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December 14, 2013, 06:46:11 AM
The scam behind Quark !!!

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1su2aj/the_scam_behind_quarkcoin/

Get out while you still can!!!

Honestly, the day I started investing in Cryptocurrency I expected stuff like this to go on behind the scenes for every single coin. Every one of them. No exception.

Just because in this case due to QRK's large market share people dig a bit harder....does not mean weird things do not go on with the majority of alt coins. Quark is interesting from a technological standpoint, but I did not buy a few hundred of it's stock because I expect it to be founded by an ethical group of people or something nonsense like that.

True,it was fun riding the QRK wave but now its time to move on. Though i still believe there are honest coins, you only have to do your research and follow your instincts.
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December 14, 2013, 06:45:02 AM
indeed,  let the market decide -  good times .
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December 14, 2013, 06:32:14 AM
The scam behind Quark !!!

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1su2aj/the_scam_behind_quarkcoin/

Get out while you still can!!!

Honestly, the day I started investing in Cryptocurrency I expected stuff like this to go on behind the scenes for every single coin. Every one of them. No exception.

Just because in this case due to QRK's large market share people dig a bit harder....does not mean weird things do not go on with the majority of alt coins. Quark is interesting from a technological standpoint, but I did not buy a few hundred of it's stock because I expect it to be founded by an ethical group of people or something nonsense like that.
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December 14, 2013, 06:30:46 AM
The scam behind Quark !!!

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1su2aj/the_scam_behind_quarkcoin/

Get out while you still can!!!

give up my friend. they are using bots to post in this thread, they are not all real people. they have a program they use to post with multiple accounts. hence all the 30 post/30 activity posters.

lol bots? you must be a shareholder of QRK coming up with a reply like this..

READ PEOPLE READ!! http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1su2aj/the_scam_behind_quarkcoin/ce1efux
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Vires in Numeris
December 14, 2013, 06:30:19 AM
The place is not the problem, the instamine is.
Two years into bitcoin you could still get bitcoins without having to risk capital. 6 months into quark? 96% of all quarks mined. So anyone getting in within the last 6 months has 0% risk other than their time/electricity costs. Everyone else has to pay.

If you mine bitcoins you still pay for your equipment and electricity, so you still risk capital. You'll find that mining price and buying price is closely related.

The fact is, bitcoin is still very much an inflationary currency (where the definition of inflation used is "an increase in money supply").

The economic idea behind this model is to have a relative constant money supply. The yearly 0.5% inflation (i.e. increase in money supply) is to reward miners to keep the network going and to replace coins that get lost (e.g. lost wallets).

Max, thank you for your levelheaded replies. It's easy to get carried away when so much money is at stake.
Bitcoin has a constant money supply, we know exactly when the last block will be mined and how many blocks are mined each day.
I already mentioned that they risk nothing but their time/electricity costs.
I don't have a crystal ball so I can't accurately predict the benefit of your model. The idea is for quarkcoin to find its value by way of price discovery and not be controlled by the difficulty or miners. In theory this could work, but the fact that you've given magnitudes greater of an unfair advantage to such a small group of people is astonishing. Do you really see the whole world adopting something obviously controlled by a small group of people? Our current banking and government systems work this way already. Do you see it ever being more than a speculative asset?


First of all, can you please stop using BOLD on your texts? You are screaming for attention, obviously not capable enough of getting it without text-formatting-nonsense.

Secondly, although your point about a small group controlling a large part of QRK's might be true - it is also valid for nearly ALL coins in existence, including Bitcoin (a thousand people control the majority of bitcoins, if I recollect an article I read recently).

By definition cryptocurrencies are all "unfair" ; thats the whole result of having a) premining b) mining with silly low difficulty in the beginning. Early adopters always have millions of coins whilst later people will struggle to get hundreds.

Even if a coin does not appear to be owned by a relatively small number of people it just means that the early adopters / developers took the time and effort to spread their activity over hundreds of wallets. Not very difficult if you know how to program code.

So your point : Oh no..QRK is unevenly distributed! Really? No shit sherlock! So are all coins, especially in their infancy.
Now, I'm not defending Quark in itself here...rather attacking *all* cryptocurrencies. I think cryptocurrencies are by definition unfair in their design due to premining or extremely steep difficulty curves.

