Topic: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs - page 484. (Read 1260350 times)

OK I admit I am perhaps being dense here.....but have a couple questions....mostly on the advice of "are you out of your mind hosting at home' front:

1) The compensation plan from what I gather is going to be the same for all units bought (GB or direct) thu Sept right?

2) This compensation plan from what you can tell (I am confused on the specs/power spondoolies is basing this on) anyway
    for others who have run the numbers...what exactly will be the price off per gh ...as a value I can use with this (again if correct)
    4.5th vs the old 6th? hash rate? or just a plain off they will be offering approximately such and such % off price paid per compensation?
    If this is unclear I will wait on this but if someone has some rough numbers or % refund ballpark would appreciate you sharing such.

3) Well as a side note in NOT hosting probably the right choice with the 2500 to 3000w increase in power vs new hash rate..that hosting
    price increase would have sucked..but even running at 3000w (on 220v I might add) with a KNC Titan also at 220v and on a 100amp service
    in the house ...perhaps I should also be looking at moving this out the door to someone else if spondoolies is offering xfers in place.to
    others as previously hoped/for? mentioned in this thread?.....ie maybe I'm just plain
    pushing my luck on getting all that heat out /100 amp service (even thou 220v wired 3 circuits) extra 500 watts etc.

Again not slamming anyone....sh*t happens....but with a KNC Titan I'll be looking at about 4,250watts now vs 3750watts now and
the extra cooling (fans) in the basement etc....MAYBE ...I should 'punt' to someone else at this point ...considering I'm looking at
a 4.5th hash rate and my electricity is 0.15kwh here...that with the extra 500 watts of heat and at an extra approx $54 usd/month extra
in electricy costs ...er ...duh ....maybe I should punt this sp30 unit to someone with less issues? again should spondoolies allow
such a punt/switch?

anyway again not a slam ...just looking for legit advice here...the usual you should not mine at home I know about
but come oct/nov I can legit use the heat....and.likely I can this sp30 and  still make a profit etc...(my one disadvantage is
I am a legal miner in USA (bank mess up circumstances..ie outted see previous thread for details..ie don't let your bank mess
up on 9 bank wire xfers and report them all as you....not good.fixed now..but I be a legit miner in usa sigh)
so 25% of mining is called revenue to IRS.sucks to be me....on the other hand I can take equip depreciation for a total towards  
(applied to taxes owed) over few years 25% on equipment ..also I guess that 1100 usd coin I made last fall I could also
sell at a capital loss so to speak I paid taxes on this year...if I choose to play that game...so all in all kinda a wash...sucks thou

again I am probably ok..but just in case any advice welcome ..if you just want to beat me up on choices...sorry I have myself
with my own doubts...friends and family who think bitcoin is a cult and my past guilt of being one of the few to get a full BFL refund..

much angst/much cluelessness

Searing

Letting them vent outside is the best option for these. Serious waste trying to cool them. Power is under .03/kw here and I still would not do it. Equipment costs alone would be unreal.

You must be planning to install a wind tunnel, lol!
And that 200,000 btu's would be the heat that the units are generating - that many units would create enough heat to get a very large room above 40C in only a few minutes.  I question if you would even be able to put 21 of them into a 42U rack without literally cooking the units (unless you're literally in a 100% hot aisle/ cold aisle contained facility that has a huge pressure differential)
What kind of cooling system are you putting in place to dissipate that kind of volume of heat?

Yes, it's crazy to try to cool SP30s with air conditioners. Why add 30% to your power consumption for a few measly degrees lower temperature (but limited airflow volume), especially when those few degrees would likely only improve performance by about 1%?

There's a 10 ton air conditioner in our datacenter right now. We're planning on shutting it off permanently once we finish installing our real cooling system. It will be a drop in the pond then.

I'm surprised there are many data centre's offering to host these.  If they wound up running a total of 60 SP30's in their facility they would require just over 200,000 btus of cooling? That's 50 tons!
That's crazy!!

You really just erode your own credibility by posting transparent rubbish like this. Why would you deliberately compare chip level and device level power consumption, especially when AM isn't even producing mining devices?

I don't understand why you have so much hate for AM. You and Guy seem to like to sink the boot in and goad jimmothy about the lack of dividends at every opportunity. I don't get it, it just makes you guys look childish and/or threatened. What will you start saying if they DO pay divs?

Anyway, this issue isn't as big a clusterfuck as some might have been expecting. These things happen so often, and to their credit, SP-tech are communicating well and honestly - but this is exactly why I'd rather take my money to Vegas and play roulette than tie up my cash in pre-orders.

does anybody know if the groupdeal hosting option in washington is still available?

today is a good day  

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/news/14979953-introducing-the-sp30

It IS the BLUE wire that needs to be cut to allow fans to run full speed.

200+V is still not a requirement, just a hearty recommendation. It is also not a new recommendation.

It will be possible to underclock the SP30s to fit on 15 amp circuits, but you'll lose hashrate. You'll be able to start up the miners while they're running at 1.5 kW per PSU (about 13.6 amps), log in to the web interface, reconfigure it for "quiet mode" or "high efficiency mode" or whatever Zvi Shteingart decides to call it, and commit the changes before your circuit breakers overheat and trip. Remember that the 80% derating is for continuous loads, which are defined as loads that persist at full power for 3 hours or longer. Using about 91% for about 5 minutes should be fine.

You can run the SP30s at nearly full hashrate on two 20 amp 110V circuits, although you'll still be limited by the same PSU heat generation limit as affects the SP10.  

