[ANN] Real Estate Blockchain Crowdfunding Technology - page 184.

melissa_sapmaz

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Quote from: CYPER on August 11, 2017, 10:32:18 PM

Can I get some info on what forces will affect the price of REAL tokens?
I assume the strongest force will be perceived value and speculation?
Also expected return on investment?

Will some REAL tokens be more expensive, simply because they are bringing more profit due to being invested in better properties?

Basically if I were to spend 100ETH on Real, then apart from the dividents being paid can I expect the tokens to go up in value? And why?

Cheers

Hi CYPER! Main force behind value grow will be users demand. As the site becomes successful and more users enjoy its profits there will be a demand of more REAL tokens and price will go up.

melissa_sapmaz

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Quote from: BossBee on August 11, 2017, 09:55:38 PM

So anyone that presents an idea to develop housing or a business can simply petition the REAL network with a thorough plan showing the potential increase of value of said real estate and it will likely get funded?

Hi Bossbee!! It will have to pass our requirements like yield suitability, third party valuation, market conditions first.

Dudeperfect

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This concept seems interesting and I think I would give it a try. However, I see a less clear picture of how it's exactly going to work? It makes logic to bring investors from the world to participate in the investment of the particular properties and to earn returns from it. Let's see what happens, I am tracking this topic and will definitely try it during ICO sale.

CYPER

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Can I get some info on what forces will affect the price of REAL tokens?
I assume the strongest force will be perceived value and speculation?
Also expected return on investment?

Will some REAL tokens be more expensive, simply because they are bringing more profit due to being invested in better properties?

Basically if I were to spend 100ETH on Real, then apart from the dividents being paid can I expect the tokens to go up in value? And why?

Cheers

BossBee

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So anyone that presents an idea to develop housing or a business can simply petition the REAL network with a thorough plan showing the potential increase of value of said real estate and it will likely get funded?

WhoCaresCoins

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F*CK WHALES!

This project looks very interesting.

melissa_sapmaz

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Quote from: ArtcoinMike on August 11, 2017, 02:07:15 PM

Quote from: melissa_sapmaz on August 11, 2017, 01:01:37 PM

Quote from: ArtcoinMike on August 11, 2017, 12:54:49 PM

Quote from: melissa_sapmaz on August 11, 2017, 12:08:06 PM

Quote from: ArtcoinMike on August 11, 2017, 11:45:36 AM

Quote from: melissa_sapmaz on August 11, 2017, 08:50:15 AM

Quote from: ArtcoinMike on August 11, 2017, 08:44:48 AM

Why does this need to be a blockchain project? Firms like fundrise already do this and have much lower expense ratios...

Why blockchain? transparency, liquidity and global access. Read more on https://medium.com/@real_token/the-need-for-real-123d970ba812

Much lower ? No. Much more expensive. Fundrise charges 1% per year on invested amount plus 2% setup fee. REAL charges 0% per year on invested amount and 0% setup fee. REAL just takes a comission of profits, ending up way cheaper.

That is really deceptive, you are allocating 20% of the token supply to founders, your fees are irrelevant, the value of the portfolio is diluted by at least 20% - meaning, on the backside, investors are giving away 20% of the value of the portfolio to you, that is much higher than a 1% annual fee.

That is also not correct Mike! This is not a fund and tokens are not shares.

REAL is a crowdfunding platform that will distribute 90% of net profits to its users.

Tokens are the internal currency that will be used to invest into properties.

Let me know if you have more doubts,

Thanks

Melissa

So, the dividends from cashflows will be distributed to token holders proportional to the number of REAL they own and invest in properties?

Yes. Every user will be able to choose different properties and build a custom portfolio.

Got it, so you are diluting the supply by 20% to compensate founders plus 10% out of the expenses before posting the dividends, again, this seems very expensive. In exchange, there are none of the protections you get with a traditional REIT. Do token holders have any rights to the deeds of the properties explicitly of would we have to rely on REAL to facilitate recovery to token holders in case liquidation happens? (IE, who owns the real estate itself, what explicit legal rights do token holders have?)

