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Topic: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs - page 47. (Read 1260389 times)

legendary
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Mine Mine Mine
little birdie says . . . between 40-43K USD . . . MOQ . . . around 15 units . . . Delivery around March 2016

SP50 is on Rigwarz now. Price is: $34,495.00  (EDIT: Listed price is speculated based on vendors other products.)

 http://www.rigwarz.com/

"Listed price is speculated based on vendors other products"

i feel the site is not so reliable though .... but we shall see & it's SPECULATED

ah the cannons are here heh mr newbie, no i do not look down on others or newbies (all of us were there once) but ... there's always an exception.

back to topic os SP 50 & SPT ... btcs or promos can go and non related discussion . . .

OP any comments or hints ? future of SPT, etc etc ?
legendary
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BTCS Great Company, SP makes the Best miners on the Face of the Earth.
As for as your comment on Newbie. Do you always underestimate others?
 

With SP you mean   SpondooLIES-TECH ?
legendary
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BTCS stock is a Great Buy right now check out the REDCHIP.com video on BTCS

http://www.redchip.com/company/technology/BTCS/217/bitcoin

And while we're at it, I'm sure you'll tell us of a great Altcoin that's about to explode too?  Roll Eyes
grn
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little birdie says . . . between 40-43K USD . . . MOQ . . . around 15 units . . . Delivery around March 2016

I think your little Birdie is off on Price and Units and Time Frame. Just a helpful Hint.
I am sure the guys at BTCS will post a Video of them running.

BTCS stock is a Great Buy right now check out the REDCHIP.com video on BTCS

http://www.redchip.com/company/technology/BTCS/217/bitcoin

How are the fundamentals? I dont even see a hint of profit........EVER, liabilities seem to outweigh assets by a few million metric tonnes
newbie
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little birdie says . . . between 40-43K USD . . . MOQ . . . around 15 units . . . Delivery around March 2016

I think your little Birdie is off on Price and Units and Time Frame. Just a helpful Hint.
I am sure the guys at BTCS will post a Video of them running.

BTCS stock is a Great Buy right now check out the REDCHIP.com video on BTCS

http://www.redchip.com/company/technology/BTCS/217/bitcoin

newbie with a couple of post & a "strong" supporter/pusher for btcs ... hmmmm

let's see how helpful or accurate your hint is but i'm sure my birdie is pretty spot on.

just a waiting game atm eventually the actual #'s will pop out.

from the way i see it, sp is on the losing side atm due to availability of miner, nda, unknown pricing, moq, etc etc

no doubt sp makes good miners but well again ... let's see

BTCS Great Company, SP makes the Best miners on the Face of the Earth.
As for as your comment on Newbie. Do you always underestimate others?
 
sr. member
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little birdie says . . . between 40-43K USD . . . MOQ . . . around 15 units . . . Delivery around March 2016

SP50 is on Rigwarz now. Price is: $34,495.00  (EDIT: Listed price is speculated based on vendors other products.)

 http://www.rigwarz.com/

That's a more realistic price, but I'd still like to see it lower of course.

I can't believe rigwarz actually list the Uranus......they might as well of put a pic of the tooth fairy up with it  Cheesy

Hashcoins  Roll Eyes
hero member
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little birdie says . . . between 40-43K USD . . . MOQ . . . around 15 units . . . Delivery around March 2016

SP50 is on Rigwarz now. Price is: $34,495.00  (EDIT: Listed price is speculated based on vendors other products.)

 http://www.rigwarz.com/
legendary
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Mine Mine Mine
little birdie says . . . between 40-43K USD . . . MOQ . . . around 15 units . . . Delivery around March 2016

I think your little Birdie is off on Price and Units and Time Frame. Just a helpful Hint.
I am sure the guys at BTCS will post a Video of them running.