My datacenter (and many others) has all-in rates that are lower than residential rates in much of the USA, and most of the rest of the world too. Even if you have plenty of 110V power and could use it with an SP30 with no performance penalty, you might be better off hosting in an efficient low-cost DC anyway.

Note: I do not have any special source for information at Spondoolies for these statements. I just read everything they post, and, since I'm an electrical engineer, I understand it better than most and can connect the dots (and extrapolate from them when necessary).

made in Israel. .666 watts a hash. coincidence?

But this guy said...

I know it's BS that Roadstress just was trying to pass along a good deal.  You don't troll every single thread convincing people to buy the product from his GB, etc...  I think he should cover some of the refunds for his group purchase.  I think it's bullshit after he trashed every ASIC manufacture that they would be LEAPS and BOUNDS above them (and how their product sucked).  Didn't Cointerra do this too?  At least SP had a good opening product that wasn't pre-order driven.  Obviously there was funding before but looks as if the SP30 was crowd funded on hopes and dreams.

1 TH/s less, worst efficienty than expected... well, at the price i paid it, i'll have free hosting for MONTHS !

https://blockchain.info/tx/58797741e5accf03e99e180056606c1f2a72fed337b7df45c2ad23192c14878d

If hosting were free, it would be a reasonable option. But it isn't free. And it isn't the product that was originally ordered. I have access to plenty of 110V power, but not 220V. 220V was never a requirement for the SP30 until today.

Since it is no longer feasible to run this product in a 110V environment, do you not think it reasonable that Spondoolies offer a full refund option for those affected by this new limitation?

Its a shame that it ends this way.

The attitude of 'some' of these self appointed 'front/middlemen' makes it infuriating when things go wrong.

All the pressure sale tactics, broken promises and veiled threats only wind us up more. Not to mention the disgusting shilling elsewhere!

If anything i think roadstress should be focusing on what he can do for the community , NOT what he can squeeze out of us while remaining 'guilt free'

'its not 'my' fault you're all fucked'


Many thanks to the SPTech team otherwise, still intrigued to see what these 4.5TH/s rigs ACTUALLY deliver once plugged into our sockets..(+/-5%)

4.4?

4.1?

3.9?

& 3000w ffs!      EACH!!

hardhouseinc. Has agreed to give me his spot in for early August deliver. I would like for you to confirm the following with SP Tech:

1.Can they allow an order to be transferred
2.Once the order is transferred will I get the same compensation that all the other group buy members will be rewarded
3.What are the complete compensation terms
3.Lets make this happen so hardhouseinc can be happy
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@BitcoinPappi -

Let me know what you find out by PM from either RoadStress or SP-Tech.  
Im done following or posting in this thread.  When you get word let me know and Ill
send you the order number to work with them to transfer to you.


This is the last and final time I get burned by an ASIC manufacturer falling short ever again.
The guarantee I got from RoadStress was also as good as every other promise I got ever related to
BTC and its always the small buyer who gets the short end of the deal in the long run every time.

****
I think Guy and SP-Tech is a standup business, their SP10 was GREAT, but when promises are made and you hide
behind the no refund policy because we took your BTC and you cant make us pay it back, is a policy that
NEEDS TO END TODAY!!!
****

No other type of company IN THE WORLD can get away with sales like that.  Why, because 99% of them
work with CC sales and they know that if they screw you, you can go back to the CC company and force
a refund by issuing a charge cancellation or charge back.

The ASIC manufacturers are STILL hiding behind the BTC payment only, no refund policy because they
know there is a GOOD chance they will fall short and people will ask for refunds.
It works out better for them to calculate a partial refund / interest free loan / that works for them and
not you.

This is the last time I ever order any ASIC gear EVER.  Its just the last staw for me.
Thanks for the ride, it was fun while it lasted.

4.5 TH/s running at today's difficulty and btc price would produce about $2078 per month.

3 kW in my DC will cost $210 to $270/month, depending on payment terms, and there are other companies who are offering rates that are nearly as good.

You can still make a decent profit, even at 3 kW and 4.5 TH/s. Chill out. As far as I know, the July/August/September SP30 will still be both the most efficient and powerful miner available when it ships.

Engineering is hard. Things go wrong, and (frustratingly) it's not even always your fault. I'd like to say to Guy and the rest of the Spondoolies crew that I think you've handled this issue in a professional manner so far, and I am grateful for that. I recognize that compensation for the lost hashrate is one thing (which SP-Tech is offering), and compensation for the lost efficiency is another (which SP-Tech is not offering). I think that compensation for the lost hashrate is meeting us customers more than halfway, and I am content with that as a compromise. The machines underperform, and someone has to eat the difference. Apparently it's not going to be TSMC, and Spondoolies has volunteered to eat most of the difference. I'm willing to finish my plate.

so 4500gh at 3000 watts

okay that is .666 watts a hash .

my s-3's do 430 gh at 328 watts that is  .763 watts a hash.


lets see some paid 4500 usd some paid 5000 usd.

for 4570 usd I  get   7.8  btc that is 12 s-3's .

I need  4 psu's  to run 12  s-3's

4 evga's 1300 = 680

so I need 5250 usd for 12 x 440 gh = 5280 gh and 3936 watts - s-3's

5000 usd for 1x 4.5th and  and 3000 watts = s-3

while it is sad that the sp30 is short. it is close to equal to buying s-3.s .  

maybe just a bit better if you paid 4500 and get the sp30 before the 2nd of aug.