We will dilute the supply by 20% in 6-24 months time (our tokens are locked with vesting and cliff).

Our goal is that by then the Token value will have grown way more than 20% therefore it will end up being a great opportunity. That can't happen in non crypto real estate crowdfunding sites.

We will offer the same rights and guarantees as REIT do, plus everything will be recorded in the blockchain and function with smart contracts. Not only a third party audit.

Melissa

ArtcoinMike

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Quote from: melissa_sapmaz on August 11, 2017, 01:01:37 PM

Quote from: ArtcoinMike on August 11, 2017, 12:54:49 PM

Quote from: melissa_sapmaz on August 11, 2017, 12:08:06 PM

Quote from: ArtcoinMike on August 11, 2017, 11:45:36 AM

Quote from: melissa_sapmaz on August 11, 2017, 08:50:15 AM

Quote from: ArtcoinMike on August 11, 2017, 08:44:48 AM

Why does this need to be a blockchain project? Firms like fundrise already do this and have much lower expense ratios...

Why blockchain? transparency, liquidity and global access. Read more on https://medium.com/@real_token/the-need-for-real-123d970ba812

Much lower ? No. Much more expensive. Fundrise charges 1% per year on invested amount plus 2% setup fee. REAL charges 0% per year on invested amount and 0% setup fee. REAL just takes a comission of profits, ending up way cheaper.

That is really deceptive, you are allocating 20% of the token supply to founders, your fees are irrelevant, the value of the portfolio is diluted by at least 20% - meaning, on the backside, investors are giving away 20% of the value of the portfolio to you, that is much higher than a 1% annual fee.

That is also not correct Mike! This is not a fund and tokens are not shares.

REAL is a crowdfunding platform that will distribute 90% of net profits to its users.

Tokens are the internal currency that will be used to invest into properties.

Let me know if you have more doubts,

Thanks

Melissa

So, the dividends from cashflows will be distributed to token holders proportional to the number of REAL they own and invest in properties?

Yes. Every user will be able to choose different properties and build a custom portfolio.

Got it, so you are diluting the supply by 20% to compensate founders plus 10% out of the expenses before posting the dividends, again, this seems very expensive. In exchange, there are none of the protections you get with a traditional REIT. Do token holders have any rights to the deeds of the properties explicitly of would we have to rely on REAL to facilitate recovery to token holders in case liquidation happens? (IE, who owns the real estate itself, what explicit legal rights do token holders have?)

melissa_sapmaz

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Quote from: ArtcoinMike on August 11, 2017, 12:54:49 PM

Quote from: melissa_sapmaz on August 11, 2017, 12:08:06 PM

Quote from: ArtcoinMike on August 11, 2017, 11:45:36 AM

Quote from: melissa_sapmaz on August 11, 2017, 08:50:15 AM

Quote from: ArtcoinMike on August 11, 2017, 08:44:48 AM

Why does this need to be a blockchain project? Firms like fundrise already do this and have much lower expense ratios...

Why blockchain? transparency, liquidity and global access. Read more on https://medium.com/@real_token/the-need-for-real-123d970ba812

Much lower ? No. Much more expensive. Fundrise charges 1% per year on invested amount plus 2% setup fee. REAL charges 0% per year on invested amount and 0% setup fee. REAL just takes a comission of profits, ending up way cheaper.

That is really deceptive, you are allocating 20% of the token supply to founders, your fees are irrelevant, the value of the portfolio is diluted by at least 20% - meaning, on the backside, investors are giving away 20% of the value of the portfolio to you, that is much higher than a 1% annual fee.

That is also not correct Mike! This is not a fund and tokens are not shares.

REAL is a crowdfunding platform that will distribute 90% of net profits to its users.

Tokens are the internal currency that will be used to invest into properties.

Let me know if you have more doubts,

Thanks

Melissa

So, the dividends from cashflows will be distributed to token holders proportional to the number of REAL they own and invest in properties?