BTCS stock is a Great Buy right now check out the REDCHIP.com video on BTCS

http://www.redchip.com/company/technology/BTCS/217/bitcoin

newbie with a couple of post & a "strong" supporter/pusher for btcs ... hmmmm

let's see how helpful or accurate your hint is but i'm sure my birdie is pretty spot on.

just a waiting game atm eventually the actual #'s will pop out.

from the way i see it, sp is on the losing side atm due to availability of miner, nda, unknown pricing, moq, etc etc

no doubt sp makes good miners but well again ... let's see
newbie
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little birdie says . . . between 40-43K USD . . . MOQ . . . around 15 units . . . Delivery around March 2016

I think your little Birdie is off on Price and Units and Time Frame. Just a helpful Hint.
I am sure the guys at BTCS will post a Video of them running.

BTCS stock is a Great Buy right now check out the REDCHIP.com video on BTCS

http://www.redchip.com/company/technology/BTCS/217/bitcoin
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
little birdie says . . . between 40-43K USD . . . MOQ . . . around 15 units . . . Delivery around March 2016

So.... $377/TH with a 5 month leadtime (inc PSUs). S7 is $340/TH with a <1 month (no PSUs).

The lead time is a killer, but tit for tat the SP50 is a much better solution for large scale farms.

Yeah, only 4 months before the estimated halving.
legendary
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little birdie says . . . between 40-43K USD . . . MOQ . . . around 15 units . . . Delivery around March 2016

So.... $377/TH with a 5 month leadtime (inc PSUs). S7 is $340/TH with a <1 month (no PSUs).

The lead time is a killer, but tit for tat the SP50 is a much better solution for large scale farms.
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
little birdie says . . . between 40-43K USD . . . MOQ . . . around 15 units . . . Delivery around March 2016

So.... $377/TH with a 5 month leadtime (inc PSUs). S7 is $340/TH with a <1 month (no PSUs).
hero member
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=905210.msg
I think we had a survey of failed SP-tech kit that showed failures were extremely rare. They occur, sure but its not like you can just say the above dogie without a caveat.
That wasn't a real survey or any measure of failed equipment, that was Guy paying for a list of frilly questions like:
  • Is the most trusted?
  • Has the best firmware?
  • Has the best support?
  • Cares most about its customers? [lol]
  • Is the most professional and pays its debts?
  • Would you buy from next
  • Gives value for money
  • Hardware performs to your satisfaction

Other reasons why don't get as many failed reports as you otherwise would:
  • When you have a problem you email Zvi, who emails internally to order a replacement. There is just no fixing those things once they go bad so no point posting.
  • 20-40x less individual customers than Bitmain (which you're comparing them to) so even with the same failure rate you get 20-40x fewer reports.


Who did Guy pay for this?

He gave a 2 btc gift to wiki in my name for the survey Dogie mentioned.

I did do a few failed equipment surveys later (my dime my time)   and sp-tech  440 sp20's was about  working and under 20 failed .  corrected below


 I could find that link to it:



this is the follow up survey final numbers

 "so of the 313  looks like 291 still run  and 22 needed parts from sp-tech or run a bit less then then should or are dead"



https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11769009

My opinion of the sp20 is it was okay it was really a 900 to 1300 gh miner.

It should of had a controller save.  The s-5 could double up and do 4 boards.

The s-7 can do 9 boards.

My biggest fear of an sp50 is a dead controller = 110th offline = bad

As you are one of the most respected reviewers on this forum I do not believe any of the survey's were biased or based on inaccurate information. Nor do I think you made the questions to suit Guy. I think you have too much integrity to do so. Not to mention I do not think guy wanted anything but real world results.

I agree they should not have marketed the SP20 as a 1.7 TH unit. It was not in that neighborhood.

My remaining SP20s are running around 1.1 TH. I'd had them around 750 until the recent price pop. The worst thing to ever happen is on a power loss it sometimes takes one particular unit a bit longer to give me the gui. Two I purchased in the Christmas group buy and two from an outstanding forum reviewer were pushed extremely hard when I first received them because I want to know if I am going to have a problem.

I remember hearing from so many people about how pissed they were when the SP20 went out of stock. They were about to order more, and I myself was ready to pickup another nano farm, but I learned a valuable lesson in bitcoin mining.

