Keeping other details under NDA isn't uncommon, but prices are NOT normally an NDA type piece of information.
As far as those speculating on a "SP40" or similar - as I recall SPT has already said it's not happening, they've shifted to making miners for their own datacenters and large customers (or words to that effect).
Topic: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs - page 52. (Read 1260223 times)
October 01, 2015, 04:37:47 AM
October 01, 2015, 03:36:04 AM
Emotive response noted. Since we have no choice here; lets wait and see.
September 30, 2015, 08:14:14 PM
Recoup is necessary with this gear; the case / psu's alone cost ~10k.
You will NOT see a 25k SP50 anytime soon.
Why do you think an NDA is required? If the pricing was competitive it would be public.
50k with 5 MOQ; 40k with 20 MOQ is an "estimate" for SP50 costs and MOQ.
SP40 ~11 TH in a 3U case only if USD/BTC exchange rate exceeds $300 and remains so for 1 week.
You will NOT see a 25k SP50 anytime soon.
Why do you think an NDA is required? If the pricing was competitive it would be public.
50k with 5 MOQ; 40k with 20 MOQ is an "estimate" for SP50 costs and MOQ.
SP40 ~11 TH in a 3U case only if USD/BTC exchange rate exceeds $300 and remains so for 1 week.
I tend to agree with much of what you posted. I am however perplexed by the "NDA for Price/Date" information. Assuming you are correct, what's the motivation? How does that help Spondoolies, or the signer of the NDA? Is this not really intended for potential customers, but perhaps investors?
This feels a bit like the SFARDS "announcement", but never answered any of relevant questions for price or date included.
My point is that if the SP50 pricing was competitive it would have been included in the announcement.
This is like bluffing in poker. If I am about to buy 22x or more S7 and then SPT says they have a superior product I will be significantly less likely to buy the S7's. Even if I bother to contact SPT, wait for them to respond, and sign an NDA; only to finally laugh at the SP50 price: SPT has still delayed my purchase from their competitor.
My guess is that the SP50 is only really intended for internal mining, and announcing it like they did was to stall for time while they get the SP40 ready / deploy their own SP50's with less S7 hashrate resistance.
I would be willing to pay 4k for an 11 TH SP40 if it is released soon; but my guess is it would cost ~5k so let's hope for a USD / BTC pump and maybe we will see an SP40.
Are you serious, do you work or have any experience in vertical industries, it's very common and not a read on weather it's competitive or not..
September 30, 2015, 01:23:43 PM
Recoup is necessary with this gear; the case / psu's alone cost ~10k.
You will NOT see a 25k SP50 anytime soon.
Why do you think an NDA is required? If the pricing was competitive it would be public.
50k with 5 MOQ; 40k with 20 MOQ is an "estimate" for SP50 costs and MOQ.
SP40 ~11 TH in a 3U case only if USD/BTC exchange rate exceeds $300 and remains so for 1 week.
You will NOT see a 25k SP50 anytime soon.
Why do you think an NDA is required? If the pricing was competitive it would be public.
50k with 5 MOQ; 40k with 20 MOQ is an "estimate" for SP50 costs and MOQ.
SP40 ~11 TH in a 3U case only if USD/BTC exchange rate exceeds $300 and remains so for 1 week.
I tend to agree with much of what you posted. I am however perplexed by the "NDA for Price/Date" information. Assuming you are correct, what's the motivation? How does that help Spondoolies, or the signer of the NDA? Is this not really intended for potential customers, but perhaps investors?
This feels a bit like the SFARDS "announcement", but never answered any of relevant questions for price or date included.
My point is that if the SP50 pricing was competitive it would have been included in the announcement.
This is like bluffing in poker. If I am about to buy 22x or more S7 and then SPT says they have a superior product I will be significantly less likely to buy the S7's. Even if I bother to contact SPT, wait for them to respond, and sign an NDA; only to finally laugh at the SP50 price: SPT has still delayed my purchase from their competitor.
My guess is that the SP50 is only really intended for internal mining, and announcing it like they did was to stall for time while they get the SP40 ready / deploy their own SP50's with less S7 hashrate resistance.
I would be willing to pay 4k for an 11 TH SP40 if it is released soon; but my guess is it would cost ~5k so let's hope for a USD / BTC pump and maybe we will see an SP40.
September 30, 2015, 12:28:34 PM
Recoup is necessary with this gear; the case / psu's alone cost ~10k.
You will NOT see a 25k SP50 anytime soon.
Why do you think an NDA is required? If the pricing was competitive it would be public.