And please...please...stop using the silly bold to emphasize your messages. If everyone starts doing that the forum will be a nightmare to read (as are your posts currently).
Don't be a dick, I find the default text hard to read. I think everyone should use bold and make that the new default weight. It was only my attempt to make my writing more legible. If I was screaming for attention I WOULD BE TALKING LIKE THIS GAIS!!

True there are a lot of bitcoin whales but many of the wallets that hold the majority of bitcoins are understandably the wallets of Mtgox, Silkroad, etc. This has already been debunked.
While it's true early adopters will always have an unfair advantage, never like that seen in quarkcoin. Not all coins are premined, instamined or poorly executed. Even if the early adopters of some coins did mine their coins over a large amount of wallets their hashing power would soon be evened out by other miners joining the scene. So a fair coin launch would see that the creators were the first miner, but it wouldn't be for long.
Within days of releasing a coin the hashrate would be several times higher than on its release.
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December 14, 2013, 06:24:09 AM
The scam behind Quark !!!

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1su2aj/the_scam_behind_quarkcoin/

Get out while you still can!!!

give up my friend. they are using bots to post in this thread, they are not all real people. they have a program they use to post with multiple accounts. hence all the 30 post/30 activity posters.
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December 14, 2013, 06:21:47 AM
Why are people selling??

Quark hasn't started trading on btc38.com yet.

When it does, boom right back up and higher!

Cheap QRK, for all those whiners, get in now.

Same play as BTC, buy the dips and profit!!!


This arguing about merits of various coins is a waste of effort.


So much money is pouring into AltCoins everything will skyrocket. It all started a few weeks ago and will continue for a long time. Get in now.
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December 14, 2013, 06:21:32 AM
The scam behind Quark !!!

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1su2aj/the_scam_behind_quarkcoin/

Get out while you still can!!!

I feel dizzy reading that page for 30s. who care to read the whole page? (I doubt the majority will)
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December 14, 2013, 06:20:23 AM
The place is not the problem, the instamine is.
Two years into bitcoin you could still get bitcoins without having to risk capital. 6 months into quark? 96% of all quarks mined. So anyone getting in within the last 6 months has 0% risk other than their time/electricity costs. Everyone else has to pay.

If you mine bitcoins you still pay for your equipment and electricity, so you still risk capital. You'll find that mining price and buying price is closely related.

The fact is, bitcoin is still very much an inflationary currency (where the definition of inflation used is "an increase in money supply").

The economic idea behind this model is to have a relative constant money supply. The yearly 0.5% inflation (i.e. increase in money supply) is to reward miners to keep the network going and to replace coins that get lost (e.g. lost wallets).

Max, thank you for your levelheaded replies. It's easy to get carried away when so much money is at stake.
Bitcoin has a constant money supply, we know exactly when the last block will be mined and how many blocks are mined each day.
I already mentioned that they risk nothing but their time/electricity costs.
I don't have a crystal ball so I can't accurately predict the benefit of your model. The idea is for quarkcoin to find its value by way of price discovery and not be controlled by the difficulty or miners. In theory this could work, but the fact that you've given magnitudes greater of an unfair advantage to such a small group of people is astonishing. Do you really see the whole world adopting something obviously controlled by a small group of people? Our current banking and government systems work this way already. Do you see it ever being more than a speculative asset?

It is similar with all crypto-currencies that the early adopters get the most coins. When Bitcoin was released, preciously few people knew about it before the first 25 or 50% were mined.

At least when Quark came out there was a huge crypto-currency community that could jump on the band-wagon.

Personally I don't think the distribution is so concentrated. That's just my opinion. Just like someone bought a pizza with 10,000 BTC in the early days, a lot of early miners of Quark were more than happy to sell millions of Quarks at a low price to a collection of buyers.
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December 14, 2013, 06:18:38 AM
The place is not the problem, the instamine is.
Two years into bitcoin you could still get bitcoins without having to risk capital. 6 months into quark? 96% of all quarks mined. So anyone getting in within the last 6 months has 0% risk other than their time/electricity costs. Everyone else has to pay.

If you mine bitcoins you still pay for your equipment and electricity, so you still risk capital. You'll find that mining price and buying price is closely related.

The fact is, bitcoin is still very much an inflationary currency (where the definition of inflation used is "an increase in money supply").

The economic idea behind this model is to have a relative constant money supply. The yearly 0.5% inflation (i.e. increase in money supply) is to reward miners to keep the network going and to replace coins that get lost (e.g. lost wallets).