As far as the quality of the product I think it was and still is a great, well-engineered, flexible miner. The operating life is still going strong due to caring about the end user ability to downclock.

As far as ethics, morals, and values, Guy and the SP team were straight up regarding what they intended to do, and that is what they have done. They are doing what most people here have asked why they weren't already doing, which why does a manufacturer sell to the public if they can mine for themselves? I have seen way more than a few respected forum members use this verbiage when explaining a scam to nubs or cloud mining. Granted there are some good reasons to sell to the public. I appreciated the honesty, but I don't think we have seen the last of SPT gear in our homes.

Unfortunately SPT are doing what other major manufacturers have done before them by going b2b and MOQ only and anyone reading back through this thread from January of this year can see how many people were scrambling to buy more of their gear.

Phil. thanks for your time spent, your candid opinions, and unbiased approach. When someone applies the same methods to their review style it lets us the readers know we are getting facts and you aren't swayed with money, coin, or free products to say something which isn't true.

When I initially purchased my S5+ I saw the single point of failure you mention regarding the SP50. Later I learned the modules were compatible with S7, even S5, etc. It is great to have that feature. Regarding the SP50 have you been privy to some information you can share regarding the control board / structure when you state they cannot do the same? Because I would agree, as someone who would love to have a single SP50 today, I would also want spare parts. I think if we look at the situation through SPT eyes they are going for situations where someone will purchase 15 and more, and in that vein it begins to be more reasonable to have an extra control board, hash board, etc. I see your point when looking at the situation through the eyes of a home miner, but in a real business it is the responsibility of the end user to have spare parts.

When people ask me what spare parts they should have so there is zero downtime (when they purchase my equipment) Jokingly I respond that they should have a full second machine. Seriously I have a list of the most common parts for my top tier customers who are the John Deere, Hitachi, Caterpillar and I have a list for the small mom and pop facilities who I know through asking them are not in a position to spend an additional 200k on top of the 500k they just financed. My point though is that we do what we can to engineer versatility and interchangeable items, we do everything possible to make it easy for the end user to pickup parts locally so they may stay running, but at the end of the day it is their responsibility to have those spare parts and unfortunately if we designed a fallback for every major component / situation we would price ourselves out of the market. Redundancy is a top priority.

Some people can afford to be down for a couple of days and do not even order parts to be sent overnight. If they are under warranty we cover the freight and send it overnight. We also guarantee to have a person onsite anywhere in the US within 24 hours or less, and intercontinental is generally a 48 hour guarantee, but there have been situations where we negotiate 72 hours because even in these modern times some places can be a bit unrealistic when it comes to travel.

If you look at what SPT have openly stated their business model is going forward, the results of your surveys, and the comments on the forum when SPT were selling to home miners, there should not be any question they held the title for best overall mining experience.

If we add in everything that has been developed since then I don't know if we are giving things a fair shot. I recall most of the respected forum reviewers giving SPT the top mining manufacturer title, even to the point of when they told us they'd lost money selling home miners people said it was because they had built such a quality product they priced themselves into that situation.

I think it is easy to come back now and bend the facts a bit, not saying you did Phil, but in general, say someone did have an obvious vendetta or reason to throw mud. Well, it is easy to do so, we have seen 3 or 4 models released this year from bitmain? It hasn't been the area where SPT have been working since the SP20 release. That is a great deal of time in the engineering world and I am speculating when I say the SP50 is a product made for a real business, they shared the intention of doing such, and they did it. From that perspective I don't see how anyone could say anything negative at all.

Personally I still wish SPT were making home miners and I wish we had a real competition going on, but unfortunately the land is ruled by one at this time as far as we as home miners can be concerned.
 
