3.23 or my 24). So it needs resyncing (or recovering from backup).

Above problem with showing 1000x less quarks still present.

Advance is obvious.


One suggestion:

In configuration.ac change line
   
             AC_SUBST(INCLUDES)           =>           AC_SUBST(AM_CPPFLAGS)

INCLUDES is obsolete.



This wallet is not ready for testing at all! They have begun the transition- I will let you know when the update is complete and ready for testing-
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For devs of new wallet version 0.9.2 (new very early stage of development wallet) only:



But - I have 1000x less QRKs than before. Only a few Smiley Probably same with transactions.

Syncing with network probably work.

I refuse to test other sensitive options Smiley


After returning to current version of wallet, 0.8.23, or my 0.8.24, it seems blockchain is corrupted

Do not use this new early stage wallet 0.9.2, just for experiments, except if you have to like I had to Smiley Do backup! Smiley




I see devs work on new wallet based on gui from bitcoin v0.9.2.1.

I compiled wallet with newest github source for v0.9.2.1.  Some problems solved, wallet started normally. Blockchain seems downloaded fully but still not compatible with prev wallet v0.8.3.23 or my 24). So it needs resyncing (or recovering from backup).

Above problem with showing 1000x less quarks still present.

Advance is obvious.


One suggestion:

In configuration.ac change line
    
             AC_SUBST(INCLUDES)           =>           AC_SUBST(AM_CPPFLAGS)

INCLUDES is obsolete.

sr. member
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I think it´s worth to keep gathering information on the document because information in the forum disappear. Some really valuable information has been provided and I feel much less worried now.

Some of our core members are currently working on a new forum that will allow for more community participation. I think we should push things forward here. While we need capable developers to work on the code, the discussion process should be as effective as possible. We will soon need test users who help us to improve functionality. Who is willing to help us?

Also if you are a webdev or know some basic CSS coding your help is much welcome.

Next week I will release a game project draft that promotes Quark and needs funding. All of those who are seriously worried: please join the quarkuniverse IRC

https://kiwiirc.com/client/kornbluth.freenode.net/?nick=webguest#quarkuniverse

As you may or may not know, community members meet there, talk about Quark issues and join forces.

You can also chat with the new Social-Wallet (if you haven´t tried it already)
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Why would anyone stay with Quark? You are offering the hype features of the market and it will follow the typical cycle that all other coins have. How is there going to be long term sustainability and short term acceptable price increase?

YC


The more i think the more i like Cryptohunters opinion to go for a companion coin. This way Quark will be here and it's issues will be solved, i believe the dev pot will be higher if we go with a companion coin and it doesn't have to come from the community. People are free to buy the new coin, i know that new blood will come by and the new coin can be as gateway for new people to join quark. I would buy the companion coin and would hold the majority of my quark as well. Also i'm not that sure if the community will be divided completely because quarks hash rate is going to be fixed + more active dev and quark it is also pretty well known amongst everyone. If we just market both quark and the new coin in a balanced way it should be alright.


Because quark will have a secure network and enough funds to add features? This can be made possible with merge mining.

quarkfx mentioned some features which can be reached with enough funds seen below, with the available funds we can make quark better, If you have any better suggestions would be nice to hear it.

Decentralized Marketplace / Auction
Distributed Storage
Multi-signatures
Two-phase Payments
Voting System
Reputation System
Decentralized Mixing Service
Smart Contracts

I will be very happy if any of these features can be implemented  Smiley
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Why would anyone stay with Quark? You are offering the hype features of the market and it will follow the typical cycle that all other coins have. How is there going to be long term sustainability and short term acceptable price increase?

YC


The more i think the more i like Cryptohunters opinion to go for a companion coin. This way Quark will be here and it's issues will be solved, i believe the dev pot will be higher if we go with a companion coin and it doesn't have to come from the community. People are free to buy the new coin, i know that new blood will come by and the new coin can be as gateway for new people to join quark. I would buy the companion coin and would hold the majority of my quark as well. Also i'm not that sure if the community will be divided completely because quarks hash rate is going to be fixed + more active dev and quark it is also pretty well known amongst everyone. If we just market both quark and the new coin in a balanced way it should be alright.