Yes. Every user will be able to choose different properties and build a custom portfolio.

ArtcoinMike

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Quote from: melissa_sapmaz on August 11, 2017, 12:08:06 PM

Quote from: ArtcoinMike on August 11, 2017, 11:45:36 AM

Quote from: melissa_sapmaz on August 11, 2017, 08:50:15 AM

Quote from: ArtcoinMike on August 11, 2017, 08:44:48 AM

Why does this need to be a blockchain project? Firms like fundrise already do this and have much lower expense ratios...

Why blockchain? transparency, liquidity and global access. Read more on https://medium.com/@real_token/the-need-for-real-123d970ba812

Much lower ? No. Much more expensive. Fundrise charges 1% per year on invested amount plus 2% setup fee. REAL charges 0% per year on invested amount and 0% setup fee. REAL just takes a comission of profits, ending up way cheaper.

That is really deceptive, you are allocating 20% of the token supply to founders, your fees are irrelevant, the value of the portfolio is diluted by at least 20% - meaning, on the backside, investors are giving away 20% of the value of the portfolio to you, that is much higher than a 1% annual fee.

That is also not correct Mike! This is not a fund and tokens are not shares.

REAL is a crowdfunding platform that will distribute 90% of net profits to its users.

Tokens are the internal currency that will be used to invest into properties.

Let me know if you have more doubts,

Thanks

Melissa

So, the dividends from cashflows will be distributed to token holders proportional to the number of REAL they own and invest in properties?

Bay_Harbour_Butcher

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looks like interesting project , and I admire the people behind this project. This would be a huge success in the future.

melissa_sapmaz

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Quote from: ArtcoinMike on August 11, 2017, 11:45:36 AM

Quote from: melissa_sapmaz on August 11, 2017, 08:50:15 AM

Quote from: ArtcoinMike on August 11, 2017, 08:44:48 AM

Why does this need to be a blockchain project? Firms like fundrise already do this and have much lower expense ratios...

Why blockchain? transparency, liquidity and global access. Read more on https://medium.com/@real_token/the-need-for-real-123d970ba812

Much lower ? No. Much more expensive. Fundrise charges 1% per year on invested amount plus 2% setup fee. REAL charges 0% per year on invested amount and 0% setup fee. REAL just takes a comission of profits, ending up way cheaper.

That is really deceptive, you are allocating 20% of the token supply to founders, your fees are irrelevant, the value of the portfolio is diluted by at least 20% - meaning, on the backside, investors are giving away 20% of the value of the portfolio to you, that is much higher than a 1% annual fee.

That is also not correct Mike! This is not a fund and tokens are not shares.

REAL is a crowdfunding platform that will distribute 90% of net profits to its users.

Tokens are the internal currency that will be used to invest into properties.

Let me know if you have more doubts,

Thanks

Melissa

ArtcoinMike

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Quote from: melissa_sapmaz on August 11, 2017, 08:50:15 AM

Quote from: ArtcoinMike on August 11, 2017, 08:44:48 AM

Why does this need to be a blockchain project? Firms like fundrise already do this and have much lower expense ratios...

Why blockchain? transparency, liquidity and global access. Read more on https://medium.com/@real_token/the-need-for-real-123d970ba812

Much lower ? No. Much more expensive. Fundrise charges 1% per year on invested amount plus 2% setup fee. REAL charges 0% per year on invested amount and 0% setup fee. REAL just takes a comission of profits, ending up way cheaper.

That is really deceptive, you are allocating 20% of the token supply to founders, your fees are irrelevant, the value of the portfolio is diluted by at least 20% - meaning, on the backside, investors are giving away 20% of the value of the portfolio to you, that is much higher than a 1% annual fee.

vitocorp

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Since the turn of the millennium, real estate has doubled the performance of the S&P 500. Unfortunately, real estate is notoriously illiquid and is too expensive for average investors. REAL (Real Estate Asset Ledger) aims to initiate a real estate investment revolution that will increase market liquidity and remove the barriers that prevented ordinary investors from reaping real estate profits in the past.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/real-launches-ico-to-disrupt-global-real-estate-investment-markets/

melissa_sapmaz

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Quote from: ArtcoinMike on August 11, 2017, 08:44:48 AM

Why does this need to be a blockchain project? Firms like fundrise already do this and have much lower expense ratios...