50k with 5 MOQ; 40k with 20 MOQ is an "estimate" for SP50 costs and MOQ.
SP40 ~11 TH in a 3U case only if USD/BTC exchange rate exceeds $300 and remains so for 1 week.
You will NOT see a 25k SP50 anytime soon.
Why do you think an NDA is required? If the pricing was competitive it would be public.
50k with 5 MOQ; 40k with 20 MOQ is an "estimate" for SP50 costs and MOQ.
SP40 ~11 TH in a 3U case only if USD/BTC exchange rate exceeds $300 and remains so for 1 week.
I tend to agree with much of what you posted. I am however perplexed by the "NDA for Price/Date" information. Assuming you are correct, what's the motivation? How does that help Spondoolies, or the signer of the NDA? Is this not really intended for potential customers, but perhaps investors?
This feels a bit like the SFARDS "announcement", but never answered any of relevant questions for price or date included.
Depending on what your are doing NDA's are pretty common with mining companies. Each one want's to know the others progress, price, etc. So if you were a big buyer and they gave you more information then is public a NDA would not surprise me at all.
So basically it helps SP keep their information secret. The signer gets more confidential information by signing. There are a lot of variables in NDA's though so it's hard to say on a lot about it.
September 30, 2015, 12:16:24 PM
Recoup is necessary with this gear; the case / psu's alone cost ~10k.
You will NOT see a 25k SP50 anytime soon.
Why do you think an NDA is required? If the pricing was competitive it would be public.
50k with 5 MOQ; 40k with 20 MOQ is an "estimate" for SP50 costs and MOQ.
SP40 ~11 TH in a 3U case only if USD/BTC exchange rate exceeds $300 and remains so for 1 week.
You will NOT see a 25k SP50 anytime soon.
Why do you think an NDA is required? If the pricing was competitive it would be public.
50k with 5 MOQ; 40k with 20 MOQ is an "estimate" for SP50 costs and MOQ.
SP40 ~11 TH in a 3U case only if USD/BTC exchange rate exceeds $300 and remains so for 1 week.
I tend to agree with much of what you posted. I am however perplexed by the "NDA for Price/Date" information. Assuming you are correct, what's the motivation? How does that help Spondoolies, or the signer of the NDA? Is this not really intended for potential customers, but perhaps investors?
This feels a bit like the SFARDS "announcement", but never answered any of relevant questions for price or date included.
September 30, 2015, 12:04:00 PM
Recoup is necessary with this gear; the case / psu's alone cost ~10k.
You will NOT see a 25k SP50 anytime soon.
Why do you think an NDA is required? If the pricing was competitive it would be public.
50k with 5 MOQ; 40k with 20 MOQ is an "estimate" for SP50 costs and MOQ.
SP40 ~11 TH in a 3U case only if USD/BTC exchange rate exceeds $300 and remains so for 1 week.
You will NOT see a 25k SP50 anytime soon.
Why do you think an NDA is required? If the pricing was competitive it would be public.
50k with 5 MOQ; 40k with 20 MOQ is an "estimate" for SP50 costs and MOQ.
SP40 ~11 TH in a 3U case only if USD/BTC exchange rate exceeds $300 and remains so for 1 week.
September 30, 2015, 11:47:57 AM
Read btcs news from sept 28. They had to lease their own (SPT) equipment. I am not sure about the rationale for it.
eventually, they will probably have to either borrow money or do a preorder to start producing these units in bulk.
Called it 7 months ago when they demanded they get a "does not use preorders" rating.eventually, they will probably have to either borrow money or do a preorder to start producing these units in bulk.
- We don't rely on pre-order for our next gen. I can't even begin to count the number of times I've said it. It's not our main business model. I even took the time to explain to you our business model for our next gen. Yet, you keep claiming that "you continue to do as your main business model". This is simply a lie and you know it.
Can you afford generation 3 without selling preorders, raising millions of $ or using 'investment' orders? Its a simple yes or no.
If you're asking if we can afford our entire gen3 planned capacity without injecting more funds via additional investment or pre-selling mining capacity to accredited investors, the answer is no.
The same goes for every other company in the space.
For the last time, since you seems to have difficulties in understanding: we'll not sell our gen3 products to consumers without proving the technology first. Afterwards, we might, but then it won't be pre-ordering. It might be selling by batches.
So tldr your current business model / situation can not support generation 3 without preordering (/ preordering under another name) or some miracle investment. Under no circumstances could those statements EVER qualify you for running a business model that can get by selling purely out of hand.
The way i see it-situation might have changed or NOT.
I am simply calmly discussing what various moves mean, not passing judgment on what was said before.