When making the decision to purchase something for my home versus business I expect to deal with a completely different list of requirements and quality. I also usually pay a great deal more for those things. When speculating about the SP50 I believe we must expect  to see a much higher level of quality, redundancy, and support in various forms. The SP50 specifications look bad to us as home users because we see 110TH with a single point of failure, or what are you going to do when you are done with it, but from a business perspective you would be looking at the density because floor space isn't cheap in a facility with the right power, you look at uptime forecasts, you evaluate how many you can fit in your facility, how quickly you can get replacement parts, you expect downtime and allott for it in your model, you evaluate the support structure, skype, phone calls, times it is simply a completely different outlook. It is professional. If reselling the unit must be done for a real business to make profits then you are not going to find many real businessmen interested. Keeping a graveyard of parts and old models is great to help yourself or provide your end users with more support options but a real business plan does not revolve around such.

The people purchasing 30 - 50 or more SP50s have a quite different list of expectations and I believe we should all consider such when evaluating the product versus maintaining our tunnel vision of the home miner. The SP50 or some variant is a / the future of mining and we will be required to adapt to it to stay in the game on a serious level. I am not looking forward to more light bulbs and 21s version of a revolutionary product. I love playing with my compacs and can't wait to see the pods, but when we are talking serious hashrate I want to see 10TH on 240 v as a minimum and noise is not a factor. SPT developed a product with a completely different end user in mind.
legendary
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Mine Mine Mine
little birdie says . . . between 40-43K USD . . . MOQ . . . around 15 units . . . Delivery around March 2016
legendary
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I think we had a survey of failed SP-tech kit that showed failures were extremely rare. They occur, sure but its not like you can just say the above dogie without a caveat.
That wasn't a real survey or any measure of failed equipment, that was Guy paying for a list of frilly questions like:
  • Is the most trusted?
  • Has the best firmware?
  • Has the best support?
  • Cares most about its customers? [lol]
  • Is the most professional and pays its debts?
  • Would you buy from next
  • Gives value for money
  • Hardware performs to your satisfaction

Other reasons why don't get as many failed reports as you otherwise would:
  • When you have a problem you email Zvi, who emails internally to order a replacement. There is just no fixing those things once they go bad so no point posting.
  • 20-40x less individual customers than Bitmain (which you're comparing them to) so even with the same failure rate you get 20-40x fewer reports.


Who did Guy pay for this?

He gave a 2 btc gift to wiki in my name for the survey Dogie mentioned.

I did do a few failed equipment surveys later (my dime my time)   and sp-tech  440 sp20's was about  working and under 20 failed .  corrected below


 I could find that link to it:



this is the follow up survey final numbers

 "so of the 313  looks like 291 still run  and 22 needed parts from sp-tech or run a bit less then then should or are dead"



https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11769009

My opinion of the sp20 is it was okay it was really a 900 to 1300 gh miner.

It should of had a controller save.  The s-5 could double up and do 4 boards.

The s-7 can do 9 boards.

My biggest fear of an sp50 is a dead controller = 110th offline = bad
hero member
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Thx Biodom. I'm going by the readout on the main screen when I open the miner interface in my browser.

EDIT: I see the chip temperature on the Asic Stats page. I get what you mean.
legendary
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I just got hold of an used SP31. It's running nice....but gets as hot as 70 C. I have been able to keep it around 65 - 66.

 How hot is too hot for this rig?

do you mean exhaust temp or chip temp?
chip temp are absolutely fine until 115C. At 120C they give you a warning (turning yellow) and at 125 they throttle back.
hero member
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I just got hold of an used SP31. It's running nice....but gets as hot as 70 C. I have been able to keep it around 65 - 66.

 How hot is too hot for this rig?
sr. member
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It's like Ferrari where many of their models are only available for purchase by Ferrari owners that the company personally invites to buy one of their cars.

Random-anecdote: Someone I work with was banned by Ferrari from ever buying their vehicles again, because he kept modifying them. Super funny.

The worrying thing is, if the TPP ever gets passed as law, this will be standard procedure. Nobody will be able to mess with anything they own & paid for!

Scary.
legendary
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Christian Antkow
It's like Ferrari where many of their models are only available for purchase by Ferrari owners that the company personally invites to buy one of their cars.

Random-anecdote: Someone I work with was banned by Ferrari from ever buying their vehicles again, because he kept modifying them. Super funny.
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