Max, thank you for your levelheaded replies. It's easy to get carried away when so much money is at stake.
Bitcoin has a constant money supply, we know exactly when the last block will be mined and how many blocks are mined each day.
I already mentioned that they risk nothing but their time/electricity costs.
I don't have a crystal ball so I can't accurately predict the benefit of your model. The idea is for quarkcoin to find its value by way of price discovery and not be controlled by the difficulty or miners. In theory this could work, but the fact that you've given magnitudes greater of an unfair advantage to such a small group of people is astonishing. Do you really see the whole world adopting something obviously controlled by a small group of people? Our current banking and government systems work this way already. Do you see it ever being more than a speculative asset?


First of all, can you please stop using BOLD on your texts? You are screaming for attention, obviously not capable enough of getting it without text-formatting-nonsense.

Secondly, although your point about a small group controlling a large part of QRK's might be true - it is also valid for nearly ALL coins in existence, including Bitcoin (a thousand people control the majority of bitcoins, if I recollect an article I read recently).

By definition cryptocurrencies are all "unfair" ; thats the whole result of having a) premining b) mining with silly low difficulty in the beginning. Early adopters always have millions of coins whilst later people will struggle to get hundreds.

Even if a coin does not appear to be owned by a relatively small number of people it just means that the early adopters / developers took the time and effort to spread their activity over hundreds of wallets. Not very difficult if you know how to program code.

So your point : Oh no..QRK is unevenly distributed! Really? No shit sherlock! So are all coins, especially in their infancy.
Now, I'm not defending Quark in itself here...rather attacking *all* cryptocurrencies. I think cryptocurrencies are by definition unfair in their design due to premining or extremely steep difficulty curves.

And please...please...stop using the silly bold to emphasize your messages. If everyone starts doing that the forum will be a nightmare to read (as are your posts currently).
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December 14, 2013, 06:15:41 AM
The scam behind Quark !!!

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1su2aj/the_scam_behind_quarkcoin/

Get out while you still can!!!
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Vires in Numeris
December 14, 2013, 06:05:34 AM
The place is not the problem, the instamine is.
Two years into bitcoin you could still get bitcoins without having to risk capital. 6 months into quark? 96% of all quarks mined. So anyone getting in within the last 6 months has 0% risk other than their time/electricity costs. Everyone else has to pay.

If you mine bitcoins you still pay for your equipment and electricity, so you still risk capital. You'll find that mining price and buying price is closely related.

The fact is, bitcoin is still very much an inflationary currency (where the definition of inflation used is "an increase in money supply").

The economic idea behind this model is to have a relative constant money supply. The yearly 0.5% inflation (i.e. increase in money supply) is to reward miners to keep the network going and to replace coins that get lost (e.g. lost wallets).

Max, thank you for your levelheaded replies. It's easy to get carried away when so much money is at stake.
Bitcoin has a constant money supply, we know exactly when the last block will be mined and how many blocks are mined each day.
I already mentioned that they risk nothing but their time/electricity costs.
I don't have a crystal ball so I can't accurately predict the benefit of your model. The idea is for quarkcoin to find its value by way of price discovery and not be controlled by the difficulty or miners. In theory this could work, but the fact that you've given magnitudes greater of an unfair advantage to such a small group of people is astonishing. Do you really see the whole world adopting something obviously controlled by a small group of people? Our current banking and government systems work this way already. Do you see it ever being more than a speculative asset?
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December 14, 2013, 05:56:05 AM
this coin is a stain. that is all

care to explain OR better yet say ONE coin better and reason.

there are many coins that are better than this one. none of them are cpu coins, which are a de-evolution in cryptocurrency. the point of cryptography is to increase entropy, not the time it takes to solve for x.
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December 14, 2013, 05:55:20 AM
Hi

To respond to some of these claims:

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I pushed for an audit of the blockchain (http://forum.qrk.cc/thread/368/auditing-block-chain), and what we've found (http://forum.qrk.cc/thread/568/quark-faqs-compiling-fact-sheet) is incredibly disheartening.

The fact is the distribution of Quark similar to Litecoin, Namecoin and Peercoin:

http://forum.qrk.cc/thread/681/top-100-wallet-concentration

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A few people mined 95% of all quarks in a very short period of time.

Quark was announced on Bitcointalk where probably tens of thousands of users had the opportunity to mine from the very first block.