Because quark will have a secure network and enough funds to add features? This can be made possible with merge mining.

quarkfx mentioned some features which can be reached with enough funds seen below, with the available funds we can make quark better, If you have any better suggestions would be nice to hear it.

Decentralized Marketplace / Auction
Distributed Storage
Multi-signatures
Two-phase Payments
Voting System
Reputation System
Decentralized Mixing Service
Smart Contracts
hero member
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Why would anyone stay with Quark? You are offering the hype features of the market and it will follow the typical cycle that all other coins have. How is there going to be long term sustainability and short term acceptable price increase?

YC


The more i think the more i like Cryptohunters opinion to go for a companion coin. This way Quark will be here and it's issues will be solved, i believe the dev pot will be higher if we go with a companion coin and it doesn't have to come from the community. People are free to buy the new coin, i know that new blood will come by and the new coin can be as gateway for new people to join quark. I would buy the companion coin and would hold the majority of my quark as well. Also i'm not that sure if the community will be divided completely because quarks hash rate is going to be fixed + more active dev and quark it is also pretty well known amongst everyone. If we just market both quark and the new coin in a balanced way it should be alright.

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Merge mining is more interesting to me than proof of burn because you basically destroy quark and have to start all over and hope the new coin will survive amongst the so many new coins. With a companion coin you still have Quark and get everything what proof of burn would offer and you don't destroy quark this way.

Although i would like the companion coin to be a brand new coin and not an already existing pretty much done coin which Kolin was after in the other Thread.
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The more i think the more i like Cryptohunters opinion to go for a companion coin. This way Quark will be here and it's issues will be solved, i believe the dev pot will be higher if we go with a companion coin and it doesn't have to come from the community. People are free to buy the new coin, i know that new blood will come by and the new coin can be as gateway for new people to join quark. I would buy the companion coin and would hold the majority of my quark as well. Also i'm not that sure if the community will be divided completely because quarks hash rate is going to be fixed + more active dev and quark it is also pretty well known amongst everyone. If we just market both quark and the new coin in a balanced way it should be alright.
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Btw. you can also join me in the same document where we are developing a solid structure for the future forum of Quark. The forum is meant to be the place where

- the Foundation informs about ongoing projects & update status
- the Community elects representants of the Foundation or expresses their opinion on routelines the Foundation should take
- the Community develops projects and joins taskforces
- the Community crowdfunds ideas
- the Community earns Quark for participation in discussion processes (like this one)
- add what you like

If you want to help out with the tech, you can also join #quarkuniverse and contact us (cashmen, iamfx, jomk)


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@ Cryptohunter this is what i worry about with a companion coin.

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I think if we want to have any hope of maintaining Quark's value during the switch we need to use proof-of-burn (granted, Quark's value is super-low right now but we are still around #20 in marketcap among the hundreds and hundreds of coins out there). I worry that if we make a companion coin without killing quark (or at least some quarkcoins) then all we will do is divide the quark community in half. Some will stick with quark and others will move to the companion coin...especially if it experiences a pump after its launch.

To ensure that the new coin has value we need to destroy something that currently does have value--i.e. quarkcoins.


Just my 2 quarks.

Sorry i had not finished updating my post...


No i don't think this would happen. Ask yourself what you would do.

1. I think when we have a clear plan of action with the teams in place i mentioned you will see a lot of people buying qrk ready to purchase the new coin. These will be new blood and new btc.

2. I hold a lot of qrk. Will i sell them all for the new coin? No way. Most big stores and business will not deal with an unknown tech like POS and anon. These i think will be used rather for other things but still these things we must provide for. So qrk itself will stay open and transparent. QRk will be getting a large development pot this will be in conjunction with the price of qrk rising. That pot will have long term purchasing power for qrk development and services too.  I like the QRK name, it has history now in crypto terms, it has the shaq fu game coming, everyone in crypto knows qrk. I think it can have great long term prospects. I would swap no more than 50% max and that is if the new coin really had a great white paper , lots of services coming and good support from the crypto community.