Why blockchain? transparency, liquidity and global access. Read more on https://medium.com/@real_token/the-need-for-real-123d970ba812

Much lower ? No. Much more expensive. Fundrise charges 1% per year on invested amount plus 2% setup fee. REAL charges 0% per year on invested amount and 0% setup fee. REAL just takes a comission of profits, ending up way cheaper.

ArtcoinMike

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Why does this need to be a blockchain project? Firms like fundrise already do this and have much lower expense ratios...

melissa_sapmaz

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Quote from: BLACKCOIN883 on August 11, 2017, 08:14:22 AM

Quote from: melissa_sapmaz on August 08, 2017, 09:26:20 AM

Quote from: BLACKCOIN883 on August 08, 2017, 09:15:19 AM

If for example we invest 1000 real tokens in a property valued at let's say €1 million euros, what will be the monthly income in Ether? Just a rough estimate will do, given the property prices in Spain and the rental income in today's market?

Happy to do the calcs: Considering 1) No token volatility 2) The property is financed 50% with a bank loan. Then average base rental of 7% annual income becomes 14%, minus interests ends up at 12%. We discount the platform 10% and ends up at 10.8% . Considering 1 ETH = 200 EUR aprox. it would look like 0.045 ETH a month, 0.54 ETH a year. That is without considering the value appreciation when the property would be sold, that would give extra profit of another annual 10% aprox.

There would an extra 25% if Real tokens have been acquired with discount. And of course when everything goes exponential is when Real tokens appreciate as well as the properties.

I like it. So it's around 3.64 ETH for 1000 REAL in the first token sale round (the one with 25% bonus). Getting my money back in 6.7 years, and after that it's all profit. And all this ignoring the value appreciation of the property, which let's be honest... you can't really ignore in today's world.

And the Token appreciation :-)

BLACKCOIN883

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Quote from: melissa_sapmaz on August 08, 2017, 09:26:20 AM

Quote from: BLACKCOIN883 on August 08, 2017, 09:15:19 AM

If for example we invest 1000 real tokens in a property valued at let's say €1 million euros, what will be the monthly income in Ether? Just a rough estimate will do, given the property prices in Spain and the rental income in today's market?

Happy to do the calcs: Considering 1) No token volatility 2) The property is financed 50% with a bank loan. Then average base rental of 7% annual income becomes 14%, minus interests ends up at 12%. We discount the platform 10% and ends up at 10.8% . Considering 1 ETH = 200 EUR aprox. it would look like 0.045 ETH a month, 0.54 ETH a year. That is without considering the value appreciation when the property would be sold, that would give extra profit of another annual 10% aprox.

There would an extra 25% if Real tokens have been acquired with discount. And of course when everything goes exponential is when Real tokens appreciate as well as the properties.

I like it. So it's around 3.64 ETH for 1000 REAL in the first token sale round (the one with 25% bonus). Getting my money back in 6.7 years, and after that it's all profit. And all this ignoring the value appreciation of the property, which let's be honest... you can't really ignore in today's world.

melissa_sapmaz

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REAL was selected among +70 ICO companies to pitch in 100XInvestors event

https://100xinvestors.com/sessions/pirates-plank-token-sale-pitch-competition/

It was a great experience!

http://i.imgur.com/zS7qxwC.png

melissa_sapmaz

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Quote from: Drnice on August 11, 2017, 04:29:25 AM

This is a promising project, would love to
participate in the social media campaign, but I only
use Facebook and Twitter, don't have a slack
profile or a telegram profile.
Is it okay to participate in only twitter and
Facebook??

ask in the bounty thread please

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