Spondoolies did take good care of their customers like myself-I have nothing to complain about.
September 30, 2015, 11:43:33 AM
The SP50 would need to price in the range of 120-150BTC to compete
Surely you mean 80-90?
No way. Bitmain is selling 0.25w/gh at about 1.4btc/th.
This is 0.15w/gh and includes power supplies, but also a 'bulk priced' device, so i would expect 1.2-1.6btc/th.
That said, I'm not buying any hardware until my bitcoins are worth at least $300 again. Otherwise you will never earn back the btc you spend (like buying hardware with $100 bitcoins in mid-2013)
Agreed, especially with halving upon us - I fear the halving of profits of these large mining farms owned by asic manufacturers will try to be recouped by yet more ridiculous prices for mining gear, effectively killing the market & handing them the monopoly.
September 30, 2015, 11:30:33 AM
Read btcs news from sept 28. They had to lease their own (SPT) equipment. I am not sure about the rationale for it.
eventually, they will probably have to either borrow money or do a preorder to start producing these units in bulk.
Called it 7 months ago when they demanded they get a "does not use preorders" rating.eventually, they will probably have to either borrow money or do a preorder to start producing these units in bulk.
- We don't rely on pre-order for our next gen. I can't even begin to count the number of times I've said it. It's not our main business model. I even took the time to explain to you our business model for our next gen. Yet, you keep claiming that "you continue to do as your main business model". This is simply a lie and you know it.
Can you afford generation 3 without selling preorders, raising millions of $ or using 'investment' orders? Its a simple yes or no.
If you're asking if we can afford our entire gen3 planned capacity without injecting more funds via additional investment or pre-selling mining capacity to accredited investors, the answer is no.
The same goes for every other company in the space.
For the last time, since you seems to have difficulties in understanding: we'll not sell our gen3 products to consumers without proving the technology first. Afterwards, we might, but then it won't be pre-ordering. It might be selling by batches.
So tldr your current business model / situation can not support generation 3 without preordering (/ preordering under another name) or some miracle investment. Under no circumstances could those statements EVER qualify you for running a business model that can get by selling purely out of hand.
September 30, 2015, 11:27:04 AM
The SP50 would need to price in the range of 120-150BTC to compete
Surely you mean 80-90?
No way. Bitmain is selling 0.25w/gh at about 1.4btc/th.
This is 0.15w/gh and includes power supplies, but also a 'bulk priced' device, so i would expect 1.2-1.6btc/th.
That said, I'm not buying any hardware until my bitcoins are worth at least $300 again. Otherwise you will never earn back the btc you spend (like buying hardware with $100 bitcoins in mid-2013)
September 30, 2015, 11:15:10 AM
still no word on the prices?
nope not yet. All silent on the front
Looks to me like Bitmain reduced to some extent the top possible price, since they lowered the price of Batch 2 & 3 of the S7. Spondoolies would seem to have less room to maneuver now in terms of price (IMHO).
this. The SP50 would need to price in the range of 120-150BTC to compete
30K max realistically, but 25K is optimal.
If you haven't noticed, BITMAIN adjusted its pricing for batch 3 S7's in relation to the time before block halving more than the difficulty. Batch 3 S7's are at $1,658 instead of $1,823. Each month that passes by before the block halving apparently is affecting the price of their rigs with the price of bitcoin virtually unchanged.
So, if Spondooliestech does not want to miss the boat for selling the SP50 with optimal returns, they might want to have them up for sell relatively soon.
It will be interesting to see how the block halving affects the pricing of rigs [If at all] as it approaches.
Read btcs news from sept 28. They had to lease their own (SPT) equipment. I am not sure about the rationale for it.
eventually, they will probably have to either borrow money or do a preorder to start producing these units in bulk.
All money has a cost, I suspect they have favorable terms so it provided a good opportunity for funding, no more and no less confusing than other funding options, if the terms are good it's a good move..
September 30, 2015, 11:13:29 AM
Read btcs news from sept 28. They had to lease their own (SPT) equipment. I am not sure about the rationale for it.
eventually, they will probably have to either borrow money or do a preorder to start producing these units in bulk.
eventually, they will probably have to either borrow money or do a preorder to start producing these units in bulk.
This will be quite interesting indeed. I'm not sure how this will work out for SPT by not revealing a price chart with varying prices based on quantity ordered. Doing it the way they are doing it puts them in a negotiation mode with each potential buyer. It would be considerate if they would at least tell us how many SP50's would have to be ordered to be considered a "bulk" order.