Why must we destroy the qrk? if it is taken off of the market and held until such time we can sell small chunks to bring in and motivate new teams. May be we would not even consider using that pot until qrk reaches 30k sats again. Even then it does not need to be directly sold to the market. It can be off market transfers for services provided. Most services providers will likely want to hold a nice chunk of their investment. Sure eventually all qrks will trickle on to the market at some point. We just need a huge market before it does. We can control this.

if we go with a companion coin we must keep quark involved as much as possible with the new coin to keep it interesting and certainly NOT give people the idea that we are jumping out of quark and converting to the new one. On the other hand the new coin must be successful for both coins to succeed. We also need to keep people interested in quark. Attention to both coins from especially the core members needs to be evenly balanced.
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@ Cryptohunter this is what i worry about with a companion coin.

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I think if we want to have any hope of maintaining Quark's value during the switch we need to use proof-of-burn (granted, Quark's value is super-low right now but we are still around #20 in marketcap among the hundreds and hundreds of coins out there). I worry that if we make a companion coin without killing quark (or at least some quarkcoins) then all we will do is divide the quark community in half. Some will stick with quark and others will move to the companion coin...especially if it experiences a pump after its launch.

To ensure that the new coin has value we need to destroy something that currently does have value--i.e. quarkcoins.


Just my 2 quarks.

Sorry i had not finished updating my post...


No i don't think this would happen. Ask yourself what you would do.

1. I think when we have a clear plan of action with the teams in place i mentioned you will see a lot of people buying qrk ready to purchase the new coin. These will be new blood and new btc.

2. I hold a lot of qrk. Will i sell them all for the new coin? No way. Most big stores and business will not deal with an unknown tech like POS and anon. These i think will be used rather for other things but still these things we must provide for. So qrk itself will stay open and transparent. QRk will be getting a large development pot this will be in conjunction with the price of qrk rising. That pot will have long term purchasing power for qrk development and services too.  I like the QRK name, it has history now in crypto terms, it has the shaq fu game coming, everyone in crypto knows qrk. I think it can have great long term prospects. I would swap no more than 50% max and that is if the new coin really had a great white paper , lots of services coming and good support from the crypto community.

Why must we destroy the qrk? if it is taken off of the market and held until such time we can sell small chunks to bring in and motivate new teams. May be we would not even consider using that pot until qrk reaches 30k sats again. Even then it does not need to be directly sold to the market. It can be off market transfers for services provided. Most services providers will likely want to hold a nice chunk of their investment. Sure eventually all qrks will trickle on to the market at some point. We just need a huge market before it does. We can control this.
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@ Cryptohunter this is what i worry about with a companion coin.

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I think if we want to have any hope of maintaining Quark's value during the switch we need to use proof-of-burn (granted, Quark's value is super-low right now but we are still around #20 in marketcap among the hundreds and hundreds of coins out there). I worry that if we make a companion coin without killing quark (or at least some quarkcoins) then all we will do is divide the quark community in half. Some will stick with quark and others will move to the companion coin...especially if it experiences a pump after its launch.

To ensure that the new coin has value we need to destroy something that currently does have value--i.e. quarkcoins.


Just my 2 quarks.

@ReRaise, Cryptohunter, ycagel, Gondel anyone

Meet me in the document and let´s put those different ideas with pros and cons together so we have a list:

http://bit.ly/quarkscenarios
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@ Cryptohunter this is what i worry about with a companion coin.

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I think if we want to have any hope of maintaining Quark's value during the switch we need to use proof-of-burn (granted, Quark's value is super-low right now but we are still around #20 in marketcap among the hundreds and hundreds of coins out there). I worry that if we make a companion coin without killing quark (or at least some quarkcoins) then all we will do is divide the quark community in half. Some will stick with quark and others will move to the companion coin...especially if it experiences a pump after its launch.

To ensure that the new coin has value we need to destroy something that currently does have value--i.e. quarkcoins.


Just my 2 quarks.
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@cryptohunter


the problem is here, that we have not acted or reacted to what the market wants for 6 months and the price is falling off of a cliff. Time is a real concern here.

I agree that too much time has passed undone (especially since some people simply talked problems away) but this doesn´t change that we need to weigh up advantages and disadvantages in the present and should at no cost rush into any solution in my opinion.