There was no "pre-mine".

This is not true for a lot of other alt-coins.

The period of mining is similar to Infinitecoin, Extremecoin and numerous other altcoins.

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The code had not been touched in 5 months. No infrastructure. No nothing.

Untrue. Regular checkpoints were added and bug fixes were done.

https://github.com/MaxGuevara/quark/commits/master/src

In terms of infrastructure. Seed nodes were provided, Quark was sucessfully submitted to coinpayments.net, etc.

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Kolin Evans was never a "Quark Developer" (as he claimed to be in the Bill Still interview). That was a lie - Quark "enthusiast" would have been a more appropriate title.

Kolin is a Quark enthusiast.

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Max, originator, has no interest in Quark leadership or development - would rather relegate such to the community to decide on a consensus basis.

I still stand by Quark belonging to its community.

Regards
Max

I wish that Max was the mouth of Quark as well as the developer.  A nice, cool, calm answer to all the points made.  You didn't put anyone down, no holier than thou BS.  Good work.  
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December 14, 2013, 05:54:07 AM
Bye bye Quacks

ha ha you poor children think , we were relying on a single exchange that is going to list us anyhow ?

wow when you take a break from WOW , do you find the world strange and amusing ? do you find it hard to focus on one thing for more than 20 seconds ?

ha ha - you think people care what you think , that is the cutest part-
instead of shitting on people why don't you offer some actual debate?
Every single thing that comes out of your mouth just proves how much of a shill you are for quark.
You obviously hold a considerable amount of quarks, enough so that you are blind to the reality of the situation.
Maybe you are in on it? Maybe you just got lucky.
I think if I had a couple million quarks, I too, would shill for this perverse system.

Because hey, if it makes me rich, it can't be that bad right?


Oh, you're like this guy --

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rr4eg/keiser_promoting_another_scamcoin_pump_and_dump/cdq23iy

Ok, what points do you have against Quarks?


It's a worthless, frontloaded scamcoin with obscene block rewards, designed to reward early investors/miners. quark is a clone of sifcoin anyway, which actually made the innovations. Secure coin is no better than quark, since baritus removed the quark copyrights, but atleast it has realistic block rewards.
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December 14, 2013, 05:53:38 AM
The place is not the problem, the instamine is.
Two years into bitcoin you could still get bitcoins without having to risk capital. 6 months into quark? 96% of all quarks mined. So anyone getting in within the last 6 months has 0% risk other than their time/electricity costs. Everyone else has to pay.

If you mine bitcoins you still pay for your equipment and electricity, so you still risk capital. You'll find that mining price and buying price is closely related.

The fact is, bitcoin is still very much an inflationary currency (where the definition of inflation used is "an increase in money supply").

The economic idea behind this model is to have a relative constant money supply. The yearly 0.5% inflation (i.e. increase in money supply) is to reward miners to keep the network going and to replace coins that get lost (e.g. lost wallets).
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Vires in Numeris
December 14, 2013, 05:53:22 AM
You want to release a global currency but only create a fair entry-point for "tens of thousands"?

Almost every crypto-currency released in the last year has been released on bitcointalk.

The place is not the problem, the instamine is.
Two years into bitcoin you could still get bitcoins without having to risk capital. 6 months into quark? 96% of all quarks mined. So anyone getting in within the last 6 months has 0% risk other than their time/electricity costs. Everyone else has to pay.
Also your "fair distribution" model (if it can even be called a model) is so beyond flawed. Do you really think the majority of all coins have switched hands and there's this even distribution? please.
Trading volume follows in an order of magnitude higher the trading capital.
200 Million trade volume = 20 million exchanged.
In fact, I could just trade the same 1 million back and forth to myself.




how would I get Bitcoin without risking capital  ?

I'll just wait here for the explanation -  (this should be good chess master)
by mining? was that supposed to be a "OMG I got you I'm so leet!" moment?
Two years into bitcoin you could mine with an old laptop and still get coins.
I'm still debating with myself whether its even worth the use of explaining to you what fair distribution actually means.
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December 14, 2013, 05:52:51 AM
this coin is a stain. that is all

care to explain OR better yet say ONE coin better and reason.
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December 14, 2013, 05:51:12 AM
this coin is a stain. that is all
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December 14, 2013, 05:51:00 AM
I always buy at most expensive prices. They always go down while I sleep
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