It may very well come to pass that they sell very few [If any at all] with the block halving approaching. Potential buyers will be asked to commit to a large deposit [At a minimum] up front without knowing a ship date that's written in stone. Anyone who orders these rigs in bulk [Paying a lot of money up front] should at least have it written in a contract for the price they negotiate to be reduced a certain percentage for each day past the projected ship date to compensate loss of revenue towards ROI before the block halving. However, there could be a gain in revenue because no one really knows what the price of bitcoin will be by the time the blocks halve.
September 30, 2015, 11:13:06 AM
still no word on the prices?
nope not yet. All silent on the front
so my friend has to sign a NDA before they reveal the prices and MOQ. wow.
That's a pretty useless. If you tell 100 customers the price and MOQ under NDA, you can't even begin to prove which one leaked it, or if staff leaked it, or an email leaked etc etc.
September 30, 2015, 11:03:23 AM
If you haven't noticed, BITMAIN adjusted its pricing for batch 3 S7's in relation to the time before block halving more than the difficulty. Batch 3 S7's are at $1,658 instead of $1,823. Each month that passes by before the block halving apparently is affecting the price of their rigs with the price of bitcoin virtually unchanged.
So, if Spondooliestech does not want to miss the boat for selling the SP50 with optimal returns, they might want to have them up for sell relatively soon.
It will be interesting to see how the block halving affects the pricing of rigs [If at all] as it approaches.
Read btcs news from sept 28. They had to lease their own (SPT) equipment. I am not sure about the rationale for it.
eventually, they will probably have to either borrow money or do a preorder to start producing these units in bulk.
I don't think they plan to produce them in "bulk". They are only selling to specific customers, I'm guessing they may build to order based on the demand from the customers they plan to sell to. Or at least it will be a limited build quantity based on their projected sales. I don't think they plan to have a large stock of these units sitting around for the reasons surrounding the upcoming halving.
September 30, 2015, 10:57:00 AM
still no word on the prices?
nope not yet. All silent on the front
Looks to me like Bitmain reduced to some extent the top possible price, since they lowered the price of Batch 2 & 3 of the S7. Spondoolies would seem to have less room to maneuver now in terms of price (IMHO).
this. The SP50 would need to price in the range of 120-150BTC to compete
30K max realistically, but 25K is optimal.
If you haven't noticed, BITMAIN adjusted its pricing for batch 3 S7's in relation to the time before block halving more than the difficulty. Batch 3 S7's are at $1,658 instead of $1,823. Each month that passes by before the block halving apparently is affecting the price of their rigs with the price of bitcoin virtually unchanged.
So, if Spondooliestech does not want to miss the boat for selling the SP50 with optimal returns, they might want to have them up for sell relatively soon.
It will be interesting to see how the block halving affects the pricing of rigs [If at all] as it approaches.
Read btcs news from sept 28. They had to lease their own (SPT) equipment. I am not sure about the rationale for it.
eventually, they will probably have to either borrow money or do a preorder to start producing these units in bulk.
September 30, 2015, 10:38:58 AM
still no word on the prices?
nope not yet. All silent on the front
Looks to me like Bitmain reduced to some extent the top possible price, since they lowered the price of Batch 2 & 3 of the S7. Spondoolies would seem to have less room to maneuver now in terms of price (IMHO).
this. The SP50 would need to price in the range of 120-150BTC to compete
30K max realistically, but 25K is optimal.
If you haven't noticed, BITMAIN adjusted its pricing for batch 3 S7's in relation to the time before block halving more than the difficulty. Batch 3 S7's are at $1,658 instead of $1,823. Each month that passes by before the block halving apparently is affecting the price of their rigs with the price of bitcoin virtually unchanged.
So, if Spondooliestech does not want to miss the boat for selling the SP50 with optimal returns, they might want to have them up for sell relatively soon.
It will be interesting to see how the block halving affects the pricing of rigs [If at all] as it approaches.
September 30, 2015, 08:48:52 AM
still no word on the prices?
nope not yet. All silent on the front
Looks to me like Bitmain reduced to some extent the top possible price, since they lowered the price of Batch 2 & 3 of the S7. Spondoolies would seem to have less room to maneuver now in terms of price (IMHO).
this. The SP50 would need to price in the range of 120-150BTC to compete
30K max realistically, but 25K is optimal.
September 30, 2015, 08:44:32 AM
still no word on the prices?
nope not yet. All silent on the front
so my friend has to sign a NDA before they reveal the prices and MOQ. wow.
September 30, 2015, 06:36:17 AM
The SP50 would need to price in the range of 120-150BTC to compete
Surely you mean 80-90?
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