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2. half the qrk holders will not use their qrk to buy coins with POS and anon features. They seem to highly object to them being added to qrk anyway.

On what base do you make this statement?

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3. we could release this coin in batches and control the amount of QRKs that can be used to pay for the new coin.

4. the foundation will control the qrk that was used to buy the new coin they will not dump it on the market like those leaving qrk for other coins.

Even if the foundation would control the Quarks and hold them back from market people will ask themselves if they should rather stick with quark or the other coin and why the hell there is a second coin. From the perspective of an observer this is confusing and as long as there is no obvious good reason why there are two coins it doesn´t sound sustainable to me.

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Are you part of the QRK foundation already?

I received a foundational mail address because I was contacting possible external partners, so I would consider myself to be associated to the foundation. I always rejected to become part of the foundation as long as it has no democratic and transparent structure. However, I am working closely with the people and I can tell you that everyone is working hard to find a solution. I think the problem that makes it take so long is a lack of institutionalization. The foundation needs a real structure and things will become more effective and less time consuming. However, this is tough work and all of us have normal life, work & freetime. This is why I am pushing for public discussions. We should do this together and exchange opinions publicly.

@reRaise

I don´t know to whom DI refers when he says "we". I know he had his own plans - if the Foundation would have agreed on something like this I would know and it is no t the case.



Hi there,

Been away for a couple of days... although great to return and see some discussion going on.


1. - Yes - not rush but must act within a reasonable time frame.

2. - Basing this statement on what people have said in the thread ( so has small power statistically speaking) but i see a lot anti POS/anon - basically any kind of new features.

3. - The clear reason for the 2nd coin would be - more features, POS, Anon and anything else to catch rides on hype trains (never ignore hype) it brings qrk new members of the community and new BTC.
       I would keep some of my qrks and not switch them over because yes mainstream application is likely to look more towards coins that are open and are not anon. Who knows maybe pos has flaws etc , there            are many reasons i would still hold my qrks. Also all new services created by the qrk pot and new companion coin pot can accept qrk too.

4.- I am glad you're part of the foundation. I like active members.  I like people that want to have open discussions on things before implementation.


Again i can only stress that i see Zero negatives for the companion coin. It is no more competition that the other 400 coins out there, it will bring many advantages.

This time though we need to ensure a very active development team, community manager/s, marketing teams and project managers. All should be rewarded for completed tasks upon completion. No more expecting people to work for free. They need to be fully invested and committed to qrk and the new companion coin. QRK has started to die because it is competing against teams that have full funding and have more resources and motivation.

Max made a great coin, but i watched nothing be done until it sank to 21 sats. This will happen again. He did not premine nor instamine and to be honest i would not even like to say he has any qrk remaining. He is probably a very high level coder and has a great job. QRK was quite possibly a fun project not something he wants to dedicate his life to.

First thing we need is some new leadership. A set out structure of the foundation so we know who is who, and how committed they are.

Next we need to action some of these plans. I see no difference between coin swapping/burning than the ipo is QRK? this is the same thing except they are going to destroy the qrk? This is kind of a trust based idea again. How to we know the keys are destroyed? I don't like the idea and also there is no reason to destroy it. The fact it will be taken off the market and held by the foundation in a transparent address is enough to see that is taken off of the market and only released as and when the community thinks it is a good time. I could be years of funds for projects and services to bring on teams that are committed to qrk.

You will see as these qrks are taken out of the market qrk along with new planned development for qrk and its companion coin the price of qrk will rocket. There are not many qrks being sold but there are zero buyers. Bring in some reason to buy and you will see a very sharp reversal.

However time is critical. We need to get going now while we have some purchasing power behind us.

May be we make it that you can only buy so many of the new companion coin at one time..... then based on activity and qrk dedication you can buy more. There are lots of interesting things we can do here. First the leadership, 2nd the coders. I mean without some high level coders behind us there is no point discussing it. However if i was a coder and was told there will be a 10% development pot + the large QRK pot to use up over the next years + an established community + a ton of real investors that can be reached by bill once we have some rock solid investments for them. QRK is still in a great position and if i were a coder i would be very keen to put myself forward for this.

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Going with proof of burn and keeping the quark name is